Star Wars.....

[DizBelle]

I've been watching the Star Wars series of movies and I have comments/questions.....

1. In Episode IV, why doesn't Uncle Owen recognize C3PO or R2D2? C3PO lived with him for many years and he was introduced to R2D2 in Episode III.

2. In Episode IV, why doesn't Kenobi recognize R2D2? He spent an awful lot of time with him in Episodes I, II, and III.

3. It sure is fortunate that every system in the galaxy has a common interface. R2D2 can just plug into anything and communicate and issue commands.

 

[castleview]

Protocol droids all look the same, don't you know?

 

[ICF]

The C3PO that he saw in Episodes II-III looked a lot different than the one he bought in episode IV in terms of being finished and the like and 18 years or so passed between times and many of those droids do look alike....although that voice should have triggered a memory or two.

The R2 / Obiwan issue is more difficult to expalin, but maybe Old Ben did recognize him and just didnt mention it....he wasnt the most honest / straightforward guy in his older years, after all he did tell Luke that "Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father"...which despite being "true, from a certain point of view" still wasnt the most honest comment in the world / galaxy.


and just for fun...

 

[Toad_Passenger]

You could always take the purist approach and say that Episodes I, II, III don't exist.

 

[DizBelle]

Here's another one. On Dagoba (where Luke meets Yoda for training) and he is about to leave to go help Leia and Han, ehtereal Obiwan says to Yoda "He is our last hope." Yoda says "No, there is another." (speaking of his sister Leia). Should Obiwan already know this? For goodness sake, he WAS THERE when they were born.

 

[momof1princess]

i've got no explanation for C3PO, but the way i understand it, there are a lot of R2D2 droids, both of his same model and of older and newer models, so, at obi wan's advanced age, he may not have realized it was the same R2D2 he knew.

ETA: DH is a star wars nut, and he says uncle owen MAY have recognized C3PO, but he kept quiet because he was SO against luke leaving home for any reason (remember luke wanted to train to be a pilot, but uncle owen wouldn't let him go), and with luke knowing so little about his parents, he would surely have taken off to get more information if he'd known who C3PO was. DH says that unfortunately, 3PO's memory was wiped at the end of episode III, so he didn't know anything anyway.

 

[castleview]

You could always take the purist approach and say that Episodes I, II, III don't exist.

At least Episode I. I never understood why...if the goal was to keep Luke hidden from the Emperor, why they would choose to raise him on the same planet where his father was the first human to win the Pod Races thirty years prior. I MEAN REALLY!

 

[apirateslifeforme]

On the R2D2/Kenobi issue, I read somewhere that it was merely semantics. In IV, Obi-Wan says something like "I don't remember ever owning a droid..." Supposedly that made all the difference.

 

[FireDancer]

Here's another one. On Dagoba (where Luke meets Yoda for training) and he is about to leave to go help Leia and Han, ehtereal Obiwan says to Yoda "He is our last hope." Yoda says "No, there is another." (speaking of his sister Leia). Should Obiwan already know this? For goodness sake, he WAS THERE when they were born.

Actually, in hind sight, I think Yoda was talking about Anakin/Vader in this scene, not Leia. Ultimately it was Vader who killed the Emperor, not Luke or Leia.

The prophecy that Anakin would destroy the Sith turned out, ultimately, to be true. In Episode III Obi-Wan says to Vader "You were the Chosen One! You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them...Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!" Well, that is what happened in the end.

 

[Quiksilvr]

At least Episode I. I never understood why...if the goal was to keep Luke hidden from the Emperor, why they would choose to raise him on the same planet where his father was the first human to win the Pod Races thirty years prior. I MEAN REALLY!

In the novelization of Episode III, the author provided the reasoning for why they took Luke to Tatooine. Evidently, Yoda believed that Vader would do his best to avoid Tatooine because it brought back too many memories of Anakin Skywalker, who Vader was doing his best to bury completely. Much better for his Sith psyche, I guess.

I think another point worth mentioning is that Luke was brought up by Owen and Baru Lars way out in the middle of nowhere. I am no expert on Star Wars geography, but it's entirely possible that Luke was rarely in the city where Anakin grew up and won the pod race. That could be why no one on Tatooine put 2 and 2 together.

 

[WestCOT]

Actually, in hind sight, I think Yoda was talking about Anakin/Vader in this scene, not Leia. Ultimately it was Vader who killed the Emperor, not Luke or Leia.

He was definitely talking about Leia; initially, George Lucas had wanted to do a 4-6 film story arc in which Luke kills Darth Vader and becomes Palpatine's apprentice, leaving it up to Leia to restore balance to the force (and save Luke from the Dark Side).

 

[Quiksilvr]

The R2 / Obiwan issue is more difficult to expalin, but maybe Old Ben did recognize him and just didnt mention it....he wasnt the most honest / straightforward guy in his older years, after all he did tell Luke that "Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father"...which despite being "true, from a certain point of view" still wasnt the most honest comment in the world / galaxy.

I think this is the likely explanation. Ben had to know that it was the same R2 unit, especially once he saw the message from Princess Leia. She is quite explicit in the message that she is Leia from Alderaan, and that her father was someone Obi-wan knew quite well. He was smart enough to figure out the rest.

I think that he was trying to play his cards close to the vest. His relationship with Luke at that point was undeveloped enough that he wanted to minimize the information he shared about his past. Playing dumb also avoided many uncomfortable questions about Anakin Skywalker. Obi-wan was not proud of his part in unleashing Darth Vader into the Star Wars galaxy, and probably didn't see the point in sharing it with Luke.

 

[moburg]

You could always take the purist approach and say that Episodes I, II, III don't exist.

And that is the real answer. I, II and III had not yet been written, and there are several such paradoxes because of it. In ROTJ, Leia said she remembered her mother, but thats not possible because Padme died shortly after childbirth.


Face it, its a movie, or a series of movies, and the continuity is not going to be perfect, especially when the movies were made out of chronological order.

 

[Missy1961]

The thing that always got me was in Star Wars 6, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her "real" mother, and she says "she was beautiful, but very sad. She died when I was very young." How does Leia have any memories of her since she died when Leia was born?

 

[DizBelle]

And that is the real answer. I, II and III had not yet been written, and there are several such paradoxes because of it. In ROTJ, Leia said she remembered her mother, but thats not possible because Padme died shortly after childbirth.


Face it, its a movie, or a series of movies, and the continuity is not going to be perfect, especially when the movies were made out of chronological order.

True. But it's fun to discuss it.

 

[MarilIncredible]

Seriously, quoting anything from Episodes I - III is not at all something to be proud of.

 

[DizBelle]

The thing that always got me was in Star Wars 6, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her "real" mother, and she says "she was beautiful, but very sad. She died when I was very young." How does Leia have any memories of her since she died when Leia was born?

Maybe she used the Force...

 

[Jennasis]

Ahhh the things that keep us up at night.

 

[liamsaunt]

The thing that always got me was in Star Wars 6, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her "real" mother, and she says "she was beautiful, but very sad. She died when I was very young." How does Leia have any memories of her since she died when Leia was born?

I always assumed she was referring to her adoptive mother--Bail Organa's wife (don't know her name). I don't remember it ever being said when that character died. Did she survive until Alderaan was blown up by the Death Star? And we don't know if Leia grew up knowing that she was adopted anyway, right?

 

[Wall-E1]

Who shot first - Han or Greedo?