sorry..Dvi ?

jann1033

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i remember someone mentioning to get a dvi monitor( not sure why but i'll just do it:lmao: ) but all the computers i find in my price range say no dvi interface...so can i not use a dvi monitor( i found one i want in my price range) with that computer without doing some kind of replacing something? and will that be obsolete when they go to the digital only tv junk next yr?
 
i remember someone mentioning to get a dvi monitor( not sure why but i'll just do it:lmao: ) but all the computers i find in my price range say no dvi interface...so can i not use a dvi monitor( i found one i want in my price range) with that computer without doing some kind of replacing something? and will that be obsolete when they go to the digital only tv junk next yr?

Hmmm...so many misconceptions and so little time.

There are two common ways to connect a computer to a monitor - VGA (HD-15) and DVI. A VGA connector is a simple analog connector with three rows of five pins. It sends a seperate analog signal for each of the three color channels. Because CRT (the old thick style of monitors) are analog inside, using an analog signal wans't considered a problem.

With LCD monitors, people decided it was time to send a digital signal to the monitor. The DVI connector was designed for that purpose. It's actually a pretty complicated connector. It can send an analog signal (DVI-A, very rare), a digital signal (DVI-D), or a combination of both (DVI-I).

Most LCD monitors will accept either a DVI connector or a VGA connector. There are also adaptors that convert a VGA output from your computer into a DVI-A output for your monitor. You can use this if the monitor doesn't have a VGA port and the DVI port supports DVI-A (not just DVI-D). The easy way to tell is by looking at the DVI port on the monitor. On one side, you'll see a thin horizontal line. If their are four holes (two above and two below), it should be able to handle DVI-A. If there is only a line with no holes above or below it, your computer needs a real DVI port, not just a VGA port with an adaptor.

You can get the monitor you want now, even with a non-DVI computer, if it has a VGA port or it can speak DVI-A. In the latter case, you'll need an adaptor. You won't get as good a picture as you would with a real DVI port on your computer.

TV is a different beast. TV's usually take different types of connectors. Some take VGA and/or DVI, but most don't. The modern standard for connecting digitally to TV's is HDMI. It's a different connector altogether. You can get a DVI-D to HDMI adaptor. It won't transmit audio (which HDMI does) and it isn't compatible with HDCP (a form of copy protection), but it will work for most stuff.

The whole 2009 thing is way overblown for most people. It doesn't affect cable or satellite TV at all. Well, sort of. It is a requirement that TV stations no longer broadcast in analog. So if you are getting TV over the air and you have an old (non-digital) TV, you wont' be able to get those channels without a special box. The boxes will be act like an antenna receiving the digital signals and then they'll convert them back into the old analog signal that your old TV understands. The new signals TV broadcasters send out don't have to be high definition, just digital.

The "well, sort of" in the prior paragraph is for people with analog cable for some or all of their cable channels. I'm not aware of any requirement that the cable providers drop or continue sending analog cable stations. There might be rules regarding this, but I'm not aware of any. They might continue to send analog channels or they might switch those to digital channels. In the latter case, you'll either need a newer, digital capable TV or a cable box. This is only an issue if you connect your cable straight to your TV and you have a non-digital ready TV.

So nobody's TV will be junk. Well, no more "junk" than it might be already. Even if you still have a working 1950's B&W TV, you can still use it. You'll need a new digital-to-analog converter box (which will be cheap), a cable box, or a satelite box. It still won't get color or high definition channels, but it will still work.
 
Ahh, and just wait til next year(?) when they throw the new connector at us. It looks like a USB port and is many times faster. Can't remember where I read it or when it's coming, but it's coming. I just love technology. (Do I see a Mac Air in my futrue?)
 
Hmmm...so many misconceptions and so little time.

There are two common ways to connect a computer to a monitor - VGA (HD-15) and DVI.

Don't forget about HDMI monitors. I am currently using an HP 22" monitor and it has a VGA and HDMI imput.

My previous monitor is a View Sonic that has a VGA and a DVI imput.

My old computer has only a DVI output so before I got the ViewSonic monitor I had an adaptor that attached to the computer. Then I just used regular monitor cable. When I got the ViewSonic I just took of the adaptor.

My current computer has both a DVI and HDMI output. So right now I can use both my 22" monitor and my 32" HDTV which is right next to the computer. I haven't set it up yet though. I can use the HDMI output to the TV and for the monitor it came with an adaptor to attach to the computer so I can use a regular VGA cable.

The unfortunate thing with my setup is that our TV only has 1 HDMI imput. So I'd have to use the composite video cable from the cable box rather than the HDMI cable. In this case we'll lose HD resolution (1080i with Verizon down to 480p). The computer does have an HD DVD player in it.

This is why I haven't set up the computer to the TV yet. Maybe now its time to upgrade the TV to an HDTV with 3 HDMI imputs. Ya, that will go over REAL well with DW. Forget I said anything.....
 

Don't forget about HDMI monitors. I am currently using an HP 22" monitor and it has a VGA and HDMI imput.

My previous monitor is a View Sonic that has a VGA and a DVI imput.

My old computer has only a DVI output so before I got the ViewSonic monitor I had an adaptor that attached to the computer. Then I just used regular monitor cable. When I got the ViewSonic I just took of the adaptor.

My current computer has both a DVI and HDMI output. So right now I can use both my 22" monitor and my 32" HDTV which is right next to the computer. I haven't set it up yet though. I can use the HDMI output to the TV and for the monitor it came with an adaptor to attach to the computer so I can use a regular VGA cable.

The unfortunate thing with my setup is that our TV only has 1 HDMI imput. So I'd have to use the composite video cable from the cable box rather than the HDMI cable. In this case we'll lose HD resolution (1080i with Verizon down to 480p). The computer does have an HD DVD player in it.

This is why I haven't set up the computer to the TV yet. Maybe now its time to upgrade the TV to an HDTV with 3 HDMI imputs. Ya, that will go over REAL well with DW. Forget I said anything.....

I haven't seen monitors or computers with HDMI inputs. It doesn't surprise me, though. HDMI is sort of an extension on DVI-D. Once you've built the circuits for DVI, changing it to HDMI (particularly if you don't support sound or HDCP) is trivial. My guess is that they probably built generic chipsets that support both.

Can't you hook up your cable box using component cables instead of composite? My connection choices for TV in order of preference would be: HDMI, DVI, VGA, Component, S-Video, Composite, RF (coax).

I'm sure that you can find HDMI switch boxes. That should solve your input problem. You'll just need to reprogram your remote to handle the switchbox.
 
I'm not aware of any requirement that the cable providers drop or continue sending analog cable stations. There might be rules regarding this, but I'm not aware of any. They might continue to send analog channels or they might switch those to digital channels.

They will continue sending analog through cable. The purpose of the law is to recover the over air bandwidth, so signals sent over cable are not a problem.

Kevin
 
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I haven't seen monitors or computers with HDMI inputs. It doesn't surprise me, though. HDMI is sort of an extension on DVI-D. Once you've built the circuits for DVI, changing it to HDMI (particularly if you don't support sound or HDCP) is trivial. My guess is that they probably built generic chipsets that support both.

Can't you hook up your cable box using component cables instead of composite? My connection choices for TV in order of preference would be: HDMI, DVI, VGA, Component, S-Video, Composite, RF (coax).

I'm sure that you can find HDMI switch boxes. That should solve your input problem. You'll just need to reprogram your remote to handle the switchbox.

Your right. I meant component rather than composite. I got them confused.

I haven't heard of HDMI switches. I'll have to check those out.

HP has a few models that have the HDMI imput (mine is HPw2207h) as does ViewSonic (and others too I would guess). I'm sure that you'll be seeing a lot more as newer models come out. Also you'll see many more video cards on computers with an HDMI output. The 3 different computers I was looking at buying all had VGA and HDMI outputs on the video card.
 
skipping over most of the posts back to basics:lmao:(insert head swimming smilie) so why do they say no dvi interface? is that unusual? are they old models they are trying ot get rid of? one has an anthon 64x 6000( ok i know the name and the 6000 are right pretty sure about the 64) which i thought was a newer processor
just when i think i have an vague idea what to get something else comes up

mind if i ask what you were looking at handicap? i was pretty much figuring on an hp since i heard a few places dell has not been great lately. i'd like to stay under 1000 with the monitor( or at least close) want 3gb memory and as much hard drive as i can...other than that i don't care much although i like the hp and i think gateway personal media drives...would be convenient but might be something i wouldn't use llike i think i would.i think due to our lack of expertise it would be as easier way to expand the drive sometime

ok any opinions on what kind to get or forget????????
 
skipping over most of the posts back to basics:lmao:(insert head swimming smilie) so why do they say no dvi interface? is that unusual? are they old models they are trying ot get rid of? one has an anthon 64x 6000( ok i know the name and the 6000 are right pretty sure about the 64) which i thought was a newer processor
just when i think i have an vague idea what to get something else comes up

mind if i ask what you were looking at handicap? i was pretty much figuring on an hp since i heard a few places dell has not been great lately. i'd like to stay under 1000 with the monitor( or at least close) want 3gb memory and as much hard drive as i can...other than that i don't care much although i like the hp and i think gateway personal media drives...would be convenient but might be something i wouldn't use llike i think i would.i think due to our lack of expertise it would be as easier way to expand the drive sometime

ok any opinions on what kind to get or forget????????

Jann, I was basically looking at 3 different HP Elite computers. I ended up with the HP m9150f (the letters might be a bit different, I don't have it in front of me). There is a slightly lesser model, the 9050 or 9040. 2.4gHz quad intel processor, 3GB ram, TV tuner/PVR. Hard drive is a bit different on each, anywhere from 640GB to 1TB. Mine has 2 360GB hd's. The one I went with has a little bit better video card. The monitor is something I hadn't planned on spending as much money on. I was going to go with a 22", but was looking at an Acer. When I got to the store they didn't have the specific one I was leaning towards that I saw on line. As I was looking at different monitors I kept going back to the HP. It has an awesome picture. Nice and bright and very detailed. The others seemed a bit blah in comparison.

Mine total was just a tad over $1400. The monitor itself is $330. I haven't looked at the circulars in todays papers, but Circuit City did have I think the HP 9050 at around $979. It might be going lower as it is an older model. The monitor I went with is the HP w2207h. The 19" is less expensive.

I too was originally looking at Dell's and also ran into more than a few people who also said they haven't been great recently. Reviews on the HP models I was looking at were all getting between 4-5 stars on a few different web sites. The biggest issue most people seemed to have is with the wireless keyboard and mouse. I haven't had any issues. I just need to figure out a better way to get a TV connection to the computer. Verizon's cable box doesn't have a coaxal out so I can't, right now, use the computer like I used to use the VCR (when we had Comcast). I have to run a seperate cable from the basement directly to the computer. We'll see how that goes.
 
Have all of the cable companies committed to that?

Well, they are not bound by any laws concerning analog signals, so they can do whatever they want already. But, they like renting the cable boxes to you, so they could easily cut analog and require a box rental for everyone. You would not also need a converter box.

Kevin
 
J monitor I went with is the HP w2207h. The 19" is less expensive.
thanks the one you bought looks like it is close to what i was looking at...best buy has a package with a monitor,printer,and a cord or something that is a pretty good price. i was thinking of the acer monitor as well but with the pack the hp would be about the same. hub really wants the quad core, i just want a new computer that doesn't take 20mins to convert a raw photo to jpg:rotfl:
 
thanks the one you bought looks like it is close to what i was looking at...best buy has a package with a monitor,printer,and a cord or something that is a pretty good price. i was thinking of the acer monitor as well but with the pack the hp would be about the same. hub really wants the quad core, i just want a new computer that doesn't take 20mins to convert a raw photo to jpg:rotfl:

OH WOW! What a difference now with that. With the computer I was using it took forever and a day to upload and convert.

The other day I had 32 RAW files that needed uploading and converting. The whole process (with no other processing, ie: white balance, cropping, etc...) took less than 10 minutes. I should have timed it, but I wasn't expecting it to happen so fast. With my old computer it probably would have taken 1/2 hour or longer.

The longest time of course is converting from RAW to JPEG. Each file took seconds instead of minutes. The difference in speed now is HUGE!
 
The cheaper machines generally don't have DVI because their video cards are integrated with the motherboard, and usually when that's the case, they only have a basic VGA output. (There may be exceptions but I haven't seen 'em yet.) Meanwhile, most any add-in video card (which are not necessarily expensive, you can get good non-gaming ones for under $50) will have a VGA and a DVI output, plus they don't share memory with the motherboard like the onboard cards do. Generally, the PCs you'll see advertised that do have DVI are using an add-in card from the factory.
 
The cheaper machines generally don't have DVI because their video cards are integrated with the motherboard, and usually when that's the case, they only have a basic VGA output. (There may be exceptions but I haven't seen 'em yet.) Meanwhile, most any add-in video card (which are not necessarily expensive, you can get good non-gaming ones for under $50) will have a VGA and a DVI output, plus they don't share memory with the motherboard like the onboard cards do. Generally, the PCs you'll see advertised that do have DVI are using an add-in card from the factory.

Thanks
 

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