Survivor 20**HvV**No SPOILER THREAD**

[legalsea]

A good episode. I like Tom and Colby and I was glad they managed to get JT to see reason and vote Cirie out. Indeed, I bet that since JT ‘broke’ the alliance Rupert will re-think his position and throw in his lot with Tom and Colby. I think Jeff made Rupert feel sorta stupid about the ‘I must keep my word’ thing and, now that JT broke the alliance, Rupert will feel like he is a free agent again (it does not take much in such circumstances to rationalize such thoughts).

As for Russell: he does not realize, I guess, that playing with a ‘new’ group of players, like on Samoa, is utterly different from playing with veteran players. Hence, on the Samoan beach none of the players knew each other and all they knew of the game was what they had seen on television. Hence it was pretty easy for Russell to make various alliances with different people, all of whom were nervous about being voted out quickly and believed that survival depended on forming early alliances.

However, he is now among a group of veterans, with this being the third trip around for several of them. They know the game and how to play, and how to watch out for people making fake alliances or speaking false words. Sure, people like Boston Rob and Tyson may say ‘Sure, you and me Russ”, but then they will turn to the camera, wink, and say “Russell sure is stupid if he thinks I’m that stupid”.

Russell’s only saving grace with the Villains is that he is extremely good at the challenges. However, I think his number will be up pretty quickly, once the weaker members of the Villains are tossed (like that skinny blonde girl; I can’t think of her name). If he makes it to the merge I will be surprised.

Coach: was he really that torn up by Sandra’s comments? Is he really that thin-skinned and ‘sensitive’? Or, is he sly like a fox and knows that such behavior gets him more camera time?

As for the oiled up James (I was actually more interested in the oiled-up girls): ladies, it may interest you to know that James and I could be twins. Not identical, mind you: more like that movie with Danny Divito and Arnold Schwarzenegger, if Danny were African-American.

 

[4greatboys]

Last night, I clapped when Jeff revealed Cirie was going home. My DS asked me why, because he thought I liked Cirie.

I do, but she was being an idiot! They don't want to keep losing, but keep voting off the players that actually can win the challenges for them? Jeff was trying to get them to see how stupid that was this early in the game. She needed to go home. Now let's hope the rest of her alliance will see the wisdom of that move.

Thank you! I was so mad at the TV last night. They vote out Stephanie -- a strong player. They try to vote out Tom or Colby -- two more strong players. And meanwhile, here is Cirie, sucking at every single challenge she's in. I kept thinking that if they want to continue to vote out the strong players while it's still a TEAM challenge as opposed to INDIVIDUAL ones, then they all deserve to go home.

I was whooping and hollering when she was voted out. These people are playing like idiots.

That was exactly how she was in FvF. Just continually trying to get rid of all the strong players on her own tribe. She and James are a big part of why this tribe is having so many issues. I know they wont/can't get rid of him any time soon but I will just as happy when he is gone.

 

[swandiverpatt]

Poor Russell ... mention a hidden immunity idol and it's like Pavlov's bell ... he just can't help himself.

It was strange that both hints were found by the group, instead of an individual. Would have changed the game drastically if it had gone the other way.

James oiled ... yeah ......

 

[PatsMom]

I liked Cirie and thought she was a great player but from the standpoint of the tribe, I think they voted off the right person. Get rid of the master manipulator who is not good at the challenges and keep the stronger players.

 

[travelbug24]

more interested in the oiled-up girls): ladies, it may interest you to know that James and I could be twins. Not identical, mind you: more like that movie with Danny Divito and Arnold Schwarzenegger, if Danny were African-American.

Yeah, me and Danielle are twins

 

[4greatboys]

I don't think it was just that one comment that did Coach in. Jeff gave him a hard time in TC more than once the last season he was on and I bet he also gets some grief around camp too when he starts going on. Plus when you are tired and hungry it's pretty easy to get broken down. Now I still think he has a couple of screws loose upstairs but it wasn't just that comment that did it.

 

[legalsea]

One more thought about Russell: he does come into the game with a bit of a handicap: none of the other players (Heroes or Villains) know anything about him but two facts: 1) He was on Samoa, and 2) his behavior landed him on the Villains tribe.

Why would Russell be on the Villains tribe, they would think? Because he must have been untrustworthy, broken his word numerous times, etc, while playing on Samoa.

By the same token, if Russell had been placed on the Heroes tribe, at least the other players would think "hmmm, he must have at least played honestly".

By going off and looking for the hidden immunity idol, where the tribe had (apparently) agreed to leave it be, Russell quickly showed his true colors.

 

[goofy's friends]

Cerie cut her own throat. They were all ready to eliminate Candice and she had to go and open her mouth. If they aren't after YOU, go with the flow!!!! I like her too, but she deserved this vote. The tribe did the smart thing!

 

[luvmy3]

As for the oiled up James (I was actually more interested in the oiled-up girls): ladies, it may interest you to know that James and I could be twins. Not identical, mind you: more like that movie with Danny Divito and Arnold Schwarzenegger, if Danny were African-American.

 

[MIGrandma]

I don't think it was just that one comment that did Coach in. Jeff gave him a hard time in TC more than once the last season he was on and I bet he also gets some grief around camp too when he starts going on. Plus when you are tired and hungry it's pretty easy to get broken down. Now I still think he has a couple of screws loose upstairs but it wasn't just that comment that did it.

But he didn't say anything about Jeff, or being hungry or tired, not that I recall anyway. All he whined about was Sandra's comment. Crying and asking Tyson, "why did she say that?" Waa, waa, waa. Big baby.

 

[ElliePeters]

Recap on last night's episode...

~Didn't know if I wanted to hug Coach or slap him

~Love Cirie's attitude and mouth..she was right...and that's why she's gone.

~Russell... he is playing with fire. I dont know WHAT they know about him since he just came off last season.. but he just put a huge red x on his back..bye Russell!

~Rupert seems to be playing a quieter game this season. Altho I have to say I loved his honesty at Tribal Council. Do you keep your word or go with your gut?

~Rob, Rob, Rob.... still love to hate you!

~Will Coach and Jerri hook up? Interesting couple!

Thats all!

 

[Disney1fan2002]

As for the oiled up James (I was actually more interested in the oiled-up girls): ladies, it may interest you to know that James and I could be twins. Not identical, mind you: more like that movie with Danny Divito and Arnold Schwarzenegger, if Danny were African-American.

So you're saying you would be the African-American Danny Devito? OOoh babay!

 

[Disney1fan2002]

~Russell... he is playing with fire. I dont know WHAT they know about him since he just came off last season.. but he just put a huge red x on his back..bye Russell!

He is just so obesessed with those immunity idols! How stupid can he be? He waits what, and hour after they read the clue, and then announces he is going for a walk? WTH did he think they were going to think? "Oh sure, that's all he is doing, is going for a walk..no big deal"

 

[4greatboys]

But he didn't say anything about Jeff, or being hungry or tired, not that I recall anyway. All he whined about was Sandra's comment. Crying and asking Tyson, "why did she say that?" Waa, waa, waa. Big baby.

Being tired and hungry are a given on Survivor. No he didn't mention the other stuff but it seemed to my like the straw that broke the camels back kind of moment. I don't think Sandra is powerful enough to take down Coach with one comment without there being other factors involved.

 

[legalsea]

So you're saying you would be the African-American Danny Devito? OOoh babay!

Exactly. Our voices are even the same.

 

[Kirby]

Here's a part of Jeff's latest blog about the idol (there are no spoilers):

was a bit surprised at the different way the two tribes approached the idol clue. I never would have guessed that it would be the Villains who chose to not look for the idol, while the Heroes were tripping over each other in a mad dash to uncover it. Further proof that at this point, the Villains are more in control of their game. They just have it more together than the Heroes.

Yes, of course it makes sense to want the idol in your possession, but the fact the villains were fine keeping the idol out of their game tells me they are more concerned with keeping their tribe strong then they are dividing it by looking for the idol.

Russell of course has a different idea and thank heavens, because let’s be clear – we put the idol in the show because we want it to be found… and we would like it to be played.

Preferably many times.

So the Villains’ decision to sit on the clue and do nothing about it is not the most exciting news to hear back at base camp. That’s just one of the reasons Russell was invited back – he plays the game. He’s not an observer, he’s a participant. And he still should have won last season.


It was an interesting way to throw the idol into play. Might have been more fun if Russell had found the clue by himself but then, as last season, he would have shared his "find" with someone else which would be a huge mistake. I knew that when I saw that paper sticking out of the knife sheath it was a clue. Too bad Russell didn't think the same.

While I'm sad that Cirie is gone, Tom had her number way before JT did. If they had not thrown away their votes on him, Colby would be gone. She was a good strategist but apparently not good enough this time around. I'll miss her but do agree that getting rid of the stronger players in the game at this point is stupid.

 

[jen0610]

That was exactly how she was in FvF. Just continually trying to get rid of all the strong players on her own tribe. She and James are a big part of why this tribe is having so many issues. I know they wont/can't get rid of him any time soon but I will just as happy when he is gone.

James may have a rocking, love to look at body, but as soon as he opens his mouth, I just turns my stomach. He is pure posion. If he makes it to the merge and he doesn't keep winning individual immunity, he'll be taken out by the villians if they have the numbers at the first chance they get.

 

[asta]

I agree. I thought it was awesome when they voted her out.

I still don't see how she was in the Heros tribe. I always thought of her as a backstabber,persuasive player.

I totally agree. I don't like the kind of game Cerie played and didn't like her on her first season of Survivor. How does it make you a hero to play to make your own tribe weaker because you can only look strong against weak team members? That might be self-serving but there is nothing heroic about it. She should have been on the Villians tribe.

I think the rest of this season looks interesting. My feeling right now is that the game will belong to Tyson, Rob or maybe JT.

 

[Albertan mom]

I am so glad Cerie is gone. I don't even know how she made it back again. There are other players that were much more worthy of coming back.
I like Tom and Colby, glad they are still around. And I like JT, glad he is joining with them (for now!)

I still just love Rob. He is the best.

 

[ElliePeters]

I totally agree. I don't like the kind of game Cerie played and didn't like her on her first season of Survivor. How does it make you a hero to play to make your own tribe weaker because you can only look strong against weak team members? That might be self-serving but there is nothing heroic about it. She should have been on the Villians tribe.

I think the rest of this season looks interesting. My feeling right now is that the game will belong to Tyson, Rob or maybe JT.

Agreed! She should have been on the Heroes Tribe... but remind me again why Coach is on the Villains Tribe??