"Some of them are doing it wrong."

DaddyBrady

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So, it seems we have at least two ways of interpreting the 180 day / 10 day rules. There are some people who are making December reservations at least 5 days before they should be able to do so. My 180 days is Monday, but on a chance, I called. Sure enough--I got V&A for December 12. She then transferred me to someone else, who made a couple more reservations both before and after.

But, in the midst of making my final reservation, I got disconnected. (My bad.) Called back, got a different person, who said it's "At 180 days before your arrival, you can make reservations for 10 days after." Which is pretty much what we all think. I then said that I've gotten different interpretations, and he commented "Some of them are doing it wrong."

It seems like you can talk some people into turning it into 190 days before...sort of. So, at least until someone gets a memo, I'd say try it!
 
That's probably why some times were filled already when I called at 7 am on my 180 days out.
 
Well, I guess I am going to try tomorrow for our Dec 19 ADR's!
 
Aidensmom said:
Well, I guess I am going to try tomorrow for our Dec 19 ADR's!
I've spent an unfortunate amount of time thinking about this, and I think I've figured out why the CMs are confused.

Think about how it is supposed to work. I am arriving on 12/9. 180 days before this is Monday, 06/12. At this point, I can make ADRs for the next 10 days, or from 12/9 through 12/18.

But think about someone who arrives on 12/1. He can make reservations beginning 6/2, and those reservations run from 12/1 through 12/11. The person who arrives on 12/2 can make reservations through 12/12. Etc. So, by the time I get to my 180 days prior to 12/9, there are people who have had as much as 10 days earlier access than me to the ADRs at the beginning of my trip.

So, there are resort guests who have a 9-day "head start" on me, at least for the beginning of my trip.

In order for this to work, the computer system must be loaded with the available "slots" 190 days in advance. I think this is why the CMs are confused. Before this new rule, the system would only allow them to book ADRs for people 90 days in advance. It simply wasn't an option to book ADRs earlier than that. (Remember that WDW changed two rules at the same time. They pushed the ADRs from 90 to 180 days in advance, and at the same time also added the 10 day period for resort guests.)

The computer system for ADRs obviously cannot apply the logic needed to determine that one person CAN make an ADR for this date but another person CAN'T. Disney is relying on CMs to understand the rules to determine this.

The capability to make an ADR 190 days in advance of the actual date must exist. It relies on the CM to "allow" someone to actually make that ADR in compliance with the rules. The slots HAVE TO BE LOADED. (I've had CMs say that the avaibility has or has not been "loaded", which is where I get this term.)

What does this mean? (Sorry to keep going on so long on this.)

1) Disney's information systems never keep pace with its business rules. I'm a systems' implementer, I know whereof I speak, and I can give you NUMEROUS EXAMPLES of this with the Mouse. I've worked for firms that have implemented systems at Disney, and trust me, their systems are not exactly robust. In fact, I'd say as a rule Disney's parks and resorts information systems always lag behind the business rules P&R management devises.

2) So, the actual implementation of their business rules relies on the CMs and their abilitiy to understand these rules. I think, and there are some other posts that support this, the ADR CMs work from home, or at least many of them do. (Ever heard a barking dog when your CM picks up? I did today.) They're pretty much on their own. (Twice today I had a CM disappear for A VERY LONG TIME to "check" something; in normal call center environments a check with the supervisor doesn't take nearly that long.) Bottom line: the CM quite reasonably assumes that if the computer lets them make an ADR, it must be allowed. From the perspective of a CM who's working form her living room with a baby in the next room and a dog in the kitchen and a system that worked that way up to last year, this is not an unreasonable assumption. And if a guest is ever so slightly persistent....

3) Free dining in August/September is screwing everything up. There is clear evidence that because of the free Disney Dining Plan, people have figured out they need to make ADRs much sooner. I suspect the ADR CMs are getting slammed. I may be making ADRs out six months, but my call is in the queue with people making ADRs for Summer and Fall.

Okay, I've gone on far too long for this topic. Keep watching this forum to see if experience bears out my theses.

Or ignore this because I'm rambling on.
 

LuluLovesDisney, I understand what you mean but it's not quite for that reason.

Your 180 days out, will already have fallen into others 180 + 10 days as they are arriving 1-10 days before you, so were able to secure the date earlier than you.

In the same way some arriving the day after you will find that their date and the next 9 have been able to be booked by you before them ................ oh I have rambled a bit there but I hope you follow me ......LOL

Val
xx
 
DaddyBrady said:
I've spent an unfortunate amount of time thinking about this, and I think I've figured out why the CMs are confused.

Excellent summary!!!! I followed your logic and agree. the system is built one way....the "rules" say something diff't so on any given day, a CM can decide to interpret or book ADRs as they want to up to a full 190 days before the ADR.

Don't know what anyone can do about that. i suppose as you suggest...try at the 190 day mark, try again.

Personally I was amazed. We added a last minute trip the end of Sept w/ the free dining and I was able to book all my ADRs almost at the exact times I wanted for most, slight diffs on some, and I'm just over the 3mth mark.
 
The CMs aren't always asking what day you are arriving, and that would fix some of it. Have you seen those calendars at convenience stores that help the clerk calculate who is old enough to buy alcohol? It says "Birthdate on or before this date of this year" so they won't have to try to figure someone's age in their head. The CMs need a calendar that updates every day saying "Guests arriving on or before XX-XX-2006 may make reservations today."
 
It actually would not be that difficult to program a system to allow the use of the arrival dates of those eligable for the 180+10 to be used to open up the dates ADRs would be allowed for. It would go something like this...

-You call for your ADRs and give your reservation number to the CM.
-The computer pulls up your reservation and then shows the 180+10 dates, making it clear what you could and could not set ADRs for.
-CM's don't have to do any guessing, as the computers would calculate the days for them.

Now, this may cause some problems, especially if CRT reservations pick up again. If one gets a situation like the OLD CRT issues, then the original steps would slow the process down.

Still, it isn't anything TOO hard to program for a computer to do. Seems strange they DON'T have this system already set up.
 
LilyWDW said:
It actually would not be that difficult to program a system to allow the use of the arrival dates of those eligable for the 180+10 to be used to open up the dates ADRs would be allowed for. It would go something like this...

-You call for your ADRs and give your reservation number to the CM.
-The computer pulls up your reservation and then shows the 180+10 dates, making it clear what you could and could not set ADRs for.
-CM's don't have to do any guessing, as the computers would calculate the days for them.

Now, this may cause some problems, especially if CRT reservations pick up again. If one gets a situation like the OLD CRT issues, then the original steps would slow the process down.

Still, it isn't anything TOO hard to program for a computer to do. Seems strange they DON'T have this system already set up.

I'm fairly sure that they DO have it set up this way. The issue occurs when the CM doesn't ask for your confirmation number, and just assumes that you are calling on your 180 day mark. As others have mentioned, this isn't the norm, but it does happen.
 
DaddyBrady said:
I've spent an unfortunate amount of time thinking about this, and I think I've figured out why the CMs are confused.

Think about how it is supposed to work. I am arriving on 12/9. 180 days before this is Monday, 06/12. At this point, I can make ADRs for the next 10 days, or from 12/9 through 12/18.

Okay, I've gone on far too long for this topic. Keep watching this forum to see if experience bears out my theses.

Or ignore this because I'm rambling on.

You are my new favorite Disboards geek!!! Thank you!

:thumbsup2
 
Still, it isn't anything TOO hard to program for a computer to do. Seems strange they DON'T have this system already set up.
You sound like my product manager. :lmao:

I don't know all the intricacies of WDW's computer systems, but I know my own commercial product, and know that there are literally dozens of things that have to happen in order to get one little feature in. Something that takes me five minutes to implement in code could end up costing the company big bucks.
 


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