The offensive Happy Holidays wish.

How do you feel about "Happy Holidays"

  • I am Christian and it is offensive

  • I am Christian and it is not offensive.

  • I am not CHristian and it is offensive

  • I am not Christian and it is not offensive


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tiberius said:
For instance a school district removing Christmas references (religious and secular) while still retaining references to Hanukka, Kwanza, ... in a Holiday Program.

But do you think this is the exception or the rule? My son is clearly allowed to make reference to CHristmas and others are allowed to express aspects of their religion or cultures as well. Now ask me if they are allowed to discuss intricate aspects of their religion - nope - not the time or the place. That is what your church and family are for.

I actually would like to see evidence of a school that has totally removed all references to Christmas and allowed Hanukka and Kwanza. Hopefully this is the exception.
 
I'm a Christian and it doesn't offend me. I think Happy Holidays is nice.
 
For those offended by the phrase, then you should boycott here, as the DIS says Happy Holidays!! :teeth: :banana:


Just playing, happy Saturday everybody! :)
 
Whilst in Australia we don't have as many different cultures as you guys do and we are are Christian country. Why do these people think they have a right to an apology?


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NO OFFENCE: Yeppoon State School principal Laurelle Allen
Principal apologises for saying 'Christmas'
JESSICA LAWRENCE
11dec05


A SCHOOL principal has apologised for overusing the word "Christmas" in a controversy branded political correctness gone crazy.

Yeppoon State School head Laurelle Allen wrote the apology after a family claimed she had discriminated against them by using "Christmas" too many times in school newsletters.

Paul and Melanie Jowsey, whose children Charles, 10, and Harrison, 8, attend the central Queensland school, do not celebrate Christmas and oppose the "historical dominance of Christianity" in Australia.

They complained that Ms Allen used "Christmas" at least 10 times in three newsletters over a week and had subjected them to "direct and indirect discrimination" by treating those who embrace Christianity more favourably.

But stunned community and church leaders, teachers, parents and family groups insisted that Ms Allen need not have apologised.

Australian Family Association state president Alistair Barros said: "This is just staggering. It is political correctness gone crazy. Christmas is something which is part of our heritage."

Premier Peter Beattie said school principals should be free to discuss Christmas at will.

"Christmas is important as a celebration and Christians should be able to celebrate the festivities as Christmas," he said.

Local state MP Paul Hoolihan threw his support behind Ms Allen, labelling the case political correctness "gone lunatic".

"She has nothing to apologise for," said Mr Hoolihan, Labor member for Keppel.

Brisbane Catholic Archbishop John Bathersby agreed it was a case of political correctness gone mad and there was no need for the principal to apologise.

"Christmas is part of our tradition and the whole country accepts the fact that we have the Christmas season," he said.

"It should not offend anyone if we call it that and I can't understand why a person would be offended."

Queensland Teachers' Union president Steve Ryan also backed Ms Allen, saying the Jowsey family had not been discriminated against.

The school's Parents and Citizens Association chairman Yme Dwarshuis said the principal's Christmas comments were made "in good faith" and she need not have apologised.

The controversy erupted on November 30, when the Jowseys sent a letter to Ms Allen complaining about her use of the word "Christmas" in several newsletters sent to parents.

The family took offence at phrases such as "Christmas concert" and "Christmas disco", and the principal's greeting: "I would like to take this opportunity to wish all families a very merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and safe Christmas holiday period."

The Jowseys demanded Ms Allen respond to their complaint within 14 days.

In a letter to Mr Jowsey, Ms Allen replied: "I firstly must apologise for offending you and your family.

"You are right in that there are many references to Christmas and the Christmas season in the recent newsletters.

"On reflection, I should have referred to the holiday season rather than the Christmas season."

Mr Jowsey defended his actions, saying religious celebrations had no place in state schools.

"I'm not being a Scrooge," he said.

"The celebration of religious events has no place in state schools. Forcing the observance of such on young children is a dinosaur.

"We've had enough and you don't have a right to push it down everybody's throats." Ms Allen confirmed she sent the apology to the Jowseys, but would not comment further.
 

yeartolate said:
I am 45. I have been saying "Happy Holidays" since I was a kid - before it was PC to be PC.

I said Happy Holidays even to my Christian friends because I meant Christmas AND New Years. I even say it around Thanksgiving - to include that holiday as well. It does not mean I never say Merry Christmas - because I certainly do.

I still cannot fathom why folks see the saying of Happy Holidays to be an exclusionary statement. Or a statement to denegrate Christians. :confused3

Frankly alot of the disputes of this sort are more fueled by business/sales than anyone wishing ill on another.


It doesnt bother me that much and I dont think its a HUGE deal or anything but I just think some places are taking it too extreme with the happy holidays etc. I mean if someone wishes me a happy holidays I gladly wish them one back and I dont think that is rude especially if they are working for a store but I also think some places are trying soo hard not to offend anyone that they end up excluding and offending another group. Oh well you cant please everyone all of the time.Like I said I dont like lie awake at night being angry about happy holidays or holiday trees :teeth:
 
I'm a Christian who could care less about any of it.

How we address each other during the Holiday season is the least of our worries in this country. Say "Merry Christmas," "Happy Holidays," "Happy Hanukkah," whatever suits you.

I'll respond in kind.
 
It doesn't bother me, but makes me wonder......isn't "holidays" derived from "holy days?" I think it is.
 
"The word holiday has related but different meanings in English-speaking countries. Based on the Old English words holy and day (halig dæg), holidays originally represented special religious days. The word has evolved in general usage to mean any special"

quoted from Wikipedia. :)
 
Don't mind Happy Holidays.

But I don't get "holiday tree." Good grief, it's a CHRISTMAS tree. Are we gonna start calling a menorah a "holiday candelabra?"
 
I'm Catholic and am not offended by Happy Holidays. But at the same time, I don't see anything wrong with wishing someone "Merry Christmas" when it's near Christmas and "Happy New Year" when it's after Christmas.

I checked into a hotel in China this past Dec. 2 just in time to witness and participate in the official CHRISTMAS TREE lighting ceremony in the lobby. And yes, they called it a Christmas Tree. Santa arrived with his female elves and wished everyone a "Merry Christmas". We sang songs, children took pictures with Santa, etc. Then we enjoyed a piece of chocolate cake.

In many parts of the city I'm visiting, all you see are "Merry Christmas" banners and "Christmas Trees" decorated with lights, colored balls, and other general ornaments. There are no religious figures. In the lobby of the hotel I'm staying at now (different than the one above), they have 2 real "Christmas Trees", a 6 foot tall Santa and "Merry Christmas" signs all over the place. Is China celebrating Christmas from a religious stand point? No, they are not. They are celebrating the Christmas season with traditional symbols known throughout the world.

BTW, their "New Years" start on or near January 29th for 1 week. So if someone here wishes anyone "Happy Holidays", they only mean Christmas.
 
Skylarr29 said:
Also I read an interesting article the other day that stated Kwanzaa and the other Holidays of the season are not really in the season as they all started early this year and will not be in December.

Actually Kwanzaa is ALWAYS celebrated in the week between Christmas and New Years. But you are right, it is a cultural celebration not a religious one.

Does anyone know ANYONE that actually celebrates it?
 
I am a Christian and I am not offended if someone tells me "Happy Holidays". However, I don't feel that anyone should be offended that I say "Merry Christmas." It would not bother me if anyone wished me "Happy Hanukkah" or "Happy Kwanzaa" either. It seems strange to me that people consider it exclusive rather than inclusive to invite someone to enjoy any holiday. If I tell you "Merry Christmas" it means I would like you to have a good day on December 25th, regardless of if you use that day for any sort of celebration. :confused3
 
I am a Christian who could care less about this silly debate. I truly think it's been completely overdone by the media. JMHO.

Wish me whatever you want as long as you're being nice about it =)
 
"Happy Holidays" is A-OK with me. I'm a little puzzled by the whole "Holiday Tree" thing though: it's a Christmas Tree. But I'm not going to get ticked off if it's called a holiday tree - I would just wonder what someone was referring to: is it an outdoor tree that blooms in winter?...is it a decorated tree - in other words - is it a Christmas tree?
 
I think that it's a whole lot of fuss over nothing. Go ahead and say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays". They're both nice greetings IMO.
 
I say both, if I know someone celebrates Christmas it's "Merry Christmas" if not I just say "Happy Holidays"

I don't understand all the fuss either. :confused3
 
MUFFYCAT said:
I'm not offended- I just don't like it. I think of Happy Holidays as any holiday.
When it's close to Christmas I like Merry Christmas.

I agree with you Muffycat. Offensive to me is a strong word, I prefer Merry Christmas, and I say Merry Christmas. If I am wrong, that the recipient of my greeting can correct me and I will amend it. I will not say Happy Kwaanza. Its a "made up holiday" based on dubious traditions.
 
MsLeFever said:
Does anyone know ANYONE that actually celebrates it?


Only the people who show up the in Hartford Courant every year saying that they celebrate it.
 
It depends on the person. For my friends who are Jewish and Muslim, I usually say Happy Holidays just out of respect for their own celebrations. I say Merry Christmas to people I know are Christian and/or specifically celebrate the Christmas holiday.

What do the Canadians think? I know they go on "holiday", but what about Happy Holidays? :rotfl:
 


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