Soarin' Line Cutter's

[Gary M]

I don't see anything wrong with families joining someone already in line. Its not a problems or WRONG to me. I guess its subjective. Everyone feels differently about it. As long as Disney has no problem with it then I don't either. I mean really - how much longer did you have to wait - five maybe ten minutes?

How much longer would the line cutters have to wait-five maybe ten minutes. It's plain rude to line cut. Why should the OP have to wait the extra time and not the line cutters.

 

[Disneyrsh]

Ok, I see your point about me catching up with my family after getting the fast passes is cutting. Logically, it absolutely is.

It doesn't *feel* like I'm adding time to other people's wait, though, but I recognize that's not a valid argument, so I"m hereby reforming!

I was getting tired of all that running, anyway. I'll have to figure out another way to burn off all the all you can eat boo-fayz!

I hereby support all the people who have leave the line to take their kids to the bathroom, though. As the mother of a 5 and 7 year old, I can absolutely testify to the fact that you take them to go, you get in line, and halfway through, they have to go AGAIN.

Maybe it's a kid thing, teeny bladders+disney excitement=gotta go right now!

 

[mumzie2three]

I don't think you are being "punished", I just think it is a reality of parenthood. Look, waiting in line is a drag and we all wish that we didn't have to wait in them, but we do. Everyone's goal at that point is to get to the front of the line (you know that excited feeling you get when its your turn next ) I don't think the fact that it's a child having to go to the bathroom is the issue here, I think that we are taught at a very early age that you are supposed to "stand in line and wait your turn". Those that didn't were always punished and there were always tiffs when someone tried to cut. I think it's natural for people to get defensive when people "catch up" with their party, because of this.

If all 5 of us get in line and one of us has to use the bathroom, but the sel-appointed line police think we should ALL get out of line no matter how close we are to the ride...that's seems a tad punitive in my book. The poster I quoted wants the whole family to give up their place in line because one person in the group needs to step out of line.
Heck, I wouldn't even mind letting someone by me who stepped out of line to have a smoke! I'd rather they leave the line then to light up in my face. Same with bathroom breaks. I'd rather someone not have an accident "standing in line waiting their turn" for fear of losing a spot they may have been holding for 20-30 mins. Cutting in front of others vs returning to your original place in line are two different things. And the running red lights analogy was silly!

 

[cdrn1]

hey teachinmykids, Leave the senoirs alone! if anyone belongs at the front of the line it is the people who have worked hard all their life and have been productive members of society TEACHING THEIR KIDS, and yes I think they belong at the front of every line and should get the dicounts to go with it. Amen

Some of those seniors who spent their lives "teaching their kids" must have been asleep on the job, because I sure see a lot of inconsiderate people out there that I just want to thump on the head and say "Didn't your Mama teach you any better manners?"

Being elderly does not, IMHO, give you license to be rude. I agree that they should be given the utmost respect but they need to give it back, too.

 

[cdrn1]

Also, put me down as supporting the OP. If everyone felt entitled to jump the line for one reason or another, no one would ever reach the front. And for those of you who have made reference to the OP "getting too worked up over it" or whatever the words were, she didn't, that I can see. Just told us about an experience she had and what she thought about it.

 

[YellowXterra]

LINE CUTTERS SUCK for ANY REASON! ! ! ! !

 

[a*lil*bit*goofy]

Well, I tour solo. Am I entitled to get myself a FastPass and then cut in front of 20 or 30 other people? "I would have been in the line up there, only I had to get a FastPass! See that guy right there? I was right behind him until I detoured over to the FastPass machine! Honest Injun I was!"

this happened to me. a lady came up to me (in a line up for a hockey play off tickets quite a few years ago) and asked: is this the end of the line? and i said yes it is. and she said ok this is where i will stand.

um. ok.

then she walked off.

30 minutes later, with tonnes and tonnes of people behind me, she goes up to the couple behind me and stands in front of them. they told her 'the line ends way down there' and then she looked at me and said 'she (pointing to me) said this was the end of the line, and i said that i was going to stand here' then she says to me 'right this was my spot behind you i said it was. '

so of course i said 'hmmm. actually these people got in line behind me and have been waiting. u asked me if it was the end of the line"

she started yelling and making a scene about how she claimed that spot to be hers. ROFL!

we suggested she ask if anyone was willing to let her inline.

apparently noone was. LOLOLOL

so yea there are all kinds. isn't that terrible?!?!

 

[richs52]

My point was that you shouldn't expect people to be nice about you skipping ahead because you or someone in your party had to pee. If your family gets out of line you are inconveniencing only yourselves. If you need to skip ahead of 100 people, you are inconveniencing 100 people.

Potty breaks, Smoke breaks, Fastpass collection? Where do you draw the line?

If all 5 of us get in line and one of us has to use the bathroom, but the sel-appointed line police think we should ALL get out of line no matter how close we are to the ride...that's seems a tad punitive in my book. The poster I quoted wants the whole family to give up their place in line because one person in the group needs to step out of line.
Heck, I wouldn't even mind letting someone by me who stepped out of line to have a smoke! I'd rather they leave the line then to light up in my face. Same with bathroom breaks. I'd rather someone not have an accident "standing in line waiting their turn" for fear of losing a spot they may have been holding for 20-30 mins. Cutting in front of others vs returning to your original place in line are two different things. And the running red lights analogy was silly!

 

[Grumpy23]

Wow, I have to admit, this is the first heated debate I have seen since joining the boards. Some interesting perspectives from some folks.

I have to agree on the line cutters who do it in a rude way. I am a Mom and Grandma and can certainly understand a child who suddenly has to go while in line. If a person was in front of me and had to excuse themselves to use the bathroom, I would be ok with it, after all, they were there before me. But, if in the case of the OP, it was a large family group who joined one person in line, I think it's unfair to claim a spot, if your group is not ready, just like the lady in the grocery store. Now that was just wrong

This is our 4th year going to WDW, it is me, my husband and my teenage son. If the 3 of us are not prepared to enter a ride line, we wait until we are all ready, it's just common courtesy. Now with that being said, we very rarely stand in the the long lines at the park. We have let more rides pass us by, because of the lines. My husband had total knee replacement a few years ago and the doc botched the operation, so he had to have it redone 9 months after the first one. Needless to say, his knee never had the time to heal properly from the damage of the first one, and he has never been the same since, with ligament damage, etc. He now is 53 and walks with a cane. He is a retired police officer and doesn't feel that he needs any special treatment and his pride stops him from getting an ECV as he believes there are others that need it more than him.

There are times when we walk to up a ride to find a long line and the CM will wave him over to the handicap entrance. My son and I then proceed to join the folks waiting in line, even though it meant we would be separated from my husband during the ride. We have had CM's tell us to enter with my husband so we can ride with him. I can tell you, we have gotten dirty looks and I feel guilty about it. It really is a difficult predicament for us. He cannot "stand" in a line for a long period of time, and although getting a fastpass is an option, if we are on the other side of the park, he doesn't want to walk back to the ride. Sure we could probably do the "me and son wait in line, and DH joins us when we are up front" but we wouldn't feel right doing that. So what it boils down to, is usually just walk the parks and get on a ride if it is convenient for us. We enjoy riding together and the limitations sometimes prevent us from doing that.

Sadly, there are people out there that ruin it for those who truly do have a medical problem, people who use wheelchairs and shouldn't and people who don't have true disabilities but pretend they do, so that they don't have to wait in line.

I usually show the utmost respect for my elders, and if there were an elderly couple who I sympathized with, I would let them go in front of me. Now if they were just rude, that would be a different story.

At some point in all of our lives, we each will be old, troubled, disabled in some way, and in need of special treatment. I try to understand that in everyone that I meet in life, as someday I will be that person. I guess I was raised to respect others and I try to do that.

However, if you rudely try to push past me in a line I have been standing in for quite a while, you are going to have to get by myself and my 6'4" DH. And believe it or not, we have had people in the parks push by us to get in line ahead of us and practically knock him over even though they clearly see he is walking with a cane.

 

[mumzie2three]

My point was that you shouldn't expect people to be nice about you skipping ahead because you or someone in your party had to pee. If your family gets out of line you are inconveniencing only yourselves. If you need to skip ahead of 100 people, you are inconveniencing 100 people.

Potty breaks, Smoke breaks, Fastpass collection? Where do you draw the line?


Heck this is the USA, I never expect people to be nice.

I draw the line at Fastpass collection. Actually here's a suggestion for all the family groups of 3 or more people who want to have their cake and eat it too: Everyone in your group get in line, stand there for 5 mins and then one of you announce "Oh I feel sick!" or "I think I lost my wallet!", then that person runs off and gets the Fastpasses for everyone and returns to line, politely asking to be excused so they can return to their group (acting much relieved of course). Meanwhile if your group reaches the front of the line they should step aside and let all the hatemongers behind them go ahead.
I wouldn't have a problem with being lied to in that way. I like creative people.

 

[vital]

Someone being a senior citizen in no way implies they have worked hard all their lives, been productive members of society, taught their children any of those things or even that they have children. It certainly doesn't mean they have some automatic right to be first in line and get there by cutting in front of me.

Kristen

I second that! I see people everyday that think because they are older they deserve to be treated like queens/kings. Then I see those that are older that SHOULD be treated like royalty. Those are usually the POLITE ones who never say a word and don't want to be "a bother". I'm a nurse and I have to deal with a wide range of people. The one's that are war veterns and retired public workers (fireman, policemen, teachers, etc.) are usually the most thankful and humble. The one's that were born with a "silver spoon" in their mouths and were raised to think they were above everyone and think the rules don't apply to them are the one's that are RUDE and continue the cycle by teaching their kids and grandkids to act the same way. By saying all of this, I by no means imply that ALL of the above is true, just the majority of each group. I've been a nurse for 14 years and have worked in a private hospital and an inner city trauma center so I've had a lot of people experience. I'm off my soap box now.
I also am not one to let rude obnoxious people cut in line. I've taught my son that to get anywhere in life you have to have manners and be polite. I've also taught him to stand up for what is right and cutting in line is not right. The family whose child had to go to the bathroom is one thing, but a hoard of people with food or mean old ladies is another.

 

[Toulouse]

Here's something.... I wonder if the senior citizens who cut in front of everyone else cut in front of any OTHER senior citizens? Are they "better" senior citizens than everyone else over 65 or are they just RUDE senior citizens?

I know the answer to that one.....

 

[Toulouse]

I am just amazed how MORALLY SUPERIOR people get on these Boards. Unbelievable. "Cutting" in line, IMO, means getting in line in front of people when you were never in that line before, so you are actually "cutting" in front of those people. If you have been in a standby line for an hour, and your child has to go to the bathroom, and you only had 10-15 minutes left until you are on the ride, and it makes you feel better about yourself to get your whole family out of line and then, after the bathroom, go to the end of the line and wait another hour, then good for you. But people who ask those around them if they can leave for the obvious reason and then rejoin the line politely a few minutes later have not cut in front of anyone. They were IN THE LINE. The people behind them never had any expectation that they would get to ride before you and your child did. This is completely different from getting into a line with one person ahead of you, and then all of a sudden a large group joins that person, shoving you behind all of those people who you were not previously behind.

Well said -

 

[MaryKatesMom]

Someone asked what I was hoping for when I posted and, aside from venting, it was two things. Maybe Disney will notice and maybe if other's notice they won't be so willing to let people pass them in Soarin'.

When this happened in December I was a little confused by the people just walking past me like they were supposed to, maybe the CM's told them to do it? How did I know that it was just brazen line cutting? After talking to the Texan couple for a bit, and watching the teenagers I clued in. I couldn't imagine doing it myself so I wasn't aware of what was going on.

Maybe if Disney posted little signs, asking people to not pass others in line, it would make it a little more difficult to do so.

 

[pampam]

The problem, Shelly, is that a lot of people do see this as wrong. Including WDW park rules which forbids "line jumping".

Pushing past other people is line jumping regardless of your relation to other people in line. There is no such thing as "saving a place in line". The rule is simple: if you want to ride together, stay together.

I agree line jumping is wrong. However, I am interested in these WDW Park Rules. Where can I see a list of these, and how are they enforced?

 

[Marseeya]

I'm pretty black and white on line cutting.

Having grown up going to parks that tolerate NO line cutting for any reason whatsoever, I've found that I can manage to get through life just fine without cutting in front of people.

How?

It's simple. Take frequent bathroom breaks, so the urge doesn't come upon you by surprise while you're standing in line. If it does happen to come upon you in line, just get out of line to do your business and get back at the end of the line. How is it everybody else's problem that you had to use the restroom? It works the same way with kids. My kids aren't so special that they can hop in and out of line because they're bored or they have to pee. And, gee, they seem to have managed just fine with these rules without having any undue trauma placed on them. Fastpass runner? The whole family waits outside the entrance to the line and when the FP runner shows up, you all go in together.

I would love to see WDW make a good solid rule about line cutting. I imagine it wouldn't hurt their bottom line a single bit, and line cutters would find that they can survive perfectly well without having to inconvenience other people.

 

[ton80]

JUST THROW THEM A HIP CHECK AND THEN THEY WILL GET THE MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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[ihearttink]

We don't run red lights, but we might pull over to use the facilities. Can we then get back on the road where we exited or should we turn around and drive back to the beginning of our journey?

No problem, you can get back on the road where you exited after using the facilities. But, the people on the road that were behind you before you got off are now in front of you.

 

[Disneyrsh]

You know the disney website where you can create your own personalized disney t-shirts now? I'm seriously thinking about getting one that says "No Cutting!" in english, spanish, portuguese, french, and italian on the back of the shirt, maybe with an angry tinkerbell on the front...

I would add japanese, chinese, and korean, but I suspect they don't have the characters on the website...


like a reformed smoker, this reformed cutter is now going overboard

 

[Vijoge]

Originally Posted by tms295
Well... I must say I can't believe how many BAD MANNERED people there are out there!

the best is when a teenager (15-16 yo) says "I have to catch up with my mom and dad" Well maybe mom and dad should have waited for you... you are old enough to stand in line alone.

I have however let mom and kid right behind us catch up with dad and the 3 kids right in front of us.

Excuse me, but WHAT makes the 15-16 year old teenager any different? How do YOU know that they weren't in the bathroom before you entered the line? How do u know that they weren't sick somewhere?
WHY would just NOT allow a CHILD (15-16 yes is a child) to join his/her family?

This past Feb, as we waited in line for, of all things, Winnie the Pooh, a woman (in her mid to late 30's with two teens who looked to be 14 or 15) and asked would we please let the girls go ahead so they could catch up with their mother.

We said ok, and the girls moved on up the line. When we got close to the front of the line, who comes riding past? You guessed it! The two girls with no mom in sight. I'm bettin' my last fast pass the woman who was with them in the beginning was mom and she didn't want to wait for them so she made up that BS story.

It's people like that that make otherwise nice people get an attitude when someone asks to cut.