The Implosion of John Kerry?

[shrubber]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
Ok so you believe that if all companies sell out to foreign interests, and the foreign companies were to close or outsource, leaving most americans unemployed...that is good because it's free trade...???

Well how likely is that really?
But using your example the foriegn companies then outsourcing would be outsourcing back to us!
This is all way off topic, my apologize to the OP.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
I'm not even sure if she is a democrat. I doubt that she would want to suppress free speech either.

She's a recent Princeton grad so she probably has better things to do. You have heard of Princetown down in Nashville, right?

Ms. Pumpernickel:

Is this an ignorant slight to Southerners? My husband is from MA and I am from NY and OH. . .and, when we considered moving here a little less than two years ago, I, unfortunately, had preconceived notions regarding this area, as well. But, let me take this opportunity to enlighten you: Nashville is a beautiful place with many highly educated people who enjoy the greenery, slower pace, reasonable cost of living, and extremely kind people.

Was the other poster's Princeton education mentioned to contrast what you think is a stunted intellect on my part?

Can you possibly add some substance to the discussion regarding the allegations against Kerry? Or, must you take this opportunity to change the subject and insult the messenger?

 

[AllyandJack]

I'm non-declared, but I tend to lean more Republican when it comes to things like taxes, immigration (REAL Republican views on immigration, not Bush's). I also support Gay marriage and a woman's right to choose.

I would vote for a Democrat, but I would never vote for Kerry. War service aside...I mean, we'll never REALLY know what the truth is anyway, right?...look at his voting record. Look at how many votes he's missed. Look at how many meetings he's missed on such important things like national security. Look at how, for 5 years prior to 9/11, he proposed a bill (not just voted for, but actually proposed it) to reduce the spending on intelligence. He's not doing the job he is being paid to do by the MA taxpayers. I am one of them. I want him to start doing his job. He missed a key vote that would have meant federal funding for MA - if he was there to vote yes, it would have gone through.

Bush might not be fantastic, but Kerry is not the answer. You know the old saying about the Devil You Know v. the Devil You Don't Know? I think it's very true in this case.

I don't trust Kerry not to raise my taxes. He says he won't (I'm not in the 1%), but who can trust him?? Kerry still would have invaded Iraq....would he have done a better job managing it? Maybe...nobody knows for sure. I listen to Kerry. I hear him say how he will fight a better war in Iraq and make America safer, but he never says how. Right now, the best idea we have is to go into these coutries and root them out. I never hear an alternative coming from Kerry, just a promise that he will do "better." Well, that doesn't get my vote. I'm going with the Devil I Know.

By the way, anyone who will demand that a fire hydrant be moved from in front of their house so he doesn't have to walk 10 extra feet is not a "man of the people."

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by shrubber
Well how likely is that really?
But using your example the foriegn companies then outsourcing would be outsourcing back to us!
This is all way off topic, my apologize to the OP.

how likely is it that a group of people from one part of the world will take up residence all around the world working as normal citizens of the host country, for years while actually plotting terrorist attacks on one of the world powers...

oops that actually happened, although no one ever thought it could,
I guess I'm wrong for thinking outside the lines,,,just like the guy in the US think tank that presented the scenario of airliners being hijacked and used as missiles, years before 9-11..

and actually although the companies would be foreign owned, if they were within the US, outsourcing would mean hiring people in another country,,,not US citizens..

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Ms. Pumpernickel:

Is this an ignorant slight to Southerners? My husband is from MA and I am from NY and OH. . .and, when we considered moving here a little less than two years ago, I, unfortunately, had preconceived notions regarding this area, as well. But, let me take this opportunity to enlighten you: Nashville is a beautiful place with many highly educated people who enjoy the greenery, slower pace, reasonable cost of living, and extremely kind people.

Was the other poster's Princeton education mentioned to contrast what you think is a stunted intellect on my part?

Can you possibly add some substance to the discussion regarding the allegations against Kerry? Or, must you take this opportunity to change the subject and insult the messenger?

Oh my goodness, why are you so hostile? My best friend is from near Knoxville. I've been there before and enjoyed the tent revivals, and snake handling cult s meetings there, thank you very much! No, just kidding.

Unfortunately I feel that your argument is weak and holds no substance. I feel that your position on Kerry's military service only goes toward swaying voters in the opposite direction. I do not feel that it is ethical to criticize his military service, especially since Bush didn't serve in Viet Nam. Do you always believe everything you see on Gerry Springer or in the media at large? It is kind of good to look at it with a little bit of skepticism. To each his own. What you say stands on it's own. I rarely feel the need to justify what I say. I can make my own choices.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by shrubber
Well how likely is that really?
But using your example the foriegn companies then outsourcing would be outsourcing back to us!
This is all way off topic, my apologize to the OP.

No apologies necessary.

My husband lost several high-paying clients this year to Indian providers. Subsequently, this put a damper on our annual income, and to keep clients, he sometimes has to lower his prices.

That said, I am a capitalist that is entirely for free trade.

I agree with your comment. I am a consumer who wants high-quality goods at the lowest possible prices, and forcing manufacturers to produce goods and services using only American workers will, unfortunately, cause those goods and services to become more expensive. Many consumers will be forced to go without or less and the manufacturers will have to inhibit production and lay off those American workers--also contributing to a dip in the economy.

I cannot see how anyone can definitely state that limiting free trade and/or outsourcing is bad for the economy. It also forces us to think creatively, produce new and different goods to compete--increasing the need for Americans and their products in our global system.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Oh my goodness, why are you so hostile? My best friend is from near Knoxville. I've been there before and enjoyed the tent revivals, and snake handling cult s meetings there, thank you very much! No, just kidding.

Unfortunately I feel that your argument is weak and holds no substance. I feel that your position on Kerry's military service only goes toward swaying voters in the opposite direction. I do not feel that it is ethical to criticize his military service, especially since Bush didn't serve in Viet Nam. Do you always believe everything you see on Gerry Springer or in the media at large? It is kind of good to look at it with a little bit of skepticism. To each his own. What you say stands on it's own. I rarely feel the need to justify what I say. I can make my own choices.

Well, I'm certainly glad this wasn't one of those times you chose not to justify yourself!

You can "feel" what you want. Feelings are not fact. This doesn't change the fact that there are many people who have signed affidavits accusing Kerry of wrongdoing and lies.

There is a possibility that I misread your original comment quoting me, but I clearly detected a bit of hostility that seemed to be directed my way. My response to you was absolutely kind. You seemed so misguided in your Princeton post, that I felt it my duty to enlighten you. Your friend, the "recent Princeton grad"--who implied I should hold my breath until I no longer had the choice to, seemed a bit hostile, as well.

Edited to add: You also "feel" that it isn't fair to criticize Kerry's Viet Nam service because Bush didn't serve in Viet Nam. This is nonsense. We criticize candidates' records--be it service, management, etc. By your argument, we cannot criticize Kerry's Senatorial record, because Bush wasn't a Senator. Or, we can't criticize Bush's record as Governor, because Kerry is a Senator. Where is the logic in this argument?

Furthermore, my original post wasn't criticizing Kerry's service record, it was critical of Kerry's lawyers' heavy-handed tactics in their attempt to suppress the SBV's allegation(s). It was also questioning why Kerry's lawyers felt they should threaten the TV stations who wanted to run the ads, rather than the SBV.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by Kendra17

I cannot see how anyone can definitely state that limiting free trade and/or outsourcing is bad for the economy. It also forces us to think creatively, produce new and different goods to compete--increasing the need for Americans and their products in our global system.

I originally said that outsourcing contributed more to unemployment than the President did...

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
I originally said that outsourcing contributed more to unemployment than the President did...

yes, you did say that! I was making more of a general comment.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Well, I'm certainly glad this wasn't one of those times you chose not to justify yourself!

You can "feel" what you want. Feelings are not fact. This doesn't change the fact that there are many people who have signed affidavits accusing Kerry of wrongdoing and lies.

There is a possibility that I misread your original comment, but I clearly detected a bit of hostility that seemed to be directed at me. My response to you was absolutely kind. You seemed so misguided in your Princeton post, that I felt it my duty to enlighten you. Your friend, the "recent Princeton grad"--who implied I should hold my breath until I no longer had the choice to, seemed a bit hostile, as well,

Well, maybe if you think Dana and I am coming off hostile you need to reevaluate what you are saying on here.

I really know nothing about you. For all I know, you may just want to keep the Country Club from becomming integrated, or something.

I've been reading Dana's posts for awhile, and I feel that you have misjudged her.

The Drudge isn't exactly full of reliable "facts" but carry on. Like I said before your posts speak for themselves.

 

[gometros]

Originally posted by shrubber
Providing a refuge of personal freedom and responsibility.

For fun replace 'foreign workers' with' people eager to better themselves 'and read that post again.
Also try replacing ' few very rich individuals' with 'American citizen'

And how does sending jobs off-shore and importing foreign workers help American Citizens? You can talk free trade all you want, but for a president who is building a platform on a better America, I don't see where this makes for a better America.

A little over a year ago, I heard the president make a speech where he blame the increase in IT unemployment on their lack of keeping up with their skills. He lost my respect that very day. INstead of trying to blame the people, he should have shouldered the blame himself and admitted that we have let too many American jobs go to too mmany foreign countries. That does not make for a better America.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Well, maybe if you think Dana and I am coming off hostile you need to reevaluate what you are saying on here.

I really know nothing about you. For all I know, you may just want to keep the Country Club from becomming integrated, or something.

I've been reading Dana's posts for awhile, and I feel that you have misjudged her.

The Drudge isn't exactly full of reliable "facts" but carry on. Like I said before your posts speak for themselves.

I don't know either one of you ,but it's pretty obvious that when someone says I hope you're holding your breath waiting..that's pretty hostile..

the comment about Southerners having heard of Princeton, was an obvious slam of Southern people..

I don't understand why adults can't debate without getting catty...

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
I don't know either one of you ,but it's pretty obvious that when someone says I hope you're holding your breath waiting..that's pretty hostile..

the comment about Southerners having heard of Princeton, was an obvious slam of Southern people..

I don't understand why adults can't debate without getting catty...

Well, I'm definitely not a cat person. I'm also a southerner at heart, so it would be hard for me to slam my kindred spirits.

Oh yeah, and I think you are cattier than I am.

 

[shrubber]

Originally posted by gometros
And how does sending jobs off-shore and importing foreign workers help American Citizens? You can talk free trade all you want, but for a president who is building a platform on a better America, I don't see where this makes for a better America.

A little over a year ago, I heard the president make a speech where he blame the increase in IT unemployment on their lack of keeping up with their skills. He lost my respect that very day. INstead of trying to blame the people, he should have shouldered the blame himself and admitted that we have let too many American jobs go to too mmany foreign countries. That does not make for a better America.

Wait a minute ..The President of the United States is responsible for IT jobs being outsourced?
Really gometros.
It is the goverments responsibility to make sure that outdated job skills ( and jobs ) are protected?

 

[jrydberg]

In my experience, it is VERY difficult to interpret the tone of internet posts. Many people take offense at things where no offense was really intended (I've been on both sides of that here at one point or another). It seems an awful lot easier to get offended by posts than it does talking in person. Bear that in mind and smile

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Well, I'm definitely not a cat person. I'm also a southerner at heart, so it would be hard for me to slam my kindred spirits.

Oh yeah, and I think you are cattier than I am.

Ok now I'm really confused....how else could this be interpreted other than a slam on a southerner..."She's a recent Princeton grad so she probably has better things to do. You have heard of Princetown down in Nashville, right? "



also, what have I said or done that is catty...

 

[louie694]

Originally posted by shrubber
Wait a minute ..The President of the United States is responsible for IT jobs being outsourced?
Really gometros.
It is the goverments responsibility to make sure that outdated job skills ( and jobs ) are protected?

Well, yes it is. The President has to secure employment for the people. That is why Kerry needs to be elected. George Bush is all about out-sourcing. Look at Haliburton in Iraq! Look at all the companies operating in Iraq, hiring Iraqi Republican Guards! These are probably the same people who hid Saddam, broke into the Art Museum and are protecting bin Laden. And there are North Koreans there, too! All of these jobs should be held by Americans! Kerry will bring these companies home and brand them with a scarlet B for benedict arnold. bush is not for jobs, kerry is! bush is a militarist and kerry is a military person! we need to get our people back to work in their outmoded industries and obsolete positions! kerry will help us! we need the same kind of support and hard work that kerry gave to the people of massachusetts! it doesn't matter that he missed all those votes. it doesn't matter that he thinks the terrorists are just criminals who ought to be handled in the justice system rather than by our military. we need the un! look at all of our friends, they are so mad at us.

 

[shrubber]

Originally posted by louie694
Well, yes it is. The President has to secure employment for the people. That is why Kerry needs to be elected. George Bush is all about out-sourcing. Look at Haliburton in Iraq! Look at all the companies operating in Iraq, hiring Iraqi Republican Guards! These are probably the same people who hid Saddam, broke into the Art Museum and are protecting bin Laden. And there are North Koreans there, too! All of these jobs should be held by Americans! Kerry will bring these companies home and brand them with a scarlet B for benedict arnold. bush is not for jobs, kerry is! bush is a militarist and kerry is a military person! we need to get our people back to work in their outmoded industries and obsolete positions! kerry will help us! we need the same kind of support and hard work that kerry gave to the people of massachusetts! it doesn't matter that he missed all those votes. it doesn't matter that he thinks the terrorists are just criminals who ought to be handled in the justice system rather than by our military. we need the un! look at all of our friends, they are so mad at us.

Thats great!

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
Ok now I'm really confused....how else could this be interpreted other than a slam on a southerner..."She's a recent Princeton grad so she probably has better things to do. You have heard of Princetown down in Nashville, right? "



also, what have I said or done that is catty...

Well first of all she called Dana a democrat. Is Dana a democrat? I don't recall her stating her preference, do you?

I grew up in the south, Mickey, you don't read my posts, eh! So you've been too busy attending too many snake handling festivals to care, huh?

Mickey, I am kidding , you are way too fervent and serious to laugh at something??

To imply that one is catty is really a sexist description. It means that one is jealous of other women, and enjoys fighting only with them. I'm not really the jealous type, I enjoy celebrating other women's beauty and successes. I guess that is one reason why I stuck up for Dana.

If you are really catty, I guess that deserves further analysis. Do you criticize men too?

 

[caitycaity]

Look at Haliburton in Iraq!

let me say, i'm no bush fan and i plan to vote for kerry, but hiring halliburton (and other companies) to do contract work in iraq has nothing to do with outsourcing jobs out of the US. halliburton, afaik, is an american company.