The answer to $15.00 Hour fast food restaurant wages

I own a few retail stores. You want me to pay my employees more? Stop trying to get the price of an item lower and then asking for freebies. Those cost me money. Close to 33% of my weekly payroll goes to taxes of some kind. I would love to give that to my employees instead.
 
Not so fast on the multiple jobs, what most of these bottom feeder employers also want is a "Flexible" schedule, so they email you sunday night for the next week hours

My son has his first entry level job at an ice cream store. Their employees have on-call days, where they aren't on the schedule, but they can't plan anything else with their lives because they might get called in. That should be illegal for minimum wage jobs.
 
So, if fast food workers are worth $15 an hour, what are these Disney workers worth?

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=The_Walt_Disney_Company/Hourly_Rate#by_Job

Employer: The Walt Disney Company Median Hourly Rate by Job
Job
National Hourly Rate Data PayScale survey.

Bus Driver

$12.79
Concierge

$10.34


Project Coordinator, (Unknown Type / General)

$23.34


Guest Services Agent

$12.74


Reservations Sales Agent

$12.34


Secretary

$17.01


Production Assistant

$17.60


How much more are YOU willing to pay at Disney for those people to make more money?
Take it out of executive pay.
 

Well, it seems the FF workers have a national movement going so it can't be that difficult.

I still remember walking past an Einsteins bagels downtown with my Dh and chuckling that the workers there made more hourly than he did AND had weekends off.

I think we just disagree on the fundamentals of what needs changed. I don't think you can take a job not meant to support families and then expect it to support a family somehow. I don't agree with everything about the system, but it's not always the system that needs changing.

FF workers have a national movement going because nearly all of them are living the reality of this issue. If half the country's fast food workers were making $15+, the national movement would have fallen flat... and the situation of the higher-paid workers would undermine the public perception of their cause. Which is exactly what would happen if someone tried to organize this issue around EMTs - people who know their local EMTs are making much more than $15/hr would view (and call out) the effort as lies and distortion.

And no, it isn't always the system that needs fixed. But the growth of wage inequality is a system-wide problem that has developed over the last few decades. It isn't "just how it is", as though it is some immutable fact of a primarily capitalist system. And when the minimum wage was created, it wasn't intended as a sub-subsistence level wage not intended to support the worker. It was intended to assure no hard working person was living in poverty or depending on government hand-outs to get by. We've forgotten that in the "Its for teenagers" rhetoric opponents of a higher minimum use to make their case.

The track our country is on now is brutal for the working class. We have capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich. It is as though we went back to the Great Depression and instead of the WPA and TVA and other works programs to help the everyday people, instead the gov simply compensated banks and investors for their losses. The entire recovery from this recession has been on Wall Street. Wages aren't growing, unemployment is only low because the share of the population being counted as part of the workforce is at/near historic lows, and the fastest growing job fields are mostly low-wage, dead-end positions. Something has got to change.

Having over-qualified employees doesn't change the fact that the jobs are still unskilled jobs. You can't confuse the person with the job.

And that's why this issue takes a systemic solution, not an individual one. Because the problem is structural - our economy is structured in such a way that 42% of jobs pay less than a living wage. No amount of preaching at a particular individual to make better choices can fix that.

I think when people go to college, they should be very judicious in choosing a career path. MBAs, Lawyers, teachers- those markets have been flooded since before the recession. When looking at educational options, people should do some research and go toward a field that has job growth potential and stability.

The same thing is happening right now with nurse practitioners. There has been a big rush among many RNs to go back to school and become NPs. Now the market is saturated with NP grads who have $60k-$100k in student loans and can't find jobs paying more than about $60k a year. Meanwhile bedside nurses and nurse educators are being offered way more than those with the higher degrees, because those jobs are heavy workload careers that most people do to want to deal with for very long.

We do a poor job in this country of helping people select college majors. 18 year old kids choosing $80k degrees in English or Psych, colleges and parents should be ashamed.

But when only a minority of professions pay enough to live on, to raise a family on, then what? And when people stop choosing to go into teaching or nursing or other "not worth the degree" professions, many of which are public sector and as such bound by forces other than the market that render them unable to simply raise pay to attract applicants?

The cost of labour is typically the largest cost an employer has. If a small business is forced to increase the hourly wage it pays its employees it will look cut costs and most small businesses have stated that means hiring fewer employees or laying off existing employees. How does that help?

But that ignores the effect of increased business volume. In places where the minimum wage went up in recent years, evidence is that more spending at restaurants and shops and service providers offset the higher labor costs. I'm not saying no business was negatively impacted - if that was our standard, nothing could ever change, no environmental standards, no property tax increases, nothing - but the net effect has been positive in the places this has been tried so far. Because low wage workers spend nearly every dollar they earn, so increasing their wages results in an immediate bump in spending in the area.

Did you all know that less than 4% of hourly workers (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics) are paid at or below the federal minimum wage?

The rest of the hourly workers are paid above federal minimum wage. Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong (which it's getting late and I very well might be thinking about this incorrectly), but doesn't it seem weird that the 4% are trying to change so much for the overwhelming majority?

My Economics professors brought this point up and I thought it was interesting.

That figure is somewhat misleading... the federal minimum has been unchanged so long that a majority states have imposed higher minimums on their own. And that includes most of the states that are home to America's largest cities, like CA, MA, IL and NY. So every worker in those states (29 states in all) is making more than the federal minimum, though often not by much ($7.50 to $8.xx in most).

The more important figure, IMO, is that 42% of American jobs pay less than $15/hr. That's why there's a national movement, not because of the small percentage actually earning the federal minimum.
 
Because in today's culture its not fair that those that bettered themselves to get that executive position make more money than those who aren't willing too put in the effort it takes to be an executive.

There's so much more to it than that. I'm sorry, it's just not that simple. For every executive at the top there are countless people who made the same efforts with the same education, etc. etc.

I have no problems with executives making more. The system is broken though. In 1965 executive pay was about 20:1 against the average worker. Today it has skyrocketed to 475:1 (substantially higher than any other nation) while wages for everybody else are stagnating.

My generation is seeing lower wages and expendable income (adjusted for inflation) than our parents generations for the same experience and education. That's not about hard work and bettering oneself.

Now, in a perfectly Capitalistic world, everything will bounce back to what the market will bear. We may just destroy a generation financially before we get there. We also have factors that benefit larger corporations that will slow this down.

I agree all individuals should better themselves. But even if every person got the same education and put in the same effort, nothing would change. It's still a numbers game of jobs to workers. There would always be some criteria that meant a large percentage of people are in low skilled-low paid jobs.
 
I understand Capitalism now. I also understand the damage being done to our country by unchecked greed and total lack of concern for others. A poster on this thread complained that her EMT husband, after 3 years was still making less than $12.00 per hour. She didn't want fast food workers making more than he does. But if fast food workers get that $15.00 minimum wage, her husband will get a raise. His employer will have to pay him more, because he can threaten to quit and get a fast food job. All the other EMTs can do the same. Since the employer needs EMTs, he will have to pay them what they're worth. I'm not quoting anyone else or speculating--I've actually been through this scenario, more than once. Like someone else said, a rising tide lifts everyone. The billionaires and Fox news don't want you to know that--they want you to believe the catastrophizing, doom and gloom they are prophesying, but this country did just fine in the fifties with unions, pensions and a living wage. It can do so again, if we all think for ourselves.

This is a lovely line of thinking, but not the reality of what would happen in the ripple effect of FF workers getting $15/hr.

And for the record, I wasn't complaining. I said I wouldn't support the movement and said why. In my reality, this is what the job paid with various companies. We wanted to make more, so DH went to nursing school while he worked at a hospital. Four days of school/clinicals per week and 3 days of 12 hours shifts, all with a family. It was brutal and exhausting, and now he's a nurse making a great salary because HE did something about his situation and made some sacrifices for a couple of years. He didn't expect some bizarre trickle effect.
 
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Because in today's culture its not fair that those that bettered themselves to get that executive position make more money than those who aren't willing too put in the effort it takes to be an executive.

Has anyone suggested the CEO take the same pay as the cashier? No. But you don't think there's something wrong with the fact that executive compensation has more than tripled in a time when worker wages are stagnant and businesses are lobbying against any effort to increase wages or benefits (whether in the form of govt regulation or employee organization)?

The problem - and one that affects us all, even if we personally made all the "right" choices and haven't made less than $15/hr since our teens - is that we're not a manufacturing economy any more. We're a service/consumer economy. And the thing that keeps a service/consumer economy running is consumer spending. If we continue to accept a system that erodes the size of the middle class and the buying power of the lower/working class, that economy cannot grow and will inevitably have to shrink. One household earning 1mil may spend freely on luxuries, but still doesn't generate as much economic activity as 20 households making 50K. And wealth (or its usual ideological pairing - low taxes) doesn't create jobs. The only thing that causes employees to hire is enough consumer demand to justify additional staff. And that comes from consumer spending.
 
And I don't see this weird it's FF or executive work issue. There's plenty of work that doesn't require higher education.

My company will higher you with a high school degree and no experience as a debt collector. They start at $12/hr with low level debts. If you work hard you'll move up to higher level debts and earn commission on top of it. You get raises every year for just doing your job. And the company is darn cool - not your average berating collectors. Made a department to help debtors find jobs for free if they're unemployed.

There's plenty of jobs like this. It's not all or nothing. But they may not have a desirable schedule or it might be a longer commute. I think it's a very gimme society and people don't want to work hard. I'm still baffled by my friends husband who job hopped constantly because he felt he should walk into a job as a chef instead of working his way up. Took my friend 10+ years to become a head chef. Ridiculous.
 
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I own a few retail stores. You want me to pay my employees more? Stop trying to get the price of an item lower and then asking for freebies. Those cost me money. Close to 33% of my weekly payroll goes to taxes of some kind. I would love to give that to my employees instead.


Easy peasy. Just take it all out of your profits. :rolleyes1
 
Because in today's culture its not fair that those that bettered themselves to get that executive position make more money than those who aren't willing too put in the effort it takes to be an executive.

I agree with you..to a point.

If I compare (again) my 1980 minimum wage job at $3.75 an hour (converts to $10.10 today), it is clear that the minimum wage at that time was set at a point that made entry level workers more cash. The minimum wage has NOT kept up with inflation. What have we all learned about CEO/executive pay? It has FAR exceeded the ratios of what the top earn in comparison to their workers. That has gone way out of sync. That's why some on this thread are arguing to cut executive/CEO pay to get back down to a more reasonable disparity between workers and execs. Since employees have just about ZERO protections anymore, this is what is happening. Way more money lining pockets of CEOs, while less and less go to workers and their benefits. There has to be a system in place that protects both workers and owners. Otherwise, we devolve into what we are already headed into which is a huge class of low income folks and a narrow band of wealth.
 
Those who want that $15 an hour wage? What are you willing to do to to make it profitable for companies to pay that?

Stop getting free ice water at Disney? Buy the bottles of water or sodas?
Stop bringing in your own meals and snacks at Disney and buy the food there?
Pay more for the hotel? (look at the thread on WDW hotels looking at adding resort fees, it's a riot)
Buy your souvenirs at Disney?

Post after post on the Dis about how to save money when going to Disney or cruises or to Aulani. Why not just suck it up and pay so that Disney can pay its CMs $15+ an hour?


Eat more fast food? McDonald's 1x a week instead of 1x a month?
Pay more at a restaurant? Don't share entrees? Get an appetizer and a dessert, and drinks, to bump up your bill?
Shop at your local businesses more, and pay more for that book or latte than you would at a national chain?

Companies do not exist solely to pay people for working. They exist to make money. If they don't make money, they fail. Companies don't want to cut into their profits.
 
I don't support the movement for several reasons.

The biggest one however is that no matter what in a society someone is going to be at the bottom rung of getting paid. No matter what that person is going to feel like their salary is unlivable especially if they are also trying to raise a family while they are on the bottom rung of getting paid. It doesn't matter if you pay them $15 an hour. That will feel amazing for a bit but then prices of everything are going to skyrocket until it feels exactly like what today feels like.

I don't believe in paying people what they need but only what they earn. Paying people what they need would mean that the high schooler should get paid less then the mom of 2 just because the high schooler doesn't have to pay rent. Even though they do the same job and frankly at least in my area... I try to get into the lines of the younger workers most of the time they do a much better job than the older employees in the store.

If the price were to raise anyone making under 15 an hour now is going to go to 15 an hour. So if you make 11 an hour in a state where the minimum wage is 9 right now your making $2 an hour over minimum wage. If your working full time that means over $4K a year over minimum wage. You probably worked for the raise that got you there. Except now your going to make the same as the person that started yesterday. They aren't going to raise everyone's pay. Oh and since the prices are going to go up (especially once all the other industries start having to pay more too) your going to actually have less spending power then you did.
 
I agree with you..to a point.

If I compare (again) my 1980 minimum wage job at $3.75 an hour (converts to $10.10 today), it is clear that the minimum wage at that time was set at a point that made entry level workers more cash. The minimum wage has NOT kept up with inflation. What have we all learned about CEO/executive pay? It has FAR exceeded the ratios of what the top earn in comparison to their workers. That has gone way out of sync. That's why some on this thread are arguing to cut executive/CEO pay to get back down to a more reasonable disparity between workers and execs. Since employees have just about ZERO protections anymore, this is what is happening. Way more money lining pockets of CEOs, while less and less go to workers and their benefits. There has to be a system in place that protects both workers and owners. Otherwise, we devolve into what we are already headed into which is a huge class of low income folks and a narrow band of wealth.

So, are YOU willing to take a pay cut to get more money into someone else's pocket?
 
Those who want that $15 an hour wage? What are you willing to do to to make it profitable for companies to pay that?

Stop getting free ice water at Disney? Buy the bottles of water or sodas?
Stop bringing in your own meals and snacks at Disney and buy the food there?
Pay more for the hotel? (look at the thread on WDW hotels looking at adding resort fees, it's a riot)
Buy your souvenirs at Disney?

Post after post on the Dis about how to save money when going to Disney or cruises or to Aulani. Why not just suck it up and pay so that Disney can pay its CMs $15+ an hour?


Eat more fast food? McDonald's 1x a week instead of 1x a month?
Pay more at a restaurant? Don't share entrees? Get an appetizer and a dessert, and drinks, to bump up your bill?
Shop at your local businesses more, and pay more for that book or latte than you would at a national chain?

Companies do not exist solely to pay people for working. They exist to make money. If they don't make money, they fail. Companies don't want to cut into their profits.


No, customers aren't supposed to make adjustments to pay for it.

It's all supposed to come out of profits.
 
No, customers aren't supposed to make adjustments to pay for it.

It's all supposed to come out of profits.

Do you seriously think that is where it will come from???
Yes, Disney will say to its stockholders "Sorry, you don't get a big annual check this year. We used that money to up the salary of the CMs."...
 












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