talking with Teen DD about dating

I say this with the utmost respect as the parent of teens (so much more stress than little ones!) but that boundary list is reads to me that you don't trust your daughter. If my mother had ever talked to me like that, I would not have been seeking her advice after that. It sounds like you and your daughter have a wonderful relationship and I would hate for you to jeopardize that. All a list like that does is encourage lying. I have seen it many times.
IME, it is a better approach to assume that they are bound to be alone at some point and give her knowledge on what to do if she is ever in a situation that she is not comfortable with. While it's fine to give your opinions on intimacy, she also needs practical advice.
For example, you can have a code word/ letter. If she texts you, you call with a family emergency and tell her you are coming to get her. Make sure she knows that you trust her completely, but that sometimes difficult situations occur for all people, including adults, and she can always come to you. Good luck :)
I love this idea! DS had some issues with his GF and requested that we give him a school night curfew (he never had a curfew) so that he could use us as his escape. I have told my kids to use me as the bad guy, does not bother me at all.

When I first read the OP's post, I had the same thought, there is no trust here but upon more reading I think its just a worried Mom who has hit a child rearing area that she is uncomfortable about how to proceed and wants the best for her DD.
 
I want to respond to the specific concern that some have posted around the boundaries that I want to put place in my home. Specifically, that I don't want DD entertaining her BF in her room. I guess I don't see why that is an issue.

I stated that I they can hang out in the "public" areas of our house. That would be the kitchen, dining room, living room, music room, loft, and the game room with others (our game room is a spare bedroom). Now, I never said that she cannot be alone with BF. That is a completely different thing. She can be alone with him in places where the possibility exists that another person can walk through at any point.

I don't expect to supervise these kids like the Duggar family for crying out loud. But, I also don't like the idea of promoting teenage relations in my DD's bedroom. Call me a prude, ok. but, my house, my standards.

I don't expect to speak with his family about this. I intend to speak with DD. I will encourage her to maintain this boundary at his house too. Of course I cannot enforce it. But in my mind, it would be wrong of me to not encourage her to have this as a standard in her life, at this age.

neither of them are old enough to drive. Although DD will get her license in about 3 months, but she won't be able to drive others for another 6 months after that.
 
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I love this idea! DS had some issues with his GF and requested that we give him a school night curfew (he never had a curfew) so that he could use us as his escape. I have told my kids to use me as the bad guy, does not bother me at all.

When I first read the OP's post, I had the same thought, there is no trust here but upon more reading I think its just a worried Mom who has hit a child rearing area that she is uncomfortable about how to proceed and wants the best for her DD.
I am sure you are right and I hope I don't sound too preachy. That was not my intent.
 
I'd be talking less about hard rules and more about boundaries. How to say no, communicating freely, negotiating time frames and comfort levels. We need to empower our children to be in control of awkward conversations and situations, and have an escape plan if needed.

Believe me, at the age I was skipping school or going to friends houses during spares, no parents are home during the day! :smokin:
 

I'd put her on birth control now, and make condoms available to her. Of course have the talks with her about waiting until she's ready and all that, but teen sex often happens spur of the moment, not something very pre-planned, especially pre-planned enough to wait to tell mom and get a doctors appt.
 
Do you know this boy's family? I think one of the reasons our boys never had much drama & picked well was learning by example. Both my xDH & now DH always treated me with kindness, affection & respect. I think the old adage look how he treats his mom, and how his dad treats her that is the best precursor to what she expect.

She needs to demand respect & respect herself, much harder to manipulate & easier to stand her ground if she needs to.

My poor guys all have girls so I know this same deal is coming soon enough.
 
I'd put her on birth control now, and make condoms available to her. Of course have the talks with her about waiting until she's ready and all that, but teen sex often happens spur of the moment, not something very pre-planned, especially pre-planned enough to wait to tell mom and get a doctors appt.
I agree and I did this with my daughter when she was 14 when I saw things headed in that direction with her and her boyfriend. Some people may argue that 14 is to young to be on the BCP but my argument is 14 is to young to be pregnant. I stand by my decision as her and her boyfriend have been dating for a year and a half now and no pregnancy.
 
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We were always open with our son about sex from about 5th grade on, because even at that age, it seemed like the kid's were already in major boyfriend/girlfriend mode. That is one thing I despise about areas in the South where we've lived... It seems like even elementary school activities are designed to promote pairing up. My son had peers in junior high that were definitely having sex, and a couple of girls had babies before they were out of 8th grade. Our motto with him, was "keep the peen zipped in the pants", but if you don't, you better have condoms! We kind of lucked out with his first real girlfriend though, because her dad was the president of a motorcycle club, a la Sons of Anarchy type, and he put the absolute fear of God in my kid. I firmly believe that when it comes to talking about sex with your kids, it's completely in your, and their, best interest to be as frank and repetitive as possible.
 
I'd be talking less about hard rules and more about boundaries. How to say no, communicating freely, negotiating time frames and comfort levels. We need to empower our children to be in control of awkward conversations and situations, and have an escape plan if needed.

Yeah. At 16 you're in between being a "kid" and an adult, but you're a lot closer to the adult end of the spectrum than I think OP realizes. I was in college just a year later at 17. I think the focus needs to be on making responsible, safe decisions and respecting herself, but setting up rules like those is begging for her to get creative. I'm not saying you should just let her do whatever she wants either, just that I would come at it with a different approach and treat her a bit more like an adult. Let her know that you trust her. The rules you're proposing right now don't give her much credit.
 
You are a bit late in the game with your teen, but 9 is a great age to get the discussions going. It's way easier to talk about sex with a 9 year old than a 13 year old. We have this book, geared towards younger kids, lots of information.
http://robieharris.com/?page_id=215

We may be late in the game for your style, but definitely not for us. Doesn't make us right or wrong, just not something DW and I would do. There are a lot of great points brought up in this thread, and I think there are a lot of "right" answers as to what to say and when to say it. We believe in having a very strong relationship and honest one with the kids. As I mentioned, to us that builds a good base on which to have these kinds of conversations because they'll be more likely to listen to us. We think it's about that time for our 13 year old, but not even close for the twins.
 
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I guess, in my mind, boundaries are different than "rules". Setting boundaries is a healthy thing. It's not about crime and punishment. It's more about a statement of values and what is appropriate. Rules, to me, are absolutes and come with consequences if broken.

I think it is healthy to teach DD how to establish boundaries. It will help her decide for herself what her own personal boundaries are. Which is something that she decides, not something I decide for her.
 
Well......if my teen were in her first "serious" relationship:

1. I would take her to the gynecologist. It's time. My mom never did that for me. Lucky for her, I'm smart. I did it on my own. Do you want your daughter facing a gyno for the first time on her own?
2. I would encourage her to think about forms of birth control that would last a long time without upkeep (like an IUD or Norplant), however, I would leave the room and I would let her, and her doctor, make her own choices.
3. I would then take her to a drug store, and force her to buy condoms with her own money. Because you can't trust men to always have one, and yes, birth control doesn't cut it. If she can't hack buying a simple box of protective latex, then maybe we'll have the talk about, "Are you really ready for a physical relationship?"
4. I would say to her, "Remember, high school boys are not forever. They are Dr. Seuss books, real mates are novels. Go to college. Assure your career. Figure out who YOU are. Then, find someone who complements that. Everyone else is just....practice."
 
This is a topic near and dear to my heart as my 17 year old is in a relationship with her first boyfriend (who is a freshman in college). They've been dating for over a year, so starting when she was 16 and he was a senior. I don't have any "rules" for them except no hanging out in the bedroom. In our house, they hang out in our family room or in our TV room in the basement. They are often alone there. I make no effort to intervene, or "check" on them. He drives, of course, and they have plenty of chances to be alone that aren't in our house, so what's the point of being overly watchful in our house? She IS on birth control (and has been for years due to acne), but I've still had the discussion about needing condoms (and I know HIS mom, because we talk about it, is having the SAME conversation with her son). Neither of us wants grand babies anytime soon, and while we believe both of our children have never had a sexual relationship before, I want them to start off on the right foot....no glove, no love. Condom-less sex is for when you have chosen your long term partner, both of you are monogynous, and both of you have been tested. Otherwise, deal with it. My daughter has received a lot of education, both at home and in school, about STDs and is well aware of the risk.

All that being said, my daughter's boyfriend is a GREAT kid.....and that factors into the amount of leeway I give to both of them. I trust him completely, actually.

If they haven't had sex by now (and I do ask her from time to time....and she says one of two things: MOM, or "I'm not doing the do, mom"), I do believe it is inevitable if their relationship continues much longer. I mean seriously.....I was a 17 year old once. DH was a 19 year old once. Just saying. To pretend my older teen isn't a sexual being is just ridiculous.
 
We were always open with our son about sex from about 5th grade on, because even at that age, it seemed like the kid's were already in major boyfriend/girlfriend mode. That is one thing I despise about areas in the South where we've lived... It seems like even elementary school activities are designed to promote pairing up. My son had peers in junior high that were definitely having sex, and a couple of girls had babies before they were out of 8th grade. Our motto with him, was "keep the peen zipped in the pants", but if you don't, you better have condoms! We kind of lucked out with his first real girlfriend though, because her dad was the president of a motorcycle club, a la Sons of Anarchy type, and he put the absolute fear of God in my kid. I firmly believe that when it comes to talking about sex with your kids, it's completely in your, and their, best interest to be as frank and repetitive as possible.

FWIW-I was in middle school in (Southern) California in the mid-90s. Middle school students were having sex then and talking about it. Middle schools in CA had dances, so kids were "paired up." Middle school is puberty, that is why those things start happening, not because you live in the South.
 
We may be late in the game for your style, but definitely not for us. Doesn't make us right or wrong, just not something DW and I would do. There are a lot of great points brought up in this thread, and I think there are a lot of "right" answers as to what to say and when to say it. We believe in having a very strong relationship and honest one with the kids. As I mentioned, to us that builds a good base on which to have these kinds of conversations because they'll be more likely to listen to us. We think it's about that time for our 13 year old, but not even close for the twins.
Once they become teens, the window starts to close. Most experts seem to agree that the earlier, the better. A conversation about sex that is easy at 10 can be awkward and uncomfortable at 13, especially if the dialogue has just started. Here is a guide.
https://www.todaysparent.com/family/parenting/age-by-age-guide-to-talking-to-kids-about-sex/
 
OP, I looked back at your post, and I am agreeing with those who think this sounds like judgement and 'rules' instead of good advice and guidelines... boundaries, erc....
If you read the comments, it is like, you will never, ever, be alone, with a person of the opposite sex.

I think something like, "I am not comfortable with two teenagers being alone closed up the in the bedroom here in our home.... so I will expect you to respect that." might be more appropriate.
Along with comments and advice about how how quickly things can go further than one might want... Being in control of one's own healthy boundaries, etc...
 
I need to talk with DD16 about dating (She is in her first "real" relationship). She and her boyfriend need to have some limits set. Here's what I have for my talking points so far.

I think that if I have this conversation with her, it will be easier for her to have the confidence needed when it's necessary. She needs to know what to expect in regards to dating and how she can a) prevent any unexpected situations, and b) know how to deal with things if they happen to find themselves pushing the limits.


Boundaries: They may hang out in the public places of our home. They may not hang out in the game room unless others are in there too. He is not allowed in her bedroom. She may not have male guests over if there is not a parent present. She may not visit his house if there is not a parent present. She must remain in the public areas of his home as well.

Respect: They must both respect each other. They must not accept or inflict pressure on each other. If one is unsure of the other's feelings on a matter, then they must back off.
Being safe: If you are not ready to be safe, then you are not ready. Intimacy is certain to change the dynamics of a relationship. If you are not ready for that change, then you are not ready.

Privacy: Intimacy occurs within a loving and committed relationship between two people and only two people. It is not something to be discussed with your friends, ever. As you well know, your friends will tell other people too (DD has told us about a friend of hers that has gone wild with her behavior...can't believe DD told us, but this is evidence that anybody will tell what they know). You do not want others knowing these details about you. Talk about embarrassing! If you are not 100% certain that intimacy and privacy is guaranteed, then you are not ready.

Thoughts?

My mother never talked to me about dating relationships. I did not understand that things can go from 0 to 60 in a second. I did not know how to slow things down, or stop for that matter. I did not have the confidence needed to make good decisions and I gave in to pressure.

I want my DD to at least know I'm on her side about these things.


My daughter dated a 20 year old when she was sixteen.

Here's what I told her (similar, but slightly different...).

Boundaries: First I asked her if she wanted to have sex with this fellow. Because sex IS legal at her age, in our country. She said she did not. So, I then told her that I could set some rules around being alone with him, and that she was welcome to blame it on me being "strict". Not only that, she was free to come up with any more rules she wanted, and I'd take responsibility for them all. In essence, she was absolutely forbidden from doing anything she didn't want to do. The rules we came up with were the same as yours, but she helped create them.

Respect: As I wrote in another thread, we'd been talking about respect since the children were small. And modeling it. I'd already established clearly that our kids did not have to stay anywhere, or put up with anyone, who wasn't treating them kindly. They've always had the right to walk away, and we've always supported them. Even school attendance was a choice, not an obligation. (Surprisingly, perhaps, they both chose to attend school and took their learning very seriously.)

Being Safe: I taught sex ed in our church, so by sixteen my daughter knew more than most people about condoms, birth control, STIs, consent, etc. Heck, she's currently in Health Science in university and miles beyond me when it comes to certain health topics, that I still have difficulty wrapping my head around.

Privacy: I couldn't possibly tell her that intimacy only occurs between two people, because we know people in open and poly arrangements. I also would never tell her not to discuss it with her friends, because I know how much I learned in honest open conversations with my female friends. Talking to friends is often a great way of establishing if things are normal, good, right or going terribly wrong. Should he do this? Should this hurt? I know that there are often things young people are not comfortable asking their parents. Rather than tell her not to talk about sex, I told her that I expect her to always be kind and respectful of the people she chooses to become intimate with. Given she's a kind, respectful person in general, I wasn't worried.

She should talk to her partner (ALWAYS talk to your partner!), about how much she's sharing and how much he's comfortable with her sharing. Also, how much he'll share about her. I also told her to assume others will talk about you, so be open and comfortable with your choices. There's no shame in having sex. There's no reason to hide the fact that you've had sex. That said, if you live in a place where the consequences of people finding out you've had sex are dire, then it's likely best to simply not have sex, versus trying to keep it a deep dark secret.

What I DID tell her is that sex complicates things. It involves making yourself vulnerable to another person, and trusting them with your mind and body. Be deliberate in your choices.

And I added one more (though we'd discussed this years earlier)...

Consent: Either person has the right to say no, stop, at any point, for ANY reason. There's no such thing as "we've gone too far to turn back now". Everyone deserves to be listened to, and respected. That said, be aware of the non-verbal ways people have of asking, "Can we have sex?" Stuff like, "Do you want to hang out at my place this evening? Just the two of us?" And if you aren't prepared to consent to sex, then be careful you don't accidentally give the impression that you are saying yes. Also, in general, it's a bad idea to make yourself vulnerable (ie, by getting blind drunk, or stoned, or being alone/isolated in some circumstances).
 
I don't think 16 years, with a 20 year old, would be legal here....

Yep, it's always important to know your laws. And teach them to your kids!

Age of consent in Ontario used to be 14, but they raised it to 16 in 2006. There's also the close-in-age exemptions, meaning 12 and 13 year olds can legally have sex with partners up to two years older, and 14 and 15 year olds can have sex with partners up to five years older.
 













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