Texas kills fancy last meal requests on death row

There are states that put a cap - either monetary or otherwise (like some will only provide something that can be made with what's on hand in the prison kitchen, etc.) - on a last meal request.

Texas certainly could have just done that instead of killing the practice of a last meal altogether. As it's Texas, however...

I figure the SECOND chicken fried steak was the straw that broke the camel's back. To waste ONE CFS is a sin. To waste TWO......? That's practically a mortal sin and will prompt cries of, "Get a rope!" But since they were already at the "get a rope" stage of the game with this guy, maybe they just decided the best they could do was to make certain it never happened again. And by the way, the last meals do come from the prison cafeteria from all reports. Not some restaurant. I don't think the triple cheeseburger is standard fare....they just stacked one up for him.

Make no mistake. This was not a guy losing his appetite after placing an order for a MASSIVE meal. This was an (expletive) being an (expletive) one last time and flipping off Texas the best way he could. He was unrepenant trash until the end, true to form. His little stunt resulted in the end of "last meals" for those about to be executed. I won't lose any sleep over it.
 
Yes they deserve to die but the concept that another human should decide on whether someone lives or dies is immoral. Two wrongs don't make a right despite taxpayer's money. By killing a criminal you now have blood on your hands like he did.

How would you think about this if youre child was raped,killed and thrown away like a bag of garbage?
 
How would you think about this if youre child was raped,killed and thrown away like a bag of garbage?

I don't know if people know HOW they would feel. Most people will be lucky enough to live thier whole life without ever losing a loved one to murder, thankfully.

I know how I feel, however. I was pro-death penalty before this happened, but after......well, no doubt afterward.

I grew up in a small town with a boy who went to the same church. When you live in a town that small, (and especially if you attend the same church) you know the other kids like your brothers and sisters. You know their siblings, their parents, when they get in trouble, when their grandparents pass away.....You know them like the back of your hand.

This boy was as nice and kind as good be. The whole family was nice. The dad died when we were in high school and that was hard on them. The mom had been a SAHM and had to figure out how to take care of the family financially. Like most moms, she kept her head above water for her kids. They pulled together and went on. He graduated and went to college. We didn't have a super high percentage of kids that went on to college, so of course that made his mother proud. I went on to college a year later.

He got a job to help pay his way through. He was going to be either a youth minister or music minister....I can't remember after all these years. Like I said, a GOOD guy. Never gave anyone a minute's trouble and would have been a huge asset to society. I was at college and watching the news when I heard the report of the murder. I don't think they gave his name....I seem to remember someone from home called me and asked if I had heard about the murder. Considering how far it was from our hometown, I wondered why they even knew about it. Then they told me he had been one of the people killed. I could not believe it. That kind, gentle guy I'd known since elementary had been slaughtered at his workplace during a robbery, along with several coworkers.

His mother fell apart. She had lost her husband and now her only son. Her DD said her mom spent hours at the grave. The robbers got precious little money, BTW. We heard that of all the victims, his throat alone was not slit. More than one of us figured, knowing him, that he was praying out loud as it was going on and even those killers might have balked at slitting a praying man's throat. But we'll never know. I don't know anything about the other people murdered. My friend had just started work there a few days earlier, I believe.

If you add up every one of the killers involved, their lives in total we not worth that of my friend. As good as he was, they were bad. As much as he would have contributed to society, each of them took away and more. I don't think they all got the death penalty, as some were under 18. But some did. And some have been put to death. I know because I followed the case for years. I had to know they were GONE.

I am not joking when I say I would have flipped the switch myself on any of them. They were pure evil and devasted the families of all those they murdered. All for a few dollars. I think about him from time to time. He'll never catch up with me at a homecoming and show me pictures of his wife and kids. I'll never run into his mom when I go back home for a visit and have her mommy brag about his church work. Who knows how many people he would have helped over the years who were robbed of that?

I was already pro-death penalty, but in their case I was beyond pro death-penalty.
 
I don't know if people know HOW they would feel. Most people will be lucky enough to live thier whole life without ever losing a loved one to murder, thankfully.

I know how I feel, however. I was pro-death penalty before this happened, but after......well, no doubt afterward.

I grew up in a small town with a boy who went to the same church. When you live in a town that small, (and especially if you attend the same church) you know the other kids like your brothers and sisters. You know their siblings, their parents, when they get in trouble, when their grandparents pass away.....You know them like the back of your hand.

This boy was as nice and kind as good be. The whole family was nice. The dad died when we were in high school and that was hard on them. The mom had been a SAHM and had to figure out how to take care of the family financially. Like most moms, she kept her head above water for her kids. They pulled together and went on. He graduated and went to college. We didn't have a super high percentage of kids that went on to college, so of course that made his mother proud. I went on to college a year later.

He got a job to help pay his way through. He was going to be either a youth minister or music minister....I can't remember after all these years. Like I said, a GOOD guy. Never gave anyone a minute's trouble and would have been a huge asset to society. I was at college and watching the news when I heard the report of the murder. I don't think they gave his name....I seem to remember someone from home called me and asked if I had heard about the murder. Considering how far it was from our hometown, I wondered why they even knew about it. Then they told me he had been one of the people killed. I could not believe it. That kind, gentle guy I'd known since elementary had been slaughtered at his workplace during a robbery, along with several coworkers.

His mother fell apart. She had lost her husband and now her only son. Her DD said her mom spent hours at the grave. The robbers got precious little money, BTW. We heard that of all the victims, his throat alone was not slit. More than one of us figured, knowing him, that he was praying out loud as it was going on and even those killers might have balked at slitting a praying man's throat. But we'll never know. I don't know anything about the other people murdered. My friend had just started work there a few days earlier, I believe.

If you add up every one of the killers involved, their lives in total we not worth that of my friend. As good as he was, they were bad. As much as he would have contributed to society, each of them took away and more. I don't think they all got the death penalty, as some were under 18. But some did. And some have been put to death. I know because I followed the case for years. I had to know they were GONE.

I am not joking when I say I would have flipped the switch myself on any of them. They were pure evil and devasted the families of all those they murdered. All for a few dollars. I think about him from time to time. He'll never catch up with me at a homecoming and show me pictures of his wife and kids. I'll never run into his mom when I go back home for a visit and have her mommy brag about his church work. Who knows how many people he would have helped over the years who were robbed of that?

I was already pro-death penalty, but in their case I was beyond pro death-penalty.

Thank you for sharing this whit us.
Al tough is was not your son it also shows how much impact this can have on a whole community.
 

Just saw this thread and did not read all of it but my question is why do we have to feed them at all? After all they do not need the energy to die....who cares if it is cruel and inhumane. They had so many appeals and probably 3000 more meals then the victim.
 
Since more than 250 prisoners have been released from death row due to DNA evidence, I wouldn't consider it that rare - and thats not counting the people who have been executed, that were later proven innocent.
It's one of those things that can't be undone.

If we as the state kill someone who was not guilty of a crime, we have committed murder, and that's a pretty uncomfortable place to be.

We're not perfect, eyewitnesses can be unreliable, juries can get it wrong, lawyers can be lazy or incompetent, mistakes can get made that carry over into the appeals process.

I don't want to see guilty people have it easy, I'm all for the cement floor, hard labor and crappy food. No cable, no exercise yards, no getting a degree for free if you're guilty of a violent crime. You're in there until you die and you aren't going to have any fun. Whatever work you do will somehow have to benefit the society that you wronged. I think we focus too much energy trying to rehab people who can't be rehab'ed.
 
How would you think about this if youre child was raped,killed and thrown away like a bag of garbage?

About 12 years ago, a man was mistaken released from jail for a serious of really bad offenses. He knew it was a mistake and knew he probably wasn't ever going to see the outside of the world once the authorities figured out they'd just released him to the world instead of releasing him to the next set of jailors, which is what should have happened.

So he went and first tried to kidnap a girl from the local school in the community we lived in. The target ran into the building as fast as she could and straight to the principal. So he kept looking. Well, he came upon a really nice little trailer park not far from the main highway. A bunch of kids were outside playing. One was a 4 year old girl. Her momma had to go to the bathroom, so she ran inside and told the little girl to stay in their yard, which the little girl did.

This monster, in full view of the other children playing, snatched up the little girl.

He took her and he raped her and he hurt her as much as he could and then he killed her and left her body in a local cemetery. He was captured and led the police straight to the body.

A few months later, the father of this little girl was killed by a drunk driver.

At the sentencing portion of the trial for the creature that murdered her little girl, the mother testified that she did not want the death penalty for this man. She was a devout Christian and her faith does not teach an eye for an eye; it is directly against the words of Christ to want that. In addition, from what she said, I think she realized that if her life focused on just wanting that man dead, that's all she would be and she'd lost too much too fast too hard to lose the good parts of herself; those were the parts of her that had been loved by her daughter and her husband.

I can only hope that if something terrible like that happened to me that I would be as strong and as good a person as this woman. She inspired me.
 
About 12 years ago, a man was mistaken released from jail for a serious of really bad offenses. He knew it was a mistake and knew he probably wasn't ever going to see the outside of the world once the authorities figured out they'd just released him to the world instead of releasing him to the next set of jailors, which is what should have happened.

So he went and first tried to kidnap a girl from the local school in the community we lived in. The target ran into the building as fast as she could and straight to the principal. So he kept looking. Well, he came upon a really nice little trailer park not far from the main highway. A bunch of kids were outside playing. One was a 4 year old girl. Her momma had to go to the bathroom, so she ran inside and told the little girl to stay in their yard, which the little girl did.

This monster, in full view of the other children playing, snatched up the little girl.

He took her and he raped her and he hurt her as much as he could and then he killed her and left her body in a local cemetery. He was captured and led the police straight to the body.

A few months later, the father of this little girl was killed by a drunk driver.

At the sentencing portion of the trial for the creature that murdered her little girl, the mother testified that she did not want the death penalty for this man. She was a devout Christian and her faith does not teach an eye for an eye; it is directly against the words of Christ to want that. In addition, from what she said, I think she realized that if her life focused on just wanting that man dead, that's all she would be and she'd lost too much too fast too hard to lose the good parts of herself; those were the parts of her that had been loved by her daughter and her husband.

I can only hope that if something terrible like that happened to me that I would be as strong and as good a person as this woman. She inspired me.

And should that man ever be "mistakeningly released" again to commit further crimes hopefully some of us will be inspired to seek future protection from him.
 
Why not? Who cares if they want KFC or something... It isn't like their executing on a daily basis.
 
Brewer was disgusting... however I do think that the tradition of giving a condemned person a special last meal should be continued.

Why? Because he was considerate enough to ask his victim what he wanted to eat before dragging him to a painful death behind a vehicle?
 
Why not? Who cares if they want KFC or something... It isn't like their executing on a daily basis.

why should they be rewarded for doing something heinous?

These are evil people who would kill the person bringing them the last meal if they thought it would get them out of there, or heck for many of them just for the thrill of it.

If you've never looked evil in the eye you don't know the difference in these evil sick creatures and a human being.




With the extensive appeals we have in this country the chance of a truly innocent person being sent to their death is extremely slim and one I'm willing to accept to get these scum away from ever hurting any other person again, whether it be innocent victim, other inmates or even the guards and other workers who have to face these monsters every day.
 
Just saw this thread and did not read all of it but my question is why do we have to feed them at all? After all they do not need the energy to die....who cares if it is cruel and inhumane. They had so many appeals and probably 3000 more meals then the victim.

The Constitution.
 
why should they be rewarded for doing something heinous?

These are evil people who would kill the person bringing them the last meal if they thought it would get them out of there, or heck for many of them just for the thrill of it.

If you've never looked evil in the eye you don't know the difference in these evil sick creatures and a human being.

With the extensive appeals we have in this country the chance of a truly innocent person being sent to their death is extremely slim and one I'm willing to accept to get these scum away from ever hurting any other person again, whether it be innocent victim, other inmates or even the guards and other workers who have to face these monsters every day.

Except it doesn't appear to be slim at all. Ask the governour of Illinois. Ask the people at the IP, ask the people at the SPLC, etc. Aslk the HUNDREDS of people who've been exonerated and freed from Death Row over the past decade.

As for killing people so prison guards don't have to look at them...? Seriously? Come on.
 
With the extensive appeals we have in this country the chance of a truly innocent person being sent to their death is extremely slim day.

wrong. Mistakes are made way too often. There bare plenty of examples out there. Would you like a list?
 
wrong. Mistakes are made way too often. There bare plenty of examples out there. Would you like a list?

still not as many as there are victims.

I can live with it just fine.

The vast majority of people being sent to death row are not first time offenders unless what they did was truly heinous.
 
As for killing people so prison guards don't have to look at them...? Seriously? Come on.


Who said look at them? I said deal with as in work with them.

May I ask have you ever had to work with them? have you ever had to turn your back to them or be exposed to them? I have.

It isn't a good feeling and is extremely dangerous.
 
still not as many as there are victims.

I can live with it just fine.

The vast majority of people being sent to death row are not first time offenders unless what they did was truly heinous.

Great, so the whole guiding principle of our justice system, the idea underpinning the entire thing - better 10 guilty go free than one innocent be punished - should be out the window because you can life with it just fine?

Again, in many cases, they didn't do anything. And 'well they probably did something, they'd been in jail before' has infuriated children forever, we're not applying it to offenders.

As for look at them/deal with them, you said 'face them.' It's a guard's JOB to deal with the inmates in a prison. You're suggesting killing people because there are a couple of twitchy, angry guards? Again, I go to 'seriously?'
 
As for look at them/deal with them, you said 'face them.' It's a guard's JOB to deal with the inmates in a prison. You're suggesting killing people because there are a couple of twitchy, angry guards? Again, I go to 'seriously?'


I said deal with them. You still aren't answering the question. It is easy to sit at your computer and spout off things. Have you ever put your life on the line everyday you went to work? Have you ever had to work with someone who would kill you as soon as they would look at you? Why expose hard working people to this danger when it can be avoided.and I'm talking many more people than just guards.
 












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