Soarin' Line Cutter's

[mumzie2three]

No problem, you can get back on the road where you exited after using the facilities. But, the people on the road that were behind you before you got off are now in front of you.

Right! And the same thing would happen if my group were to reach the ride prior to my return. Those behind us would benefit from me leaving, especially the longer I took to return. If my family is still in the same place in line and I was going to ride with them as a group, what does it hurt to let one (or 2 in the case of a mother and child) person return to their original place in line. I still assert that it's no skin off anyone's nose to let kid's leave the line for a potty break and not punish the whole family by having to leave the line as well.
If you have bigger and better bowels than me and my family, congratulations!!!! I'd rather have a small bladder and a big heart.

 

[ihearttink]

If you have bigger and better bowels than me and my family, congratulations!!!! I'd rather have a small bladder and a big heart.

As I posted previously, I said we all leave the line if one of us has to go to the bathroom, I never had DH or DD hold a spot while I went to the bathroom. Also, I have to take a diuretic every day because of an illness I have that causes serious fluid retention, so I understand about small bladders .

 

[Vijoge]

My point was that you shouldn't expect people to be nice about you skipping ahead because you or someone in your party had to pee.

If I've been waiting in line for 30 minutes and I leave the line because I have to pee and then return I am NOT skipping ahead of ANYONE. I am merely resuming my original spot in line. Or maybe I should just pee in my shoes. . .

 

[disneyfav4ever]

Well, I tour solo. Am I entitled to get myself a FastPass and then cut in front of 20 or 30 other people? "I would have been in the line up there, only I had to get a FastPass! See that guy right there? I was right behind him until I detoured over to the FastPass machine! Honest Injun I was!"

Sorry, that dog won't wash. If you can't get in line with your family, your family should have the courtesy to wait for you. If they don't, a bunch of other people in line should not be punished for your family's impatience.

And I should not be punished for not having a family. If you really think you're entitled to cut in front of a bunch of people because you took a detour to the FP machines, then so should I.

I agree with this! I never had a real problem with cutters, but if I did, I wouldn't let them push ahead of me. I will always go for FP's first, and wait the ten extra minutes or so, since I know I'll get to ride a second time with no wait. I don't know why some people are so rude to just save five or ten minutes. Everyone paid their fair share for park admission, so they have just as much right as everyone else, regardless of their age or whatever. Though for little kids trying to get back to their parents, bathroom breaks wouldn't bother me.

 

[raidermatt]

Its Disney's lines and they seem to have set the expectation that if somebody needs to leave the line to go to the bathroom its acceptable to return to the same place. One person holding the line for a group of others just so they don't have to wait/hurry is not.

Ask enough CMs and you'll get exceptions of course, but that's always the case.

As for courtesy, I agree its discourteous to hold spots in lines for people just because they don't want to wait. But at the same time, I think it would discourteous of me to tell the mother of a 2 year old that they have to go to the back of the 1 hour+ line because their child had to go potty.

Maybe she tried her best to plan the bathroom breaks, maybe she didn't. But geez, being courteous doesn't just mean do as I want you to or I will physically stop you from doing what you are doing. If I can't cut a parent and a kid with a small bladder some slack, how courteous a person am I really?

 

[raidermatt]

I should also add that if they were rudely pushing their way back through, that's a little different than politely saying "excuse me", "sorry", "had a bathroom emergency", etc.

 

[eblack0409]

Its Disney's lines and they seem to have set the expectation that if somebody needs to leave the line to go to the bathroom its acceptable to return to the same place. One person holding the line for a group of others just so they don't have to wait/hurry is not.

Ask enough CMs and you'll get exceptions of course, but that's always the case.

As for courtesy, I agree its discourteous to hold spots in lines for people just because they don't want to wait. But at the same time, I think it would discourteous of me to tell the mother of a 2 year old that they have to go to the back of the 1 hour+ line because their child had to go potty.

Maybe she tried her best to plan the bathroom breaks, maybe she didn't. But geez, being courteous doesn't just mean do as I want you to or I will physically stop you from doing what you are doing. If I can't cut a parent and a kid with a small bladder some slack, how courteous a person am I really?

I second these thoughts.....it would be so nice if people just remembered common courtesy....

DH and I were waiting for "It's a small world" on our last trip....we had a parent with 2 young children in front of us...the youngest one (after waiting patiently for 25 mins) has to potty....I told the mother that I would be more than happy to watch the older child for her, or hold her spot if she felt more comfortable taking both children.....well, she just couldn't believe that a perfect stranger could be so nice...I watched her older child...who happened to be quite the talker!!! And when she returned, I let them right back where they were.....the little girl who had to potty hugged my leg and said 'thank you'......that made my day!

Shouldn't this just be part of the ***magic*** of Disney?!?!

 

[Tosie]

I've noticed there is quite a lot of people who are walking normally going to the front of the queue, but with the walking stick in there hand for added effect. Also, why are ridiculously fat* people allowed to the front too? Are they being rewarded for over eating?

*political correctness is not recognised in my house.

My dh has multiple sclerosis, and there may be times when a "walking stick" will come in handy. Luckily, he's only had that happen once (and not at Disney). So even though someone "appears" to be perfectly fine, you just may not know what they have to deal with on a daily basis. (MS is often called an "invisible disease). I'm sure there are folks that do it for effect and there's nothing wrong with them. You just never know.

That being said, there's no reason not to wait in line like everyone else.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I totally disagree....people aren't given respect because of their age..they have to EARN it.....not to mention...the only people who get to move ahead in the line are wheelchair people....which if they were walking, they shouldn't have had special treatment.
People just need to remember common courtesy!

Fortunately, the queue for Soarin' was designed to accommodate wheelchairs the entire way, so - no cuts!

Yes, by all means People with Disabilities should get a special line, or card to get in front of the line as necessary and I have no problem with that.

Sure, as necessary. I use an ECV to tour theme parks. I personally do NOT need to go to the front of ANY line.

I haven't read all the posts but I am SO AFRAID of being accused of line jumping that when DS has to go to the bathroom and we're in line, we get OUT of line, go to the bathroom, and then get back IN line AT THE END. Sure, grandma is with us and she could "hold our place" until DS gets finished. BUT, to me its not worth the hassle to try to get back to where we were.

On occasion, I (solo traveler) have had to leave a line suddenly. If I have time, and if the option is available, I will quickly explain my issue to the Greeter before I leave, and ask if it's possible to get a FastPass for immediate return. Okay, fine, I've only done it once, at Soarin', and the CM was sympathetic. I had been AT the front of the line, so I'd waited quite a while already.

The reason rules work so well (like always stop at a stop sign) is

A what? I drive in Boston. What's this "stop sign" thing of which you speak? People actually stop? Really? Amazing!

The people I'm talking about are the obese people who drive on the motorised carts, they get to the front.

VERY seldom, especially on the newer attractions where the lines are mainstreamed. But on the attractions where Guests of ALL sizes who are in wheelchairs use an alternate entrance, (A) the regular line can't accommodate the wheelchair/ECV and (B) frequently the wait is actually LONGER for these Guests.

I find the extra wide queues at Soarin confusing. If the queue is wide enough for 6 bodies, why shouldn't I pass people if there's room? I'm not talking about plowing people over, but if there's room in front of me, why not move up? The space is meant to be filled in, otherwise it would have been made single file.

Um, because all those people ahead of you have been waiting longer than you and get to get on/in the attraction before you?

 

[SueM in MN]

Fortunately, the queue for Soarin' was designed to accommodate wheelchairs the entire way, so - no cuts!

All the queues at AK and the Studio are Mainstream (wheelchair accessible). Most of the attractions at MK and Epcot are too (there are some, like Spaceship Earth, that were not able to be retrofitted).
Anyway, the wide lines that are needed for wheelchair accessibility make it easier for people to cut in the lines. More space makes it easier to get by people.

 

[brooklynfamily]

And I believe it was in kindergarten that I first heard the time honored phrase "Save me a spot" - whether it be a seat at the lunch table, a place in line at the swings, or the desired seat in Assembly.

And you know what? Kids still use the phrase, and most importantly, respect the phrase. And so do adults - at least the ones I know. I may be standing in line at the checkout line in the supermarket, and at some point, the husband of the woman in front of me suddenly appears with ten more items (no, its not the express line). Gotta tell ya, I am NOT gonna get bent outta shape about it - heck, the woman is, in effect, the Family Representative, and she Was There Before I Was! I have never seen anyone who would consider that hubbie was cutting - he is merely joining her.

(Too many posters here using "saving a place" and "cutting" interchangeably - and they are NOT the same.....)

And everyone tell the truth now - when you go to a crowded movie, doesnt Mom (or Dad) go to get (for everyone) the best seats available while Dad (or Mom) and the Kids wait on the popcorn line?

Following the "logic" I have read here by so many tightly wound people, when a family goes to the movies, either EVERYone in the family should wait on the popcorn line together, or, if Mom or Dad or Kid goes to the seats, well, they cant save the seats next to them.

Tell me, all you who are opposed to someone saving a place in line for the rest of their family - if you went into the theater, and the only seats left were way off to the side, or two empties right there dead center - as you went to the center seats, someone tells you "I'm saving these for my Wife and Kid" - would you sit in them anyway???

Every summer, the New York Philharmonic plays a free concert on the Great Lawn in Central Park. About 50,000 people attend that concert (in a space a fraction the size of MK, which has a 100,000 capacity). Verrrry early in the morning, hundreds of eager fans go to the Lawn, and place picnic blankets down as close to the stage as allowed. They then go off to work, or school, or wherever. When they come back to the park hours later (maybe 6:30 or so, for an 8 pm show) with their picnic dinner, the blankets are there, undisturbed and vacant. To me, that is the epitome of Polite Society

 

[WDW Poly Princess]

This is why I like the more narrow lines- You can stand with your arms on the rails at either side, which makes it a lot harder for people to just push past!

It would be nice if Disney set something up in the lines for rides like Soarin (where the standby is usually at least an hour) with CMs posted here and there throughout the line that you could go to if you had to get out for a child potty emergency (or similar)- they could give you some kind of pass, and when you returned, they could let you back in at that spot. The family could wait for them there, as well, so that you're not pushing past anyone to reclaim your spot, but you don't all have to get out of line, either.

The senior citezen story cracked me up because I work in a tourist town big with the senior crowd, and I've encountered that kind of attitude so many times! If you have some sort of physical reason for not being able to wait in a long line, Fast Pass makes most lines either nonexistant or a wait less than 10 minuets. In more extreme cases, Disney has the assistance passes. Just getting in the Standby line and pushing your way through is rude!

I do always get a giggle out of the people who try to cut by slipping into the FP line, and then get kicked out when they get to the point near the load area where the passes are collected.

No, line cutters aren't going to ruin your vacation, and they're not the end of the world, but that's no reason to just allow them, either. The whole reason behind rules is that everything runs much more smoothly and safely in the parks if they are followed.

 

[Toulouse]

And I believe it was in kindergarten that I first heard the time honored phrase "Save me a spot" - whether it be a seat at the lunch table, a place in line at the swings, or the desired seat in Assembly.

And you know what? Kids still use the phrase, and most importantly, respect the phrase. And so do adults - at least the ones I know. I may be standing in line at the checkout line in the supermarket, and at some point, the husband of the woman in front of me suddenly appears with ten more items (no, its not the express line). Gotta tell ya, I am NOT gonna get bent outta shape about it - heck, the woman is, in effect, the Family Representative, and she Was There Before I Was! I have never seen anyone who would consider that hubbie was cutting - he is merely joining her.

(Too many posters here using "saving a place" and "cutting" interchangeably - and they are NOT the same.....)

And everyone tell the truth now - when you go to a crowded movie, doesnt Mom (or Dad) go to get (for everyone) the best seats available while Dad (or Mom) and the Kids wait on the popcorn line?

Following the "logic" I have read here by so many tightly wound people, when a family goes to the movies, either EVERYone in the family should wait on the popcorn line together, or, if Mom or Dad or Kid goes to the seats, well, they cant save the seats next to them.

Tell me, all you who are opposed to someone saving a place in line for the rest of their family - if you went into the theater, and the only seats left were way off to the side, or two empties right there dead center - as you went to the center seats, someone tells you "I'm saving these for my Wife and Kid" - would you sit in them anyway???

Every summer, the New York Philharmonic plays a free concert on the Great Lawn in Central Park. About 50,000 people attend that concert (in a space a fraction the size of MK, which has a 100,000 capacity). Verrrry early in the morning, hundreds of eager fans go to the Lawn, and place picnic blankets down as close to the stage as allowed. They then go off to work, or school, or wherever. When they come back to the park hours later (maybe 6:30 or so, for an 8 pm show) with their picnic dinner, the blankets are there, undisturbed and vacant. To me, that is the epitome of Polite Society

I can respect your opinion here but the difference is this... saving "spots" in lines cause everyone who was literally there before them to wait LONGER to experience the attraction (jeez, I sound like a Disney lawyer now).

Saving spots at a movie is a different thing, everyone paid admission to a general seating theatre, however there are only enough tickets sold for everyone to have seats, and everyone KNOWS what time the movie starts, no one has to wait any longer for it to start, no matter how many people got there before them, they just get worse seats.

Apples and oranges.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I may be standing in line at the checkout line in the supermarket, and at some point, the husband of the woman in front of me suddenly appears with ten more items (no, its not the express line). Gotta tell ya, I am NOT gonna get bent outta shape about it - heck, the woman is, in effect, the Family Representative, and she Was There Before I Was! I have never seen anyone who would consider that hubbie was cutting - he is merely joining her.

I respectfully disagree. One person gets in line while the other person continues to shop?? Uh uh. If that was the way things were supposed to work, they'd call it something other than the checkOUT line

And everyone tell the truth now - when you go to a crowded movie, doesnt Mom (or Dad) go to get (for everyone) the best seats available while Dad (or Mom) and the Kids wait on the popcorn line? Following the "logic" I have read here by so many tightly wound people, when a family goes to the movies, either EVERYone in the family should wait on the popcorn line together, or, if Mom or Dad or Kid goes to the seats, well, they cant save the seats next to them.

Um, a movie with seats? Where the whole family goes? And actually buys food? Drat, the things one misses out on by growing up in a large family with little money for extras. Nope, when my parents took us to the movies, we came with our own seats - sat in 'em on the way to the movie, then throughout the movie (okay, with maybe a little fighting) and all the way home.

 

[IwasatWDWforamonth]

You know what ive seen,,,,,,, while waiting for stitch during the grand opening a lady came up and shoved her 2 kids under the rope or bar cant remember which it was, anyhow she left them by us then went to the back of the line a hundred people back and then proceded to make her way thru the people to get to her kids.
This isnt about cutting but getting yelled at by guests, my mom and I had fastpasses for dinosaur and the standby line was long because the ride had been breaking down, well on our way in some guys were hollering loudly that we were cutting, then 15 minutes later they closed the ride, and everyone in line was getting a pass to return later , my mom and I decided we didnt need it so we left the line not pushing anyone becasue there was a 4 foot opening to get out, and as we were exiting they were hollering that we were cutting to get out of the line to leave the ride

One other time in POTC 2 people were taking pictures and we walked past them the entire time I heard them mumble about how we cut in front if them,,, there was like 15 other people in line if that, I couldnt beleive it bothered them so much that my mom and I kept walking past them to get to the line, I made sure that they were in front of us when they got to line line ,,,,we ended up on the same boat.

 

[DisneyMim]

Interesting thread. I'm going to put yet anther spin on it. We've been going to Disney forever and yes, we have absolutely noticed a HUGE increase of rude people over the years. That being said, I can honestly say we've never had to cut in line, that is, push our way because someone had to go to the bathroom, etc. I guess we are just a very odd family because we go before we get in line and have always done this even when our kids were little. My husband has cancer and I have firbomyalgia. We don't make any issue out of this at all, I'm just adding this to state that we have what some people would call a "reason" to go ahead. We usually let people cut in front of us if they say their family is up ahead. I could care less if I have to wait another minute or two. I would rather have rude people in front of me than behind me. The wierd thing is that we have noticed that we usually get BETTER seats and have a BETTER time than the rude people. A lot of times the CMS have noticed people cutting and we've actually been pulled out of line and walked to the front! Not always, but sometimes. Also in some "show" rides you're actually better off waiting. The rude people rush in, stop in the middle of the row and then we calmly walk in at the end go all around to the other side and sit directly in front of them. I admit Soarin is different. The wide space makes cutting really easy. When all else fails I use my last weapon. When some extremely rude family pushestheir way and I am "in the mood" I will look at my kids and say very loudly, "It's OK let them go, this is obviously their one and only time here and we come all the time". Than I smile at them. It gets them every time. Nobody wants to look like a Disney novice!!

 

[teachingmykids]

Last March, DD & I were going into Poco & Friends. We were close to the front of the crowd. A grandma type sat down and we sat beside her. She SCREAMED at us, "You can't sit here, I'm saving it for my family, they are eating ice cream." She was MAD, the emotion was unbelieveable. Normally, I would say something and SIT DOWN, but she scared the daylights out of my DD, there were plenty of good seats, so we moved on. She spent the next 10 minutes yelling at people to move. Her blood pressure must have been thru the roof. I really felt sorry for her, you could tell she was just a miserable person. Can you imagine her home life?

 

[Christopher Robin]

I think I have a solution...really...at least with the rides with really wide lines.

Simply divide the line down the middle, creating two 'normal' width lines. One line would be marked "No cutting allowed", for those here who don't tolerate line cutting. The other line would be marked "Cutting acceptable", for those here who do tolerate line cutting.

PS. I have a theory that no one here posting would use the "Cutting acceptable" line. Anyone care to dispute my theory? If not, then what does that say about those who tolerate the cutters?

 

[brooklynfamily]

You are right, the movie starts the same time for everyone - BUT, not all seats are equal - saving seats for a better view/saving spots for a quicker entry. Not identical, but equivalent

 

[Dopey420]

And I believe it was in kindergarten that I first heard the time honored phrase "Save me a spot" - whether it be a seat at the lunch table, a place in line at the swings, or the desired seat in Assembly.

And you know what? Kids still use the phrase, and most importantly, respect the phrase. And so do adults - at least the ones I know. I may be standing in line at the checkout line in the supermarket, and at some point, the husband of the woman in front of me suddenly appears with ten more items (no, its not the express line). Gotta tell ya, I am NOT gonna get bent outta shape about it - heck, the woman is, in effect, the Family Representative, and she Was There Before I Was! I have never seen anyone who would consider that hubbie was cutting - he is merely joining her.

(Too many posters here using "saving a place" and "cutting" interchangeably - and they are NOT the same.....)

And everyone tell the truth now - when you go to a crowded movie, doesnt Mom (or Dad) go to get (for everyone) the best seats available while Dad (or Mom) and the Kids wait on the popcorn line?

Following the "logic" I have read here by so many tightly wound people, when a family goes to the movies, either EVERYone in the family should wait on the popcorn line together, or, if Mom or Dad or Kid goes to the seats, well, they cant save the seats next to them.

Tell me, all you who are opposed to someone saving a place in line for the rest of their family - if you went into the theater, and the only seats left were way off to the side, or two empties right there dead center - as you went to the center seats, someone tells you "I'm saving these for my Wife and Kid" - would you sit in them anyway???

Every summer, the New York Philharmonic plays a free concert on the Great Lawn in Central Park. About 50,000 people attend that concert (in a space a fraction the size of MK, which has a 100,000 capacity). Verrrry early in the morning, hundreds of eager fans go to the Lawn, and place picnic blankets down as close to the stage as allowed. They then go off to work, or school, or wherever. When they come back to the park hours later (maybe 6:30 or so, for an 8 pm show) with their picnic dinner, the blankets are there, undisturbed and vacant. To me, that is the epitome of Polite Society

There are selfish people in this world that will do anything to get in front of people in a line, to get the last item in a store, to make a buck or whatever. Trying to rationalize it by saying that someone was saving your place is pathetic.