SWAT raid on Missouri Family

I know what you mean. My dog would have ended up getting shot too just because he would have come to the door to greet them and probably that would have been seen as "agressive" even though all he would have done is want to jump on them or playful bark. Either that or he would have been seen as charging them as he was trying to go outside. They would have also probably shot our cats if they saw them and found some way to say they were menacing. Argh!

I am sure that both DH and I would have ended up being shot too. Then they would have left DS by himself and then still find a way to have it be child endagernment by the parents when the SWAT team was the one that in fact endangered the child.

I am still so angered by everything in that story and also by everything that I've found out since then. I'm not even sure I am even writing cohesively anymore!
 
Ok, I haven't watched the video yet...will tonight when I get home. But a few things that come to mind when reading responses, etc.

1) We have NO idea if the person had any previous criminal record. For all you know, he could have serious criminal charges in his past that had made officers weary to begin with. Or they may have known his history. It brings to mind this guy that lived around me for awhile, never been in trouble with the law, however had a hatred for cops and let it be known to everyone out there, that if a cop stepped foot on his property ever, he would kill them. He would flip them off when they drove by and yell. It was known that if a call was to come in at that house, backup needed to be sent immediately. But, would a newspaper report this info if something had went down ever at that house.......nope, because most newspapers will write a story swayed towards gaining readers through emotions. And a good cop story RARELY causes an outcry.

2) Was this a pitbull that was used in dog fighting? Or a known attack dog? I don't agree that it was right to shoot it while in its cage. Does the video show it is in a cage or is that just "reports"?

3) Just because there wasn't any marijuanna found in his possession, does NOT mean he isn't a big time drug dealer. Most of the time, the bigger the dealer, the less they keep in their possession. They transfer that risk to others who do their dirty work. Which is why it's harder to bring them down. Maybe their informant told them that this was the only day that a large amount would be in that house.....and the person got word that the police were planning something and changed plans. You will never know.

4) I have never heard of calling in SWAT based on only a tip. Was this actually ever proved, or is this just what the news is reporting?

5) Lastly, someone mentioned "part time SWAT" shouldn't have went in. Do you not realize that many depts acrosss the United States can't afford to pay a full time SWAT dept (actually it's ERT in most places if you want to be technical)? And to call in the closest full time one could really be unsafe for officers/civilians to wait for that moblization time? Maybe if this bothers you so much, you and friends, family, etc need to quit complaining come tax time or petition for an increase in taxes for this funding? Or make donations to the police dept to be able to fund one? It's always easy to point the finger and not offer a solution.

Now, I'm NOT saying I side with this dept, I have NOT watched the video and do NOT know the events leading up to it or what went on behind closed doors during the planning. I just know better than to trust what is printed in a newspaper. I worked for the paper when I was younger, and only 50% is truth that is written, the rest is speculation to create a viewing audience based on emotion.
 
Ok, I haven't watched the video yet...will tonight when I get home. But a few things that come to mind when reading responses, etc.

1) We have NO idea if the person had any previous criminal record. For all you know, he could have serious criminal charges in his past that had made officers weary to begin with. Or they may have known his history. It brings to mind this guy that lived around me for awhile, never been in trouble with the law, however had a hatred for cops and let it be known to everyone out there, that if a cop stepped foot on his property ever, he would kill them. He would flip them off when they drove by and yell. It was known that if a call was to come in at that house, backup needed to be sent immediately. But, would a newspaper report this info if something had went down ever at that house.......nope, because most newspapers will write a story swayed towards gaining readers through emotions. And a good cop story RARELY causes an outcry.

2) Was this a pitbull that was used in dog fighting? Or a known attack dog? I don't agree that it was right to shoot it while in its cage. Does the video show it is in a cage or is that just "reports"?

3) Just because there wasn't any marijuanna found in his possession, does NOT mean he isn't a big time drug dealer. Most of the time, the bigger the dealer, the less they keep in their possession. They transfer that risk to others who do their dirty work. Which is why it's harder to bring them down. Maybe their informant told them that this was the only day that a large amount would be in that house.....and the person got word that the police were planning something and changed plans. You will never know.

4) I have never heard of calling in SWAT based on only a tip. Was this actually ever proved, or is this just what the news is reporting?

5) Lastly, someone mentioned "part time SWAT" shouldn't have went in. Do you not realize that many depts acrosss the United States can't afford to pay a full time SWAT dept (actually it's ERT in most places if you want to be technical)? And to call in the closest full time one could really be unsafe for officers/civilians to wait for that moblization time? Maybe if this bothers you so much, you and friends, family, etc need to quit complaining come tax time or petition for an increase in taxes for this funding? Or make donations to the police dept to be able to fund one? It's always easy to point the finger and not offer a solution.

Now, I'm NOT saying I side with this dept, I have NOT watched the video and do NOT know the events leading up to it or what went on behind closed doors during the planning. I just know better than to trust what is printed in a newspaper. I worked for the paper when I was younger, and only 50% is truth that is written, the rest is speculation to create a viewing audience based on emotion.

Perhaps you should watch the video before you ask questions like above.

1 & 3) Well, watch the video. I don't believe you'll see a big time drug dealer. And frankly, if he was a big time dealer, with a shady criminal past - why did they get a warrant and wait EIGHT days before acting on it?

2) A dog used for dog fighting? Nice. Considering the Pit Bull lived with a Corgi - we can pretty much eliminate that from the equation. :rolleyes: It was a shot family pet - that happened to be a Pit Bull - that the home owners have said was caged, who - because of the cluster funk of this entire thing, I believe. You never see the Pit Bull, yet you do see the Corgi, so I tend to believe it was indeed, caged. It doesn't matter - they shoot immediately upon entering - and again - *watch the video* - you'll see (and hear) this.

4) Yes, it was.... by the police department, themselves. WTG Police!

5) No SWAT should have went in, at all - what so ever. Watch the video. A waste of tax payers money, for a $300 misdemeanor. It's pathetic.

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Perhaps you should watch the video before you ask questions like above.

1 & 3) Well, watch the video. I don't believe you'll see a big time drug dealer. And frankly, if he was a big time dealer, with a shady criminal past - why did they get a warrant and wait EIGHT days before acting on it?

What exactly do you think a big time drug dealer looks like? I know of one who was the perfect family man......

2) A dog used for dog fighting? Nice. Considering the Pit Bull lived with a Corgi - we can pretty much eliminate that from the equation. :rolleyes: It was a shot family pet - that happened to be a Pit Bull - that the home owners have said was caged, who - because of the cluster funk of this entire thing, I believe. You never see the Pit Bull, yet you do see the Corgi, so I tend to believe it was indeed, caged. It doesn't matter - they shoot immediately upon entering - and again - *watch the video* - you'll see (and hear) this.

You never see the pitbull.....so how do you know for sure it was caged (by going on reports of what the person said only? are you really that gullible?) and how do you know it wasn't in the other room acting aggressive? You can't SEE it........ :confused3

4) Yes, it was.... by the police department, themselves. WTG Police!

Most of the stuff the police investigate come in through a "tip".......did the newspaper conviently leave out the rest of the comment after that part of the sentence? It happens......and unless you heard what the police said, and are ONLY going on newspaper reports.....then that info is NOT accurate



5) No SWAT should have went in, at all - what so ever. Watch the video. A waste of tax payers money, for a $300 misdemeanor. It's pathetic.

Again, can't judge this unless you KNOW what all was involved with the process.....which you will NEVER know unless you are on that dept...
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BTW-who recorded the video?
 

A horrible abuse of power. Reminds me of a smaller scale Ruby Ridge.


And all this for some paraphernelia. Absolutely ridiculous and sad.
 
BTW-who recorded the video?

The SWAT Team.

What exactly do you think a big time drug dealer looks like? I know of one who was the perfect family man......

Lord. They would have found something, no? Or perhaps he is a HUGE drug dealer, and them waiting EIGHT DAYS screwed up the whole bust. Which again, would be incompetence on their part.



You never see the pitbull.....so how do you know for sure it was caged (by going on reports of what the person said only? are you really that gullible?) and how do you know it wasn't in the other room acting aggressive? You can't SEE it........

Gullible? No. Trust the reports, and the family members - and what you do see on the video (the one you didn't watch, but yet still want to form an opinion on?). Yes.

Are *you* really that gullible to think every police dept across the nation is always on their game, and doesn't REALLY screw up, sometimes?

It's funny that they're being investigated. So, perhaps those investigators are just gullible, too?



Most of the stuff the police investigate come in through a "tip".......did the newspaper conviently leave out the rest of the comment after that part of the sentence? It happens......and unless you heard what the police said, and are ONLY going on newspaper reports.....then that info is NOT accurate

A tip with no investigation. They didn't do anything but act on an anonymous tip. Watch the video and use Google. This is not just coming from one source.


Again, can't judge this unless you KNOW what all was involved with the process.....which you will NEVER know unless you are on that dept..

Okey Dokey. But you sure are..... without watching the video, at that. :laughing:
 
Ok, I haven't watched the video yet...will tonight when I get home. But a few things that come to mind when reading responses, etc.

1) We have NO idea if the person had any previous criminal record. For all you know, he could have serious criminal charges in his past that had made officers weary to begin with. Or they may have known his history. It brings to mind this guy that lived around me for awhile, never been in trouble with the law, however had a hatred for cops and let it be known to everyone out there, that if a cop stepped foot on his property ever, he would kill them. He would flip them off when they drove by and yell. It was known that if a call was to come in at that house, backup needed to be sent immediately. But, would a newspaper report this info if something had went down ever at that house.......nope, because most newspapers will write a story swayed towards gaining readers through emotions. And a good cop story RARELY causes an outcry.

I ran a search on any court cases that he has had in the past. He had 2 DUI's and one hit and run (that was related to one of the dui charges. There were no prior drug charges that I was able to locate.

In regards to him being a cop hater. Who knows. :confused3 I know a lot of people who don't care for cops, doesn't mean that they would be shooting the minute the cops come in their house. People can jump and down and yell any stupid thing they want to but that doesn't mean they would actually act on it.


2) Was this a pitbull that was used in dog fighting? Or a known attack dog? I don't agree that it was right to shoot it while in its cage. Does the video show it is in a cage or is that just "reports"?
From what I have read, the report that the pit bull was in it's cage was wrong. The pit bull and corgi where not in a cage and the corgi was shot because the cop missed the pit bull.

However, I think we can safely assume that this dog was not used in fighting. He would not be roaming freely in the house with a corgi. He would have torn that dog up.


3) Just because there wasn't any marijuanna found in his possession, does NOT mean he isn't a big time drug dealer. Most of the time, the bigger the dealer, the less they keep in their possession. They transfer that risk to others who do their dirty work. Which is why it's harder to bring them down. Maybe their informant told them that this was the only day that a large amount would be in that house.....and the person got word that the police were planning something and changed plans. You will never know.

What informant? You do realize that the info that was used to obtain the warrant was a nosy neighbor calling the police and saying that "she thinks their might be drug activity going on". Nobody bought drugs there. They did no surveillance, just went on the word of someone who probably misinterpreted something that she saw.

Heck, we have had friends and family stop by the house for literally a couple of minutes. Come up to the door, car still running, and leave a minute or 2 later. Good thing my neighbors have better things to do then watch me all the time and call the cops over their paranoid delusions. :sad2:

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Thank you, very helpful information you have given, I appreciate it!

2 DUI's....so some intereaction with police.......and maybe he was aggressive towards them during those arrests and just wasn't charged but made them leary of him? See how we really don't know the facts behind it all?

My point in the matter was only that you can't just go on reports of what you hear from news sources, etc. Often it is twisted around to only report a bare fact and leave out information that wouldn't make it interesting. Did that work long enough to know! And the whole issue of the dog being in a cage....... :confused3 we weren't there to really know. And honestly, in that situation, if I go into a house on that situation, it's hard to say how I'd react, even with full "SWAT" armour on. We don't know if it growled or acted aggressive, because it wasn't seen on video to determine and of course the guy who owned it isn't going to give an 100% accurate report on what was going on because everything we see is seen through our eyes, what doesn't appear aggressive to him since he owns the dog, may appear that way to others.

And one point i read about not doing these raids when kids are home....um, then the people will make a point to start having kids around them at all times to avoid it. They aren't dumb!
 
2 DUI's....so some intereaction with police.......and maybe he was aggressive towards them during those arrests and just wasn't charged but made them leary of him? See how we really don't know the facts behind it all?
He also had been previously convicted of conspiracy to cocaine and marijuana.

Regarding the dogs, per the police chief: "Three officers shot at the pit bull; the first missed completely, which is when the corgi is believed to have been shot in the paw.

The pit bull acted aggressively toward a SWAT member as they pushed into the home, Burton said, and that resulted in the animal being shot, he said. After being shot, it moved to attack a SWAT member, which is when the dog was killed. "

The only error that I can see here is failing to act on the search warrant promptly. Even though state law allows ten days for action to be taken, waiting increases the odds that the evidence is going to disapeer, as it appears to have done in this case.
 
Thank you, very helpful information you have given, I appreciate it!

2 DUI's....so some intereaction with police.......and maybe he was aggressive towards them during those arrests and just wasn't charged but made them leary of him? See how we really don't know the facts behind it all?

My point in the matter was only that you can't just go on reports of what you hear from news sources, etc. Often it is twisted around to only report a bare fact and leave out information that wouldn't make it interesting. Did that work long enough to know! And the whole issue of the dog being in a cage....... :confused3 we weren't there to really know. And honestly, in that situation, if I go into a house on that situation, it's hard to say how I'd react, even with full "SWAT" armour on. We don't know if it growled or acted aggressive, because it wasn't seen on video to determine and of course the guy who owned it isn't going to give an 100% accurate report on what was going on because everything we see is seen through our eyes, what doesn't appear aggressive to him since he owns the dog, may appear that way to others.

And one point i read about not doing these raids when kids are home....um, then the people will make a point to start having kids around them at all times to avoid it. They aren't dumb!

Have you watched the video yet? Please do, it may help makes things a little bit clearer.

The video was taken by the SWAT team. You see them outside the house, in full swat gear, they break down the door. Run in, announce and shoot the dog within the first 5 seconds of them gaining access.

The dogs where not near the owners at any time. It is about a couple of minutes into the video when you hear the suspect ask the police "Did you shot my dog?" He becomes extremely upset as does his wife and child, who are sitting against a wall, mother holding her son, as they cry. The suspects voice breaks and he attempts to hold back tears as he asks them why they would do that.

The dogs are not seen on tape at any time.


My main problem with this whole cluster.......is the complete ineptitude of the police department from beginning to end.

1-The acted on an anonymous tip. As I said before, this tip came in from a nosy neighbor "who saw something suspicious". The neighbor did not purchase anything, nor did they see an actual drug transaction take place.

For all they knew this could have just been some neighbor who was mad at them because their dog barked to much, or they didn't mow their lawn often enough or their son tromped through their flowers. You just don't know and neither did the police. This just might have been the neighbors idea of "payback" for some slight.

2-The police did no surveillance. They did not attempt to purchase drugs from this man or at this location. There was no investigative work done at all on this case. They simply took the word of some random person on the phone and ran with it. THAT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!! It makes the police out to be some amped up gung ho cops who can't wait to throw on their swat stuff so they can bust down doors and play like it's a real live Call of Duty video game or something.

3-They sat on the warrant for days!!! Supposing that this was some drug dealer they ran a serious risk of losing the evidence by sitting on the warrant. Bad police work all the way around.

4- The police altered the video tape prior to giving it to the family. The ONLY reason they would have done this is to cover their own butts. Looks like the Columbia police department has learned how to tamper with and alter video tapes. Makes you wonder what else they have tampered with. :sad2:

5- This was a warrant that should have been served in another way. This person was not a violent offender, he was not attempting to allude the police in any way, he was not wanted for a violent crime. He had no previous charges that would have alluded to him as being violent or aggressive to police. If this had been someone who was wanted for murder, or bank robbery, or kidnapping or something major that, then I could and would support them in what they did. For this though? No, absolutely not.

There was no mention made of any fire arms being found on the premises, but since he was not charged with the unlawful possession of a firearm, then I guess we can assume that they did not at least find any illegal firearms in the home. If he was a "big time" dealer, as you said, guns probably would have been present.

Maybe he was out of product, but where was the serious paraphernalia that you would find in a drug dealers home? Mainly the scale and the baggies?

All they found was a bowl with some residue and a misdemeanor amount of weed. In MO, 35 grams and under is a misdemeanor. That would be just under 1 1/4 ounces. That is a personal use amount, not a dealer amount.

Sounds like the Columbia SWAT team needs a reality check. Lets hope that this gave it to them.
 
He also had been previously convicted of conspiracy to cocaine and marijuana.
Can I ask for a source on this one? I looked through the MO court system and could find no mention of this. Just the dui's and hit and run. Do you have a link?

Here is what the MO says about John Whitlock as both plaintiff and defendant. https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/nameSearch.do

Regarding the dogs, per the police chief: "Three officers shot at the pit bull; the first missed completely, which is when the corgi is believed to have been shot in the paw.

The pit bull acted aggressively toward a SWAT member as they pushed into the home, Burton said, and that resulted in the animal being shot, he said. After being shot, it moved to attack a SWAT member, which is when the dog was killed. "

The only error that I can see here is failing to act on the search warrant promptly. Even though state law allows ten days for action to be taken, waiting increases the odds that the evidence is going to disapeer, as it appears to have done in this case.

That is purely speculation. You have no proof that there was anything in his house to support that and apparently the police don't either. Where are you hearing that this was the case?
 
OMG!!! That's freaking scary! The circumstances don't appear to merit such brutality! They get a call about pot and they come in full SWAT gear, rush the house and shoot the dog??? I'm glad the video made it to the public before the police could have made it disappear. So wrong in so many ways!
 
What informant? You do realize that the info that was used to obtain the warrant was a nosy neighbor calling the police and saying that "she thinks their might be drug activity going on". Nobody bought drugs there. They did no surveillance, just went on the word of someone who probably misinterpreted something that she saw.
This is not true.

Per the affidavit, the warrant was based on two witnesses' statements that the individual was dealing drugs.

Further, a 'trash pull' was done prior to the warrant being requested. Drug residue and paraphernalia was found.

The individual has a previous conviction for distributing controlled substances and arrests for DWI, possession of controlled substances, resisting arrest, delivery and manufacture of controlled substances.

Based on this info, it would appear that the search warrant was appropriate and that it was appropriate to deploy the SWAT team.
 
This is not true.

Per the affidavit, the warrant was based on two witnesses' statements that the individual was dealing drugs.

Further, a 'trash pull' was done prior to the warrant being requested. Drug residue and paraphernalia was found.

The individual has a previous conviction for distributing controlled substances and arrests for DWI, possession of controlled substances, resisting arrest, delivery and manufacture of controlled substances.

Based on this info, it would appear that the search warrant was appropriate and that it was appropriate to deploy the SWAT team.
Again, can you please provide a source for all this info. I have found nothing resembling this in my searches. Where are you finding this? Was it in a newspaper? Is this what the police chief said at one of his press conferences? Did they release the warrant?
 
Can I ask for a source on this one?
It was in the warrant affidavit.
That is purely speculation. You have no proof that there was anything in his house to support that and apparently the police don't either. Where are you hearing that this was the case?
Again, I read the warrant affidavit. You should, also. Getting all of your info from youtube won't give you the full picture.

Two witnesses identified him as a drug dealer. He had previously been convicted of being a drug dealer. Drug paraphernalia and residue had been found in his trash.
 
So, he has a prior history of:

-DUI's
-Hit & Run
-Resisting Arrest
-Selling marijuana
-Manufactoring a controlled substance

Has 2 informant statements stating he is dealing, along with a trash pull showing that there is indeed narcotics on the property.

Seems valid so far and not so out there for a warrant.
 
I read through the officers reports. Here's what happened, as I understand it:

The officer in command checked the doors and found them unlocked. He heard growling and barking on the other side and notified his team of same. He knocked three times and announced twice that they were the police with a search warrant. He then opened the door and stepped back to allow the rest of the team to enter.

The first officer to the door confronted an angry pit bull. He fired one round which, as it turns out, missed the pit bull and struck the other dog in the foot. The pit bull ran turned and went to the kitchen. This officer entered, cuffed Mr. Whitworth and read him and his wife their miranda rights.

Another officer entered the kitchen where he was confronted by the pitbull. He fired one round at the pit bull, hitting it. The pit bull ran to the other side of the kitchen. This officer then found drug paraphernalia and duffle bags in the garage. (I wonder what testing of the duffles will find.)

Another officer and the OIC were on the other side of the kitchen when confronted by the now injured and quite peaved pit bull. The officer fired a two round burst and OIC fired three shots from his weapon into animal at approximately the same time. As the OIC put it, "After my shots were fired, the dog stopped any further aggression or advancement and was dead".

The officer's account of his shots were "I reasonably believed the pit bull represented a clear present and imminent threat of serious physical injury. ... The dog was wounded, barking, and moving directly towards my legs at this point. ... I fired one-two-round burst into the head of the pit bull as it moved towards me. The shots were fired with the intention of preventing the dig from closing in on me and biting me. The shots had the desired effect of stopping the dog immediately which fell to the floor instantly. ..." After the dog was removed, this officer then requested that he be able to clean up the blood. This request was granted by the OIC.

I love dogs and do not belong to the 'pit bulls are evil' camp. I think that its tragic that this one had to die. However, the SWAT team did it right.
 
The SWAT Team.

I don't recall forming an opinion on if they were in the right or the wrong? I said who am I to judge since I WASNT part of the investigation, I'm NOT on the police dept and I REFUSE to form an opinion on word from a criminal on THEIR standing of what happened that day.

And they are being investigated because there is a huge outcry over this and they used their gun. It is a standard procedure with the majority of departments across the nation, not because of shady behavior on the police.

Oh, and if your neighbor calls the police dept with a "tip" that someone is plotting a buglary into your home......would you want them to react & check into it or sit back and wait until further evidence comes along?
 
One of the issues with the officer reports is that there seem to be various stories as to how many pit bulls there were (at least one officer claims that there were 2 pit bulls at the door), how many shots were fired, and how much of a threat the dog was. One of them mentions that when he got to the kitchen, the dog was seriously injured and then he shot it. The reports also say that the police just opened the door because it was unlocked. I have watched the video and just went back and tried to see if I could tell how the door was opened. I can't, but maybe someone with a bigger screen can say if it was rammed open or just opened by hand. I also can't see in the video if the dog was right there or not. I did however see that no one was resisting arrest. No one is blazing guns and no guns were found onsite. The reports say that the guy had a wall safe that smelled of pot but that there was nothing in there.

As for the trash pull, would a big time drug dealer really not know better than to throw out his stuff in the regular garbage? I would think they would burn it in a fireplace or go throw it in the woods or something that couldn't be easily traced back. Also, being that it was in the garbage, it can be argued that what was found does not belong to the defendant as the police had not performed surveilance to deem if it was actually his garbage. Also, there are no available records for the alleged trash pull so we don't know what was or wasn't found in it.The duffel bags, I have two sitting in my shed right now. It's luggage and so far there is no other mention about them except for one report. How would someone who would normally have mounds of pot around the house only end up with "personal consumption" amounts?

I don't have the facts as to what happened with his previous arrest for the coke. I couldn't find anything about it except small mentions in news articles. If this goes to trial, I am sure that we will hear more about the previous conviction as well as about the informant/s and whether or not the tip was payback or for a shorter sentence or whatever. We don't know the circumstances behind the first arrest so anything we say is speculation. Can anyone find anything about that arrest?

I will say, however, that I don't care if the guy was Pablo Escobar, without full on surveilance and investigation that found out there were guns galore in the house and people who were actively ready to use them at any moment, the SWAT team should not have been sent in. I still think that there are countless better ways to have handled this situation.
 


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