The Return Trip With DD: Non Sugar Coated Version

jennymouse

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Cast of Characters:

Jessica: My 32yo daughter, surgical tech and mother to my two grand daughters.

Skye: My 11yo grand daughter who loves animals and WDW. Has been to Disney several times and loves the thrill rides.

Haley: My 2yo grand daughter. Loves dolls and coloring, a girly girl soon to be princesses wanna be. 1st trip to WDW.

Me: Trip planner, financier, DVC owner at BCV, and babysitter when not working.

I posted a trip report three or four years ago detailing my trip from hell with Jess. It was awful and I swore at the time I’d never take her back. But, although I haven’t forgotten how hurt I was over that trip, I have forgiven and life must go on. Besides, I needed someone to do the thrill rides with Skye since Haley couldn’t go on them. Oh, and Jessica is on good crazy pills now and not nearly as mean as she used to be. Okay. I’m on good crazy pills too. There it’s out. As Zzub would say, don’t judge me.

This was to be a short trip for a few reasons. Like I said, I haven’t forgotten the last trip with Jess yet….which was much too long at 9 nights. Jess & I both have newish jobs and couldn’t take a longer trip. The Haley factor played a big part too. I’ve never taken a trip with a 2yo before and didn’t know how it would be. So we went over Thanksgiving for November 23rd through November 27th.

I was afraid the crowds would be horrible so even tho I’ve been several times and know the ropes, I subscribed to Tourguide Mike to get some tips on avoiding those crowds.

Then promptly committed the ultimate sin according to all planning guides: spending Thanksgiving Day at Magic Kingdom.

But I’m jumping ahead of myself a little bit. We’ve got to get there first.

And we were flying again.

The last trip with my daughter began with her throwing a fit in the Atlanta airport over a delay due to weather. I’m fairly certain the Delta people in Atlanta still have Jess’s picture posted in their break-room using it as a dart board so I had to get us to Orlando without going through Atlanta. Thankfully, Delta has direct flights out of Lexington to Orlando now.

At the Lexington airport our trip began eerily familiar when Jess ducked into the bar for a cold one or two before the flight. I hung out at the gate for our Noon-thirty flight with the grands and tried my best not to let my thoughts go back to that other trip. I even considered ducking into the bar for a drink myself but was having too much fun pointing out airplanes to little Haley and watching the amazement in her face as she’d watch one take off.

Haley’s been on some long road trips so I wasn’t much concerned about her getting antsy on a 3 hour flight. I planned ahead and brought a backpack with new books, snacks, and a couple little toys to keep her busy. I’d lurked on the Families Board here on the DISboards and soaked up all the tips I could on taking at 2yo to Disney and on airplanes. One of the tips I got was to give her some Benedryl about a half hour before our flight to help her ears and make her sleep.

That would prove to be a big mistake.

Haley gets fussy when she’s sleepy.

She got sleepy about an hour into the flight.

Jess gets stressed and angry when Haley throws fits in public.

My apologies to my fellow passengers on that flight.

Haley finally succumbs to sleep right when it’s time to deplane. She doesn’t like to be woken from her slumber either so we waited until everyone else had gotten off before we woke her. I sat and tried to ignore all the dirty looks from the other passengers as they filed down the isle past us.

I think what goes around comes around and am sure that the same will happen to those who gave the dirty looks. Skye was such an easy going baby, toddler and still is. Jess was a little angel when she was a kid too. So I’m sure that Jess and I both gave our share of dirty looks too which is why God blessed us with Haley who is anything but an easy going child. What goes around comes around. Remember that.

The last trip to WDW I took Jess on I’d sprung for a stretch limo to take us to & from the airport. This time we were using Disney’s Magical Express. I’ve learned my lesson about spending too much of my hard earned money on people who don’t appreciate it. This was going to be a bare bones kinda trip….sort of. We were going to drive to Florida but I had a very good Ebay sale. Let me brag a minute. I bought four old circa 1880 English ABC plates for $50 and turned them around on Ebay for $889. I used that money to pay for our flights. It wasn’t to indulge my girls. It was so I wouldn’t have to be trapped in the car with them for 13 hours in case things went wrong. Like I said earlier, I haven’t forgotten. I feel it was money well spent. Especially since it felt like I’d spent $50 on the fare instead of $900. Found money, not out of the paycheck money. Not much of the paycheck money goes to WDW trips. That’s what Ebay is for.

I’m a little nervous about this whole Magical Express thing. Especially since we’re arriving the day before Thanksgiving Day. The line to the DME counter wasn’t too bad; the line was longish but it did move fast. I think it was when the corralled us into the cattle shoots that was the lines for the busses that the Magic went out of it for me. The wait was longish too. Almost a half hour. Haley was getting tired of just sitting in her stroller but we were trapped in there and couldn’t leave the line to keep her moving. She’s happy when she’s moving. As if the CM’s didn’t notice Haley getting fussy, they let all the others lines that hadn’t been waiting as long as we were go first. I know it’s free but I don’t think I’ll be doing Magical Express any more. I like the towncar service much better. I like having someone with my last name written on a card standing at the bottom of the escalators to whisk me off to WDW. That’s also money well spent. Ebay money tho, not paycheck money.

This was sort of a spur of the moment trip. Spur of the moment to us is booking two months ahead instead of the regular DVC booking of 11 months or even 6 months. Since I booked early and it was a busy time of year I couldn’t get all four nights at my DVC home, Beach Club Villas or my other favorite, Boardwalk Villas. I could’ve gotten all four nights at OKW or SSR but I decided to save my points and stay the first two nights at POFQ and the last two at BCV 1BR. I just like the Epcot resort area best. I like being able to walk to Epcot & MGM. I’m sure that I’ll eventually stay at the other DVC resorts, maybe, but right now I don’t want to. Nothing against them; I’m sure they’re nice.

We arrived at POFQ shortly. It’s a really neat resort. Actually, it’s the first time I’ve stayed at a moderate. I’ve stayed at a couple of the value resorts and several of the deluxe resorts, but it’s the first time for a moderate. I loved the feel of POFQ. It’s small & intimate, the band that played at night, the beignets, the landscaping and the colors. Festive but relaxed at the same time. If you ever get the chance, try it out.

I got us checked in and bought our passes while the girls explored the lobby area and gift shop. I met up with them and they all had smiling happy faces; even Haley looked like she knew we were doing something special. Our room was ready so we went and checked it out.

I forgot to mention that this was a combination birthday & Christmas gift to Skye & Haley who both had birthdays the previous week. And I did mention the fact to the CM who booked our ADRs and to the CMs who booked our accommodations. POFQ was the only one who did anything special for the girl’s birthdays tho. There was a card for Haley signed by Mickey in the room when we got there. It kinda made for an uncomfortable moment tho since both girls had birthdays last week. Although Skye wouldn’t dream of admitting it without my probing she’s already feeling as if her new sister is taking much of the attention that now has to be shared between two girls. I wasn’t expecting anything special and I know if I want anything special I need to make the arrangements and pay for it but it never hurts to mention it right? Well, that’ll learn me, durn me.

We spent a little time getting our fanny packs packed and since the forecast was predicting temps in the low 40’s we all put on our Cuddle Duds (Google is your friend if you don’t know what Cuddle Duds are.) then headed off to the bus stop to catch the bus to Epcot. It could’ve been just that we were anxious to get to the park but it did seem like it took that bus a while to get there. Haley loved the bus rides by the way and enjoyed picking out the characters on the signs inside. I’d bought a neat lightweight stroller than folded flat & easy but could still recline and it was just perfect for the trip. It also slid easily under the seats of the busses for storage so didn’t take up space. That was a tip I learned on the Families Board that did work well.

Just when we were getting ready to enter the turnstiles at Epcot Jess realized she didn’t have her pass. She swore she put it in her jacket pocket but it wasn’t there now. This could’ve been the makings for a very bad moment. In the past I wouldn’t said something about her being irresponsible or rolled my eyes, or even sighed heavily and that’s all it would’ve taken for a very bad scene to unfold. But I didn’t do any of those things this time. Instead, I said no problem. I have the receipt right here and all we have to do is go get the ticket replaced. See, we’re learning….

We had to wait in line at guest services but they gave us a one day pass to get in and told us we had to go to guest services at POFQ to have another Key/Pass combo issued.

By now it’s already time to head for our San Angel Inn ADR so we hightailed it over there. It was a madhouse. We had to wait in line behind all the people being told that they were booked solid. I got our vibrating light-up when they’re ready for us thingy and we took Haley on her first ever Disney ride in Mexico while we waited. We got to go around twice before the pager called us. Haley loved it! She loved it so much she didn’t want to sit down in the highchair so Skye took her on it again after we ordered our food. Skye is a very mature 11yo and has been to Disney many times so we felt comfortable letting her take her on the ride alone especially since we could see the entrance/exit from our table. Jess & I ordered a margarita and relaxed a bit. If we’d known what was going to happen next we would’ve savored that moment a bit more.

When our food arrived we fixed Haley a plate from our dishes and Skye & Haley came back. Haley still didn’t want to sit down in the highchair but accepted Skye’s offer to let her sit on her lap although she was still crying a little. I was taking a big ol’ drink of my margarita when over top of the rim of the glass I see Haley pick up her plate of food and toss it on the floor. The plate broke with a big crash.

Silence came over the restaurant and everyone was looking at us. In a blur of long blond hair flying, Jess, grabs Haley and takes off out of the restaurant. I’m apologizing to the staff and fellow dinners and take big gulps of the margarita and woofed down a couple bites of the food. Jess & Haley still didn’t reappear so I told Skye to finish her dinner while I went and found them. I look first in the bathroom but they weren’t in there. I looked around the marketplace area and didn’t see them there either. I didn’t want to leave the building but decided to look just outside to see if they were there.

Just as I walked up the ramp to go out the doors I found them. Sitting there side by side on a ledge? Bench? Underneath one of the glass front display cases set into the walls where the expensive Mexican folk art is displayed. They were both staring straight ahead. Jess with her hand on her forehead and elbow on her knee. Haley looking guilty like she knows she’s in trouble until she sees me and cries Nana runs to me like I’m going to save her. I told Jess to go in and finish her dinner and I’d take Haley back to the room. She and Skye could do some rides and watch Illuminations if they wanted to. We’d talked before we left that if Haley needed to be in bed at her regular time, I’d be the one to take her back. I was just in WDW in February and it had been a while since either Jess or Skye had been so I wanted them to have fun.

I took Haley to her stroller which we’d left outside and while getting her situated in it I’m talking to her and trying to get her to understand that we were on vacation at a special place and we were going to have so much fun, but she had to be a good girl or else she’d be spending it in our room. Of course, I don’t know how much of that she actually understood….

We rode Spaceship Earth on our way out of the park. She didn’t know quiet what to think about that. She seemed to enjoy it and didn’t appear to be afraid. When I volunteered to take her back to the room I forgot that it would be a bit of a challenge getting her and the stroller, plus a backpack full of stuff, on the bus by myself but I made it. I couldn’t help but think that if we were staying at BCV it would’ve been just a quick walk home.

Back at the room Haley told me she was hungry.

So, we walked to the food court and she was a perfect little angel eating her chicken strips and I tried one of the heavenly beignets from the bakery area that I’d been hearing about all these years. Bellies full, we go back to the room and I fill the tub with Nemo bubbles and let her play and wind down then put Haley in the JoJo’s Circus pajamas I’d bought her for the trip. She love’s the Playhouse Disney characters and especially JoJo. She was out like a light as soon as her little head hit the pillow.

Shortly after nine, Jess & Skye came back. They’d attempted to ride Soarin’ but the line was too long but they did do Mission Space and Test Track. I sent Jess to Guest Services to get her pass/key situation taken care of so we wouldn’t have to deal with it the next morning. We had an early breakfast reservation with Cinderella at the castle and didn’t want to be late!
 
Enjoying your report so far. I too, know the sometime frustrations of traveling with a 2-year old! But you just do it, and it does make for some great memories!
 
Funny report! I can't wait to read the rest. I'm glad that you were willing to sacrifice so that your daughter and her older daughter could have some fun.

Marie
 
I know how trying (and also rewarding) it can be to travel with a toddler, and sometimes that's NOTHING compared with how trying it can be for a mother/daughter to spend time together. Sounds like you've been burned with that before. I'm glad you gave it a second try and hope it all turns out fine. Your daughter and grandkids are very lucky to have you - I hope they appreciate it...although sometimes I think people also bite the hand that feeds them out of resentment, and also its easy for us to revert back to our old ways (selfish, immature, moody) when we're around our parents...OK, enough psycho-babble...I just hope you had a good time!

~Linda
 

I too am enjoying the report as is-no sugar coating.I can't wait to hear the rest. :)
 
Thanksgiving Day, 2005

This is the first time I’ve been away from home for Thanksgiving and the first time I haven’t cooked the turkey dinner for our family since my mother passed. Thanksgiving isn’t my father’s favorite holiday and he doesn’t really like turkey so he didn’t mind my leaving for the holiday at all. He and my brother had plans to go out for a steak dinner this afternoon. I booked a nice Thanksgiving dinner at the California Grill and had been looking forward to it until the previous nights experience at San Angel Inn.

It was a rough night sleeping with Haley in a full sized bed. Since she was either strapped into her stroller, plane seat, or bus seat, I think her little body was trying to gets its exercise while she slept. Poor thing even fell out of bed once. I had given up on sleep by 5:00am and decided to get up and get my shower out of the way. The shower part was easy enough, but when I turned the blow dryer on to dry my hair, Jess woke with an “It’s too early for that, Mom.” I shut the dryer off, dressed and snuck out of the room to explore and grab some much needed coffee.

We were in building three and fairly close to the lobby & food court area but I took the long way to check out more of the resort. As I walked around I couldn’t help thinking about the real New Orleans and the people who suffered and were still suffering and said a silent prayer for them all. I was the only idiot up at this hour it seemed; at least the only one wandering around the property.

There was a light fog to the still dark morning and walking around POFQ was like walking around in a dream. It reminded me of the scenes where New Orleans is featured on the Worlds Most Haunted Hotels show on the Travel Channel with the dimly lit street lights, wrought iron fences, the narrow brick paved streets, and ivy covered architectural elements. It would’ve been scary had it not been for the Disney World air. You know what I’m talking about? Even the air at Disney has that magical charge to it that you can’t find anywhere else in the world. It all added up to a very magical experience and perhaps the most magical part of the trip for me personally; certainly worth missing a couple hours of sleep for.

As I got closer to the lobby & food court area the music grew louder and while still in my magical waking dream, I slipped in the food court and purchased a Styrofoam cup and helped myself to a cup of coffee. One sip of that let me know that I was indeed at Disney World…yuck. It was enough to bring me out of my dream like state. I took my coffee outside and sat and watched POFQ wake up as the mug-men began to venture out and to the food court. I watched closely their faces to see if I could see signs that they too had experienced this magical place just as I had moments before. I think one or two may have from the smiles on their faces. It was now about 6:45 and Mickey was due to make the wake up call at 6:30 so I headed back to the room to see if Jess needed help getting the girls ready.

We had a big day planned with breakfast at the castle, and dinner at California Grill!
 
Wow. That was quite an eventful first day. I hope things slowed down.
 
Well I'm glued to see if this turns out harmonious or all out war. Great report so far, :thumbsup2

Claire xx
 
Looking forward to more, JennyMouse! I remember your "less than magical" trip. I am hoping that this one turns out better for all of you!
 
great report so far! is there anyway to get to the old report? I admit, I'm sadistic - I really would love to read it.
 
I am so impressed with how calm and patient you were in Epcot. It could have been a total meltdown! I can totally relate to the early morning Magice of Disney. Reading your description led me right back!! I am so interested in the rest of your trip. Overall, would you go again for thanksgiving? I am trying to find a time for my whole family w/o taking too many school days off.

Thanks

Suzanne
 
When I arrived back at our room, Jess had just gotten out of the shower, Skye was in the shower and Haley was still sleeping. As I've mentioned before, Haley doesn't much like to be woken from her sleep. Even with kisses as I was doing this morning. Her face was scrunched up as she squirmed then burrowed down in the covers. I kissed her again and told her it was time to get up. Just as she started to cry in protest, I told her it was time to get ready to go have breakfast with Cinderella at the castle. :wizard:

She sat up and looked around; remembering where she was, then started kicking the covers off. She was raring to go. She knows who Cinderella is, but she calls her Ella. We watch the movies at home and I played the planning DVD for her several times. She knows what a castle is too and thinks every building with a flag on top of a roof is a castle. I got her dressed and we were soon ready to head out the door. I'd thought about getting her a princess gown for the occasion but decided against it. She's just a little too young to appreciate it and it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that she would refuse to wear it.

Every guide book and Disney site was saying to stay away from Magic Kingdom today, but I ended up with the Cinderella breakfast at the perfect time so we were going anyway. I was probably over analizing it but I figured that since everyone was advising against it, the planners wouldn't be there and since there had been extra magic hours the night before I figured the people who followed the EMH days wouldn't be doing MK again this morning. We could always leave if it got too crowded.

The character breakfast bus arrived promptly and we were soon at the Magic Kingdom. I love the Magic Kingdom the first thing in the morning and the 8:05 am ADR was perfect for getting us in to see it. The Christmas decorations were awsome but I think I'm one of the people who like the undecorated WDW best with the everyday music and appearance. It was still a bit foggy too, and the castle seemed almost hidden until we were right upon it. Haley, mouth wide open in wonder, looked straight up at it and I can only imagine what might be going through her little head.

We parked the stroller and I went to check us in at the podium. Soon we were inside and we were all excited. Skye was pointing out Cinderella's mice friends upon the ledge. The CM was directing everyone to get in line to have their picture made with Cinderella when she appeared.

I was holding Haley when Cinderella came out and heard Haley's breath catch as she saw Cinderella for the first time. Skye and Haley got their picture made with Cinderella then we were soon headed upstairs to breakfast.


When I called for the ADR, the CM asked me if we were celebrating anything special and I did tell her that it was a birthday trip for the girls. I really had thought I would find some pixie dust sprinkled on the table but there was none. I was glad that I didn't mention it to the girls before we got there. I didn't say anything to the waitress either because it would only kill the magic of the moment. And besides, it wasn't technically their birthdays.

Our table was next to the window and Haley was so into watching the princesses circulate that she behaved herself and even ate a bite or two. She was shy with the characters when they came to our table. Skye seemed to enjoy having her pictures taken with them all and I couldn't help remembering the trip she and I took and coming here for breakfast. She was totally into it at 6 years old.

The breakfast was yummy and we ate our fill. I did buy the expensive photo with Cinderella. It was presented in a very nice folder. It was 8:45 so we left to do the rope drop to Fantasyland. I love how they tease the kids with Mickey and friends waving to them from deeper into Fantasyland. Haley was pointing and saying "Dares Mickey Mouse!" She was so fired up! I'd told Jess that her and Skye could go off on their own and do the mountains and I'd do Fantasyland with Haley, but they wanted to experience Haley's first time with her too.

The rope dropped and we beat a trail to Dumbo and while we weren't the first riders since we didn't run and trample slow moving children, we didn't wait long. My plans for the day was to do what we could before the heavy crowds came and then go back to the resort and swim if it was warm enough or let Haley get a nap. I had notes on how I was going to tackle Fanastyland from the touring plans at Tourguide Mike and followed it closely and had no lines at all. I'd share what rides we did and what order
but I don't want to be taken to the woodshed over it by a few of the more militant TGM'ers. It worked so well tho that I'd begun to think that the crowds on Thanksgiving Day at MK was all a myth.

It truely wasn't as crowded as they were predicting it would be. I was talking to a couple during one of our breaks who said that they'd been there all week long and it was much more crowded on Tuesday. As an aside, Friday was the day recommended by the Unoffical Guide and everyone and saw several big groups headed to MK that day so I have a feeling it was much more crowded on Friday than Saturday.

After we'd gotten most of the rides done we went to Mickey's Philharmagic. I was expecting Haley to refuse to wear the magic glasses but she sat in my lap the whole time and watched that movie with them on. This kid was just full of surprises at every turn on this vacation. At home she goes to restaurants all the time and we never have a problem with her, but not here....

We were done with Fantasyland around 10:30 and that included Philharmagic. We went to Splash and got fastpasses then went to the Haunted Mansion. Haley did just fine on it and learned about ghosts. While I saved our place in line, the girls got pictures made next to the old hearse with the invisible horse by one of the Photopass photographers. When we got home we were surprised to find a ghost in them!

After the Haunted Mansion we did the baby swap thing at Splash Mountain. I let Jess & Skye go first and I took Haley to the little play area under the bridge. I could tell she was getting tired tho and was thinking we might ought to head back to the room to let her get her nap in. But when Jess & Skye came back from riding, Skye wanted to go again so she and I went for our turn with the baby swap pass. It still seemed to take a while as the crowds were getting pretty heavy in that area.

When we got back to the play area, Jess said Haley tried to bite another child that was playing there too so she took her and put her in the stroller. She had a meltdown but she was now fast asleep in the stroller. I have to say, I'm glad I missed that! Haley's been having a biting problem lately and it only started when she started going to this new daycare. It's like some sort of bite fest there every day with either her biting or another child biting her. The last day we picked her up from daycare she had a bad place on her hand that looked like a bite but the daycare worker said it wasn't but that this little boy pinched her with his whole hand. The skin was even broken and it looked awful. It just broke my heart to see where she'd been hurt so bad. I've done searches on the internet and we've been trying everything we could think of to solve the biting problem but nothing seemed to work. I'm happy to report now that we've switched daycares and while Haley did bite once when she first started there, she's not biting anymore and seems to just love her new "school" whereas before I would find her crying when I'd get there to pick her up.

Anyway, back to our story. It didn't make sense to leave the park and go back to the room because she would wake up before we even got there. We talked about going to another park but decided it wasn't too bad where we were so I took Haley in her stroller to that quiet area right at the exit to Splash. At least it was quiet until the train whistle blew! It didn't wake her up tho, thank goodness.

We had decided to split up at that point and when Haley woke I took her to see the Country Bears, we took a ride on the train around the park, went and saw the Tiki Birds and even rode Pirates. It was lunchtime and I tried to get Jess on her cell phone from my cell phone to see if they wanted to meet up for lunch. I couldn't reach her for some reason so Haley and I went to Casey's and got a hotdog and fries to share. I don't get to eat there very often because Jess & Skye don't like hotdogs so this was a treat for me.

After lunch Jess got me on the cell and we met up. We discussed going to the room but we still didn't want to leave. We also discussed our dinner ADR at California Grill and decided that we didn't want to take the chance of Haley acting up and disturbing everyone else's dinner and to tell you the truth, I didn't want to spend $200 on a dinner we probably would probably have to cut short. I left the girls on Main Street shopping while I ran to guest services to cancel our ADR. I hope another family with no ADR was able to use it.

We continued touring the MK getting fastpasses where we could but mostly doing the lesser attractions that didn't have long lines. We ended up eating our Thanksgiving Dinner at Columbia Harbour House. That was our first time there even tho I'd heard many good things about it. It was very crowded in there but just as everyone on the DIS say we went up stairs to find only one other family there. Before long another group of adult came up and one man was wearing a Kentucky sweatshirt and we struck up a conversation with them. It was a very pleasant Thanksgiving Dinner even tho it wasn't quiet what I'd planned. We were together and happy and getting along and that was more important than eating TG dinner at the California Grill. Thankfully, there wasn't a charge on my credit card bill for not cancelling 24 hours early as they hadn't even taken my card info when I made the ADR.

After dinner we did a little shopping. I'd promised Skye a Tinkerbell watch for a combination birthday & Christmas gift and we found a nice, but expensive one that we fell in love with. I bought it for her with the money I'd saved by not having dinner at California Grill and she was thrilled. Normally I wouldn't advise such an expensive watch for an eleven year old but she's always been very responsible with her things and takes great care. She even has her baby rings safely tucked away in her room. We got Haley some winter outfits and a stuffed Tinkerbell. They each had their own spending money so we shopped quiet a bit.

It was soon time to get a spot to watch Spectromagic. Jess & I took turns walking around with Haley because she wasn't going for just sitting in her stroller or even in our laps and waiting for very long. When the parade started Haley just loved it of course. She got lots of attention from the characters and had a ball even tho she was barely holding her little eyes open. When it was over, we decided to head out of the park instead of waiting for Wishes. I offered to take Haley back myself since the park was open until midnight, but even Jess & Skye was ready to go back. We'd been at Magic Kingdom since before opening and we were all ready for our beds.

Our day was truely wonderful I'm happy to report. Very unusual for us! :teeth:
 
RadioFanatic said:
great report so far! is there anyway to get to the old report? I admit, I'm sadistic - I really would love to read it.

I don't have the link to it anymore and the DISboards search only goes back a year I think. Let's just say it was ugly, very ugly.
 
dutton said:
Overall, would you go again for thanksgiving? I am trying to find a time for my whole family w/o taking too many school days off.

Thanks

Suzanne

I would definately go at Thanksgiving again. We had no problems seeing and doing everything we wanted to do. It was crowded at times but we just avoided the crowds by arriving early, following Tourguide Mike's touring plans and avoided EMH's. It wasn't too hot for touring either!
 
I clearly remember your first trip, and still have the picture Skye sent me. I'm so glad this one went better, I had worried about you and Skye.
 
Hi Pam! How are you doing?! You should see Skye now; she's grown up soo much. Wears a size 10 shoe!lol
 
I'm doing great, thanks! We had kids and grandkids at SSR a couple of weeks after you were there (Dec 8-17) and had a blast. Wore this gramma out, though.
 












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