Tables in Wonderland math

MatzoRella

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I just did some quick math to figure out the true savings associated with using the Tables in Wonderland card. Upshot: TIW saves you the equivalent of tip and part of what you would normally pay in tax. It generally becomes cost-effective once you purchase about $350-$375 in food and drink.

Here are the results for anyone who wants to avoid pulling out the calculator:

Assumption: You purchase the card for $75, not $100. With 6.5% tax, the purchase price is $79.88. If you change this assumption, the conclusions concerning break-even points will be different.

Conclusion 1: Your final bill (including tip and tax) will be equal to 1.032 times the sum of the menu prices. So if the items you order add to $100 on the menu, you will owe a total of $103.20 with tip and tax already included in this total. This conclusion holds regardless of what you pay for the TIW card. Without the card, the same items would cost you $124.50 once tax and an 18% tip were included (or $126.50 with tax and a 20% tip). Math: 100 – 20 + (.065*80) + (.18*100) = 103.20. Tax is on discounted price; tip is on pre-discounted price.

Conclusion 2: If you would normally tip 18% even without the TIW card, the card pays for itself once you purchase $375.02 worth of food (based on menu prices; you don't need to consider tax or tip). Math: 79.88=1.245M-1.032M, where M=sum of your meal’s prices on menu. M=375.02.

Conclusion 3: If you would normally tip 20% without the TIW card, but are willing to tip just the 18% automatically added when you use the card, the card pays for itself once you purchase $342.83 worth of food (based on menu prices; you don't need to consider tax or tip).

Conclusion 4: If you wish to add 2% to the automatically included tip (and these tips are based on the pre-discounted food total) to bring it up to 20%, and assuming you normally tip 20% even without the card, the card will pay for itself once you purchase $375.02 worth of food, as in conclusion 2.

If you purchase the card for $100 instead of $75 ($106.50 with tax), the break-even points in conclusions 2 and 3 are $500 and $457.08, respectively.

Bon appétit!
 
Okay, some very noob questions coming up here:

1) What on earth is a TIW card?

2) I am going to take a guess that the card applies to food only, which means no alcohol/wine purchased at dinner. Right?

NEVERMIND.

Read the info page on the WDW site, TIW seems pretty restrictive to where you can eat and when. For example, you can't use this at Le Cell and it's only good for lunch at the other epcot dining locations?
 
It's a card available for purchase by Annual Passholders. It gives you a 20% discount on food and beverage purchases at participating restaurants, which include most but not all at the parks and resorts, as well as some in Downtown Disney. Teppan Edo does not participate. Alcohol IS included, as far as I know.
 

Yes mixing up the AP discounts and the TIW discount is a very common mistake because Disney does not make it very clear!

TIW DOES include alcohol and the list of restaurants is MUCH larger...pretty much includes all the same restaurants that DDP does.
 
Agree that the Disney website is the source of all confusion.

Added: Maybe they don't want people to realize what a good deal the TIW card is. It covers your whole party, and can easily pay for itself in two days. It's generally a better deal than "free" dining when AP room discounts are taken into consideration. Of course, APs cost more than regular park tickets, so room savings are offset somewhat, and the cheaper the resort (and bigger your party), the better the free dining deal is vs. AP discounts plus TIW.
 
I just got my seasonal AP and plan on getting TIW the first day we use SAP so we have the SAP and TIW the same amount of time. We figured the pricing and cost savings to determine that we would get TIW. I wish you would have had this figured out about a month ago! Would have saved me a headache. :lmao:


I too agree that the disney website is very confusing and a huge headache, all the way around.:headache:
 

You are reading about the wrong benefits. That's just for the regular Annual Pass discounts. The Tables in Wonderland card is completely different! The Disney website is almost as confusing as the OPs math, lol. :goodvibes Tables in wonderland card INCLUDES alcohol, and is available at nearly every restaurant on property, including Le Cellier. Scroll down to the bottom of the page in this link to see the list of restaurants. (thanks to the OP for the math info, we've had the card for years and definitely get our money's worth....especially for the wine we drink!)

http://www.wdwinfo.com/disneydiningexperience.htm
 

Re-emphasizing what others have said, the information at this link is correct, but clumsily arranged as to be easily confusing.

It is a list of benefits available to annual passholders and absolutely nothing else.

One of which benefits is a discount on TiW. But because this is shown at the top of a page that otherwise lists dining discounts, it's only too easy to assume that the discounts are associated with TiW and not the annual passport.

As if to make things worse, there are a few places that offer annual passholder discounts but do not honor TiW, such as Yak and Yeti.
 
Here is a working example, using $100.00 as the original bill to make the math show up easily. Note this is for Table Service. At Counter Service there is no gratuity added.

100.00 - Original Menu Amount
*20.00 - Discount
*80.00 - Subtotal
*18.00 - Gratuity Added based on $100
**5.20 - Sales Tax on $80
103.20 - Final amount charged, takes into consideration discount, gratuity and tax.

Without TiW Discount (and still figuring 18% Gratuity)

100.00 - Original Menu Amount
*18.00 - Gratuity
**6.50 - Sales Tax on $100
124.50 - Total

$21.30 - Savings using TiW Card.

(Note - At Victoria and Albert's the added gratuity is 20% instead of 18%.)
* Ignore the asterisks; they are there only so the columns/numbers line up properly.

The discount is good for up to ten people on one check, and it includes food and alcoholic beverages.

All Tables in Wonderland Restaurants as of May 2011

Disney's All-Star Movies Resort – World Premiere Food Court
Disney's All-Star Music Resort – Intermission Food Court
Disney's All-Star Sports Resort – End Zone Food Court
Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge – Boma, Jiko, Sanaa, Victoria Falls
Disney's Beach Club Resort - Beaches & Cream Soda Shop (excludes take-out shop), Cape May Cafe, Martha's Vineyard Lounge
Disney's BoardWalk – Belle Vue Lounge, Big River Grille & Brewing Works, ESPN Club, Flying Fish Cafe, Kouzzina by Cat Cora
Disney's Caribbean Beach Resort – Shutters at Old Port Royale
Disney's Contemporary Resort – California Grill, Chef Mickey's, Outer Rim, The Wave
Disney's Coronado Springs Resort – Maya Grill
Disney's Fort Wilderness Resort & Campground – Crockett's Tavern, Hoop-Dee-Doo Musical Revue (9:30 p.m. show only), Trail's End Restaurant (Excludes take out shop)
Disney's Grand Floridian Resort & Spa – 1900 Park Fare, Citricos, Garden View Tea Room, Grand Floridian Cafe, Mizner's Lounge, Narcoossee's, Victoria & Albert's (excludes Chef's Table and Queen Victoria Room)
Disney's Old Key West Resort – Olivia's Cafe
Disney's Osprey Ridge Golf Course - Sand Trap Bar & Grill
Disney's Polynesian Resort – 'Ohana, Kona Cafe, Disney's Spirit of Aloha Dinner Show (Late show only), Tambu Lounge
Disney's Pop Century Resort – Everything Pop Shopping and Dining (excludes merchandise from shop)
Disney's Port Orleans Resort - French Quarter - Sassagoula Floatworks & Food Factory, Scat Cat's Club
Disney's Port Orleans Resort – Riverside - Boatwright's Dining Hall, River Roost
Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort – The Artist's Palette, The Turf Club Bar & Grill, Turf Club Lounge
Disney's Vero Beach Resort – The Green Cabin Room, Shutter's, Sonya's (Excludes Sunday Brunch)
Disney's Wilderness Lodge – Artist Point, Territory Lounge, Whispering Canyon Cafe
Disney's Yacht Club Resort – Ale and Compass Lounge, Captain's Grille, Crews Cup Lounge, Yachtsman Steakhouse
Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Resort – Garden Grove, Il Mulino New York Trattoria, Kimonos, Shula's Steak House, Todd English's bluezoo

Magic Kingdom Park – Cinderella's Royal Table, Liberty Tree Tavern, The Crystal Palace, The Plaza Restaurant, Tony's Town Square Restaurant
Epcot – Akershus Royal Banquet Hall, Biergarten Restaurant, Bistro de Paris, Chefs de France, Coral Reef Restaurant, Le Cellier Steakhouse, Nine Dragons Restaurant, Restaurant Marrakesh, Rose & Crown Pub & Dining Room, San Angel Inn Restaurante, The Garden Grill Restaurant, Tokyo Dining, Tutto Italia Ristorante, Via Napoli
Disney's Hollywood Studios – 50's Prime Time Cafe, Hollywood & Vine, Mama Melrose's Ristorante Italiano, Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater Restaurant, The Hollywood Brown Derby, Tune-In Lounge
Disney's Animal Kingdom Theme Park – Flame Tree Barbecue, Pizzafari, Restaurantosaurus, Tusker House Restaurant

DOWNTOWN DISNEY – Marketplace - Cap'n Jack's Restaurant, Fulton's Crab House
DOWNTOWN DISNEY – Pleasure Island – Paradiso 37, Portobello, Raglan Road Irish Pub and Restaurant
DOWNTOWN DISNEY – West Side – Bongo's Cuban Cafe, House Of Blues (Excludes Sunday Brunch), Planet Hollywood, Wolfgang Puck Cafe

ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex - ESPN Wide World of Sports Grill
 
I am confused by the math and if this is worth it to me.

I am traveling with two people and plan on eating at the following places:

Quick service at Rose and Crown as well as the pub there (will this 20% apply there? Doesn't appear so on the web)
Le Cellier
San Angel Inn
Teppan Edo (Processional package)

Can I get away with buying one card on my AP or do I have to buy two?

Would it be worth it to me?
 
Teppan Edo would not be covered. Not sure about pub section OR QS section of Rose & Crown. You would only need one card. You would need to be an AP holder, which you know. Unless you plan to purchase about $350 worth of food as a party (meaning the AP holder =TIW cardholder needs to be present) over the course of the year of membership, it is not worth it. If the meals you listed are the ONLY ones you plan, I'd skip it. It's unclear from your post whether you're traveling w/one other person or two, but either way it's probably not worth it for you. But add up your anticipated costs.
 
thanks matzo. I wish I had known about this last year. I am premiere pass holder.
 
Yes mixing up the AP discounts and the TIW discount is a very common mistake because Disney does not make it very clear!

TIW DOES include alcohol and the list of restaurants is MUCH larger...pretty much includes all the same restaurants that DDP does.
It includes all the same restaurants that DDP does, but includes many that DDP does not. For example, it includes Victoria & Albert, Bistro de Paris, and most of the DTD restaurants.

T Unless you plan to purchase about $350 worth of food as a party (meaning the AP holder =TIW cardholder needs to be present) over the course of the year of membership, it is not worth it.
Just to clarify further, the $325 (the break-even point) is for food and alcohol.

And you can buy the TiW as long as your AP is active. So if it expires in October, you can buy the TiW in October and have it be valid for about 13 months from then. Your AP doesn't have to be active to use the TiW, only to buy it.
 












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