Snow day during your Vacation - Office Issue - What do you think?

7beasley

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Ok - here is the situation - I am a partner in a small office - 10 people. One of the secretaries has a husband who is *very* sick and has been *very* sick for the last 4 years. As a result - she is out of work alot - a real lot. One year we paid her for the full year (without docking her any pay) and she missed 18 weeks of work (she gets 4 weeks vacation a year). Last year, we told her we would have to stop paying her when she was out after her vacation time was used up -- her absences dropped to only about 7 weeks total (4 weeks vacation and 3 weeks unpaid).

Anyway - her husband is starting to feel better so they decided to take a 1 week vacation last week to visit her son down South (a plane ride away).

On Monday the 2nd - the first day of her vacation out of the office we had a huge Nor'Easter with over a foot of snow so the night before - my other partners and I talked and decided to close the office - we called the employees and told them that due to the snow we were probably closing the office. That morning we called everyone and told them to watch the weather and if it was safe to come in around noon or so to do that. Several of the partners came in but the other secretary (we have 2) did not.

So fast forward to today - the vacationing secretary's first day back was supposed to be yesterday but she was sick. So today is her first day back. For what its worth, she told us via email (from her vacation) that she would be out tomorrow for a 1/2 day cause husband has a doctor's appointment, and would be out all day Thursday (he is having minor surgery) and would be out 1/2 day Friday to pick him up at the hospital.

So anyway - she comes in to see me to ask if we were closed last Monday for the snow storm because she saw someone's time card that said "snow day". I told her that the office was open but we advised employees to use their discretion in coming in and I named those people that did come in. She says well secretary X didn't come in - I said that was true.

So now, even though she was out on vacation, she feels that since we had a snow day and the other secretary did not come in - it does not cost her a vacation day.

Personally, I disagree with her - I think that the issue is that you were out - you told the office you were unavailable and were going on vacation - the fact that something came up that day to alter who was in the office and/or closing early for snow (including the other secretary exercising the discretion we told her to exercise and deciding she did not want to drive in the snow and therefore did not come in) doesn't mean you get the benefit of the snow day instead of using a vacation day.

I kind of look at it like you had to be available and ready to work that day to get the benefit of the snow day. What if everyone had come in and we closed the office at 10am - does that mean she shouldn't have to take a vacation day that day because we closed early -- or should have only had to use 1 hour of vacation time instead of a whole day?

I really think that if you were on vacation - you don't get the benefit of the snow day - what do you guys think?
 
I live in the same area as you and work in HR. We also opened at noon on that particular snow day, and are having the same issues. People who were on vacation or were otherwise planning to take the day off want the day back. Our vacation and personal days are requested and approved in advance. My director and I talked it over and our policy is basically "tough." It's your bad luck if it snowed while you were on vacation. You don't get that time back.

Honestly, it sounds like you and your partners have been more than generous to this woman and she is taking advantage of you.
 
At my job, if the business is closed unexpectedly for any reason, your vacation day still counts as a vacation day. If the business had opened for part of the day, the employee would not have been available to come in. We have a lot of part-time employees, as well, and if there is a closing on their regular day off, they are not compensated for that day.

Since we request vacation electronically in advance, it automatically shows up on our electronic time cards as vacation time.
 
At my last two jobs if you were not scheduled to work then you did not get the benefit of getting the snow day.
If you were part time and that was your day off you did not get paid and if you were full time and already had that day off then you didn't get paid.

But geesh...considering everything the company has done for her I am surprised she would give you a hard time. :confused3
 

At my old job if I had vacation scheduled on a snow day, I would get the vacation day back and get paid for the snow day.

At my current job, if there is a snow day i don't get paid unless I make it a vaction day.

The way you describe it, I personally think someone at your office should get the day back if other people in their similar position were off. But in the case of the person you described it would be difficult for me to give it back just because she seems to abuse the system.
 
WOW! This lady is really milking your kindness IMO. I agree with you. If she wasn't even in the state then she needs to charge her vacation as planned (I'm not HR though lol)

I guess as a manager myself, my question would be why is she looking at another employees time sheet anyway? I have a zero tolerance with that type of thing.

This hit a nerve because I have someone in my group that is always *sick*
 
The last place I worked had a policy of if they closed the office for any weather related issue such as snow or hurricane you were generally paid as if the office was open since it wasn't your fault that the office closed unless you were already out on vacation leave then you still had to use your vacation......I think the lady is out of luck and shouldn't get her vacation day back.
 
The last place I worked had a policy of if they closed the office for any weather related issue such as snow or hurricane you were generally paid as if the office was open since it wasn't your fault that the office closed unless you were already out on vacation leave then you still had to use your vacation......I think the lady is out of luck and shouldn't get her vacation day back.


Agreed. If there is a policy in place, then go by the policy. If there is no policy, then its manger's discretion. If its the latter, I would probably give her the day, and then make sure there is written policy going forward.
 
For those who hadn't planned to take the day off as a vacation, it would be unfair to force them to take a vacation day/not get paid when the office was closed - it wasn't their choice to be out. To penalize them would be unfair as it was beyond their control.

The woman already had her vacation timed booked. Whether it snowed or not wouldn't have impacted her negatively, so why should she benefit from it?
 
I work in a small law office. If we're on vacation and the office closes for a partial day whatever reason (weather, power outage, partners close early just to be nice, etc.) then too bad we're already on vacation and don't get to take advantage of it. If the office closes for a full day and no one comes in, then we do.

In the case you've described since the other secretary didn't come and did get paid I think you need to pay the other person and not make her take a vacation day. If you start treating the same job differently you may have a problem on your hands.

Does this person go over and above when she is there and is otherwise a great employee? If so, I would definitely not make an argument over it.
 
I would think in most cases, if she were SCHEDULED to be in that day, she got a freebie. But because she wasn't, she's on her own time.
 
I work in a small law office. If we're on vacation and the office closes for a partial day whatever reason (weather, power outage, partners close early just to be nice, etc.) then too bad we're already on vacation and don't get to take advantage of it. If the office closes for a full day and no one comes in, then we do.

In the case you've described since the other secretary didn't come and did get paid I think you need to pay the other person and not make her take a vacation day. If you start treating the same job differently you may have a problem on your hands.

Does this person go over and above when she is there and is otherwise a great employee? If so, I would definitely not make an argument over it.

But they are already treating the same job differently. They paid one secretary for 18 weeks off when she should have only had 4. Now that they've realized their mistake and are trying to be fair again, the secretary is complaining. IMO, she has no right to complain. In most companies, she wouldn't even have a job anymore. And I agree with a previous poster who says she had no right to be checking other employees' time sheets.
 
Every place I have worked....if the office closes for whatever reason and you were already scheduled off that day....tough luck. You don't get your vacation day back or anything like that.

This happens every year at the holidays. Sometimes the partners will close the office early on New Years eve or something. We enter our PTO by the hour, so if you are already off for the day, you don't get back those 3 or 4 hours. In fact, I never take NYE off anymore because I don't want to waste 8 hours of PTO. I just work and hope that we get done around lunch time (which we usually do!).

We have been in WDW twice when it has snowed here at home. My husbands office closed both times for a day, but my husband was still out the vacation day.
 
Anywhere I've ever worked, if the office closed early (usually for holiday weekends) or didn't open for any reason and you were on a scheduled day off, you were out-of-luck.

If you were on vacation and could document (ie. doctor's note) that you were ill, they were willing to change the vacation days to sick time.

I, too, agree with the PP that said she had no right to be looking at anyone else's timecard, and that she's definitely taking advantage of your good will.
 
I work for a large national company. A snow day during your vacation does not exempt that day from still counting as a vacation day.

And, FWIW - our policy also states that if you call in sick the day before/after vacation or holiday, you do not get that vac/holiday paid. The exception to this would be if you scheduled that extra time off in advance (like for a dr. appt) or if you provide a dr's excuse to be out.
 
Our rules said that if the office was closed due to weather or any other unforeseeable event while an employer was on vacation that they would still be charged with a vacation day.
 
Hi

Thanks for all the great replies -- I am happy to hear that most people agree with me!! I hate these kind of situations though - someone is always upset as a result of them.

As far as her looking at the time card - its her job - she inputs the time into our billing system - so that is not out of line for her to have looked at the time card - she is in charge of those!
 



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