teachers, what would your punishment be

Not trying to steal your thread but I have a ??? for you teachers out there too.

Not a teacher...a mom & step-Mom here. My dss (13) got a 3 hour after school detention the Friday before Valentine. The story we got was that a boy next to him said somthing in return another boy laughed, Austin says he was not lauhing. The teacher sent them him & the other two boys to the hall. While out there one of the other boys burped loudly many times. The burping was "blamed" on Austin and that is why he got the detention. However another teacher saw and heard Austin do it.

It seems like everytime he gets in trouble it "was not him none of us (his Mom, Dad or I) are stupid enough to belive he is just a victim of circumstance. My question is it normal for teenage boys to be such liar? Should punishment be handed out @ home or not. I say he should be punished for lying his Mom says no. Just wondering what everyone else thinks.

It's normal for any aged child to lie if they can get away with it unpunished. I certainly think the parent should come down on him for lying to her, but I find it's very difficult to convince other parents how to parent. ;)
 
I'm a highschool teacher, and so we learn to pick our battles, and this is not a battle that I would fight. Also, as a Special Education English teacher, it bothers me that teachers still use archaic writing assignments, such as essays or lines as punishment. All this does is have the kids hate English and this is not good at all. I'm sorry, but most of the responses here show a lack of understanding of kids of this age - kids lack respect for many reasons, many of which is that they learn it from the adults around them. Let us not forget that, and so writing out an essay about it is an isolatory punishment. Kids of that age are clowns and attention seekers in many situations, and having them write lines or an essay is not going to stop that behaviour at all as many adults burp in public too.

I would have just spoken to the kids in private and let it go. Burping is the least of our issues these days, believe me...

Tiger
I am a High school teacher and I TOTALLY disagree. Many of the students I see nhave no respect for authority b/c there have never been consequences for thier actions. Disrepect for any one, myself, their classmates, or visitors to my room is not tolerated. While I agree that a writing assignment is not the best form of discipline there have to be consequences for disrespect. I fell that if my students do not have some sort of respect for me and their peers my ability to teach is severly limited. why sould they listen to anything I say or ask them to do if they do not respect me? The classroom would be reduced to chaos. Little issues lead to bigger ones. Soemtimes the best way to deal with the big issues is to get rid of the little ones first. The fisrt time it happens they probably would have gotten a lecture about manners. If it happened agian I would be sending the to a administator who would probably assign them to afterschool detention where they do campus cleanup. after that it would be in school suspension or being sent home. At that point it is no longer about burping in class. It is about respect for authouity. They would be bieng purposely defiant. It sounds to be like it is probably not the first time they have done something like this.
 
Not trying to steal your thread but I have a ??? for you teachers out there too.

Not a teacher...a mom & step-Mom here. My dss (13) got a 3 hour after school detention the Friday before Valentine. The story we got was that a boy next to him said somthing in return another boy laughed, Austin says he was not lauhing. The teacher sent them him & the other two boys to the hall. While out there one of the other boys burped loudly many times. The burping was "blamed" on Austin and that is why he got the detention. However another teacher saw and heard Austin do it.

It seems like everytime he gets in trouble it "was not him none of us (his Mom, Dad or I) are stupid enough to belive he is just a victim of circumstance. My question is it normal for teenage boys to be such liar? Should punishment be handed out @ home or not. I say he should be punished for lying his Mom says no. Just wondering what everyone else thinks.

A 7th and 8th grade teacher here....yes, it is normal (acceptable, no, but happens quite a bit) for then to lie or blame others at this age. It is hardly EVER their fault! lol
 

Just wanted to add my two sense, as a first grade/second grade teacher. The kids in my class HATE TO WRITE. Hate it! Part of the reason is that they are special ed children and it is hard for them to write, so its easier just to hate it. But I wanted to agree with a PP, and say that I hate using writing as a punishment! We should encourage our students to express themselves on paper, not use it as a form of consequence!
I agree. I hate when people use reading as a punishment too.

Not trying to steal your thread but I have a ??? for you teachers out there too.

Not a teacher...a mom & step-Mom here. My dss (13) got a 3 hour after school detention the Friday before Valentine. The story we got was that a boy next to him said somthing in return another boy laughed, Austin says he was not lauhing. The teacher sent them him & the other two boys to the hall. While out there one of the other boys burped loudly many times. The burping was "blamed" on Austin and that is why he got the detention. However another teacher saw and heard Austin do it.

It seems like everytime he gets in trouble it "was not him none of us (his Mom, Dad or I) are stupid enough to belive he is just a victim of circumstance. My question is it normal for teenage boys to be such liar? Should punishment be handed out @ home or not. I say he should be punished for lying his Mom says no. Just wondering what everyone else thinks.

I have students that deny everything they do. I can be looking right at them when they hit the kid next to them and when I say, "Why did you hit them?" I get in return, "I didn't hit him" My class this year is weak. I can break them by the second or third time I repeat the same question. You start to see a little half smile crack and they realize they've been caught. The rule in my classroom is, if you admit you did it right away the punishment will be a lot less severe than if you waste my time playing games.
 
As a teacher, I would hardly have given the burp a second thought unless it became an annoying habit.
I would also never question another teacher's punishment. I assume that there was a reason for it, albeit unknown to me.
 
I agree. I hate when people use reading as a punishment too.



I have students that deny everything they do. I can be looking right at them when they hit the kid next to them and when I say, "Why did you hit them?" I get in return, "I didn't hit him" My class this year is weak. I can break them by the second or third time I repeat the same question. You start to see a little half smile crack and they realize they've been caught. The rule in my classroom is, if you admit you did it right away the punishment will be a lot less severe than if you waste my time playing games.

This is sooo true. I is rare for a student to admit that they actually did anything. You are right. You can be looking right at them and they will stiil claim innocence. I caught a kid with a cell phone texting in his lap the other day and told him to hand it over. I have lab tables in my room and could clearly see the phone in his hand under the table. He says "what phone?" I said t"he one in your hand under the table. You forgot i can see under there right?" At that point he knew he was busted and handed it over.
 
As a teacher, unless this was a regular habit of the two boys, they would have gotten a lecture about politeness and that would be it. If it was a constant problem with them, I'd probably take away their free time (break after lunch) first. I never like to make something like writing a punishment. Writing should be enjoyable, but it is sadly boring in school. I would never compound that problem by making it a consequence rather than a real assignment.

I'm with you on the no sympathy though. Once a kid is in school, they are supposed to take any punishment that comes their way for their poor behaviour (with obvious exceptions).
 
I am a High school teacher and I TOTALLY disagree. Many of the students I see nhave no respect for authority b/c there have never been consequences for thier actions. Disrepect for any one, myself, their classmates, or visitors to my room is not tolerated. While I agree that a writing assignment is not the best form of discipline there have to be consequences for disrespect. I fell that if my students do not have some sort of respect for me and their peers my ability to teach is severly limited. why sould they listen to anything I say or ask them to do if they do not respect me? The classroom would be reduced to chaos. Little issues lead to bigger ones. Soemtimes the best way to deal with the big issues is to get rid of the little ones first. The fisrt time it happens they probably would have gotten a lecture about manners. If it happened agian I would be sending the to a administator who would probably assign them to afterschool detention where they do campus cleanup. after that it would be in school suspension or being sent home. At that point it is no longer about burping in class. It is about respect for authouity. They would be bieng purposely defiant. It sounds to be like it is probably not the first time they have done something like this.


I'll guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I teach respect for ALL people, not just because I'm a teacher, or someone in authority (can't stand that concept). That is why kids struggle to respect these days, IMHO. Why should there be different classes of people in which respect is shown? Kids need to show respect in ALL situations - burping is an annoyance, and hardly worthy of a huge essay assignment. Sending kids to the office for burping is totally not how we do things at my alternative school (we have a very high success rate because we utilize creative discipline, differentiated instruction, counselling, time outs, etc.) and honestly, I'm not sure how you can see this works except to get the kids out of your classroom? The consequence doesn't even fit the crime in this respect at all, IMHO.

Like I said, I teach at-risk kids, kids who have mostly no social graces, no manners, addictions, and many of them are ODD (Oppositionally Defiant) and ADHD, and I hardly have any issues in my classes. The teachers who do, are those with an iron fist, shouting out that the kids need to respect them because they are the teacher. I've lived and breathed this for 10 years, and it's amazing what respect is shown in my class to myself and their peers when it's handled in a much different way than just direct punishment (I don't teach punishment either, I refer to it as consequences for actions).

Teachers are varied in their strategies and styles, but this kind of thing I have seen amazing results from for over 10 years now - it's amazing what a positive effect mutual respect and kindness has when it is shared on an equal basis between both adults and kids. My students know that I have little tolerance for swearing and some other nasty habits, but do I send them to the office for it? Absolutely not, after a few reminders and a private talk, it is usually cleared up right away as the kids know I respect them as people and that I recognize that they are seeking attention. Once the attention isn't given, it's over and done with. Making kids write out essays or lines will not teach this mutual respect at all, of this I am positive.

Tiger :)
 
I'm with you on the no sympathy though. Once a kid is in school, they are supposed to take any punishment that comes their way for their poor behaviour (with obvious exceptions).

I know you said with obvious exceptions, but I work with some teachers that should never be allowed to work around children. We are departmentalized and my partner is currently on maternity leave. Her replacement has yelled, screamed and berated kids. I finally had to go to the principal about it when she ripped a book out of one of my students hands because the child had started on an assignment before she said to. :sad2: I was so proud of my class when they came back to me and they all were trying to protect this girl as they told me what happened. Many times kids laugh at other kids that are getting in trouble, but these kids saw something that they knew was wrong and they wanted it fixed. Some teachers don't have good classroom management. With that, you sometimes get punishments that don't fit the crime.
 


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