Single Rider Line cheaters

[hpriamson]

The first one was indeed cheating as the guys horned your DDs out of her spot. The second one was just the CM being nice. I have seen them stop people who try to walk up together like that.

No, it wasn't. The group involved ahead of us had 3 people, so she called one person from the single rider line. Why would she call two people to match up with a group of 3?
And even if they were being nice, that's still a problem. Why would anyone wait in the regular standby if they thought they could wheedle the CM into letting them ride in a group from single rider?

 

[kbelle8995]

Not cheater no. There is some shock for people who don't pay attention and don't think that Disney will actually split them up They see a short wait and rush in. Sometimes you get lucky and get placed in the same ride vehicle. I've seen Test track CMs being very strict about separating. Look if you are with someone and you don't want to ride alone don't get in the single rider line.

On occasion I've been asked to switch ride vehicles so someone can ride with a family member or friend. I usually am pretty flexible since I'm using single rider too.

 

[robinb]

No, it wasn't. The group involved ahead of us had 3 people, so she called one person from the single rider line. Why would she call two people to match up with a group of 3?
And even if they were being nice, that's still a problem. Why would anyone wait in the regular standby if they thought they could wheedle the CM into letting them ride in a group from single rider?

I thought you said she called 3 people to fill in (the single rider and then 2 others to fill a row). I've seen them pull people back when someone tries to sneak on with their friend. Maybe the CM missed her. No biggie really unless it interferes with your family like it did on RnR. I like the single rider line, warts and all.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I think what the girls were doing was they called one girl forward to fill in a seat with the third party member. Two of them walked up, got into the seating line, let the third party member go alone and then rode on the next train together. Easy to do if the CM isn't watching for it.

 

[hpriamson]

I thought you said she called 3 people to fill in (the single rider and then 2 others to fill a row). I've seen them pull people back when someone tries to sneak on with their friend. Maybe the CM missed her. No biggie really unless it interferes with your family like it did on RnR. I like the single rider line, warts and all.

No, this was on Expedition Everest - only two people per row. And we did wind up using the single rider a lot too - including RnR and EE. Fully aware that we would not be sitting together, or even on the same ride vehicle, and perfectly happy to trade that for a shorter wait time.

And not to criticize all CMs - I saw plenty of really good work from lots of them. Including the guy on BTMRR who calmly convinced a kid having a meltdown to go ahead and ride, and the poor folks working the FP+ scanners who had to explain constantly and patiently why people who didn't have fastpasses had to wait in line. And the real heartbreaker of the CM at the A&E FP+ scanner telling a dad with a crying 5 year old in an Elsa dress that sorry, there were no FPs left and they would have to wait in the 60 minute standby line.

 

[hpriamson]

I think what the girls were doing was they called one girl forward to fill in a seat with the third party member. Two of them walked up, got into the seating line, let the third party member go alone and then rode on the next train together. Easy to do if the CM isn't watching for it.

Yeah, that was basically it, but they wound up riding on the same train they were called up for. They were loading EE differently than RnR - they weren't stacking the loading groups at all. One CM was letting groups into the loading area, adding single riders to keep the group numbers even, but not giving them a row number. Another CM was walking from the front of the train towards the back, and assigning each group to a row. So the group of 3 just said they were 3, and the two girls afterwards said they were a group of 2. So the car left with an empty seat, and presumably the people who would have been in the last row wound up waiting for the next train. Probably screwing up their family photo as well.

 

[bookgirl]

The CM's from what I've encountered are normally good about enforcing the single rider line.

On test track a couple months ago my group was next in line and in the single rider line a lady was called up to fill an empty seat. She had a younger child with her and said "well I want to ride in the same car with my child", the CM told her she's in the single rider line, if she wants to ride together she'll need to get out of line and go in standby. If not they'll be separated.

I'm sure some CM's cave in as they'd rather not deal with the headache of hearing people complain about being split up, even though they should know that already..but the CM's do know about it and try to enforce it to keep it fair for standby

But on test track that can actually work. If there are two groups of two then there are two single seats available in the car (three seats across for this ride). So two singles could wait until there were two single seats available (one in each row) in one car. Techincally not breaking the single rider rule, just more annoying for the CM to remember to see if two singles come up and remember that the pair are waiting.

At Everest and RnR this is not acceptable because they are two seats across and you're rarely going to have two people in the regular line back to back that are single riders, so to speak so waiting to be in 'the same car' is not feasible time wise on those rides.

My personal thought is that single rider means you take whatever one seat is available when you get to the front of the line, but it wouldn't bother me on TT if two people waited to the side for the chance at the same car any more than a single rider who waits to the side for a front row seat.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

They will not allow guests in the single rider line to "wait" until something in their desired configuration comes up. You're supposed to go when you get to the front of the line, with whatever group you are placed with.

 

[zeekinator]

I just don't understand this. You spend a lot of time in the single rider line together, but you have to cheat because you can't separate from your party for a 3 minute ride?

 

[bookgirl]

They will not allow guests in the single rider line to "wait" until something in their desired configuration comes up. You're supposed to go when you get to the front of the line, with whatever group you are placed with.

Actually I've seen it happen on EE and RnR a lot. They usually just want to be in the first car and unless it's crazy they will let people wait and fill in with the next people in line. I never have seen the two waiting for TT happen I'm just saying it's feasible on the same principle as waiting for a back car/front car request which does happen.

I ride a lot with SR lines as I'm not only a solo traveler but when I do have companions I'm the only one willing to do the eticket rides most of the time. It happens, doesn't mean it's right but it's up to the CM to grant the request.

However I have only seen the 'but we thought we'd get to ride together' thing work a few times and every single time the CM made them stand and wait for several cycles. For a fact I know one did it punitively because there actually did open up a same car on RnR and the CM pulled two SR's up and gave them the car instead of the father and son who tried to scam the system. The father was being pouty so I don't blame the CM at all. He made them wait for maybe four cycles.

 

[KEVD]

But in both cases, it really doesn't cause a huge issue that I'm willing to get worked up over it. I read on these boards where people take on other guests they think are in violation of the rules- and as big a stickler as I am for following rules- this is something I would never, ever do. First, it puts me in a bad mood to get snippy with a stranger and secondly- I'm getting snippy with a stranger completely unaware of how they may or may not react.

People who are so desperate to ride a ride that they'll cheat to do it aren't worth it.

Good point Cakebaker. In a prior post on this thread I was feeling all "high and mighty" and saying I'd report any line cheaters and stuff. But the more I think about it, if their actions didn't affect me or cause some sort of noticeable disruption I'd probably just let it go. It's not worth it. In the OP's case it sounds like they were definitely justified in their dismay with what occurred.

 

[Jeannie in NJ]

How does single rider work with Soarin, I assume single riders are placed at the end of rows? Also can you ask to wait for the top row when you are a single rider? Next trip, I may have to do Soarin by myself.

 

[zeekinator]

How does single rider work with Soarin, I assume single riders are placed at the end of rows? Also can you ask to wait for the top row when you are a single rider? Next trip, I may have to do Soarin by myself.

I didn't think Soarin' had single rider?

 

[goofy4tink]

How does single rider work with Soarin, I assume single riders are placed at the end of rows? Also can you ask to wait for the top row when you are a single rider? Next trip, I may have to do Soarin by myself.

No single rider line at Soarin'.

 

[Jeannie in NJ]

no single rider line at Soarin? What a bummer, since I am sure no one in my family will go on it with me.

 

[BrianL]

There is a single rider at Soarin' in DCA, but it does not work very well and you may end up waiting longer than stand-by. Of course, Sorain' in DCA does not command the long lines that the Epcot one does.

 

[bumbershoot]

What we should learn from this is to pay attention to our own lines. If we are set to go with our group and someone changes around us we need to be on the ball and change with someone else so we're still in the same group.

We've watched people in the normal lines confuse issues easily enough, moving around and messing up those around them. Watched it for quite awhile in DCA's Radiator Springs, as we were in the SR line there. People bouncing all over the place after being placed by the CM.

 

[BrianL]

I'll tell you what, too, Grouper seems like one of the toughest CM jobs there is! You have to keep count of everybody and people don't listen anyway. They have to be nice, even when confronted with belligerency or stupidity. I am always impressed by how well they can do it.

 

[alvernon90]

If someone takes the time to come on the boards and complain about something then obviously it impacted their experience. The op even explained how it did have an impact but had he not, it still would have been obvious that it did , otherwise he wouldn't be wasting his time complaining....pretty easy to figure out.

One of my favorite things about the line jumping threads is the small minority of posters who freak out at the thought of people objecting to line jumping. "What's the big deal?" they always say, though never answering the question of why people jump the lines if waiting a little longer is no big deal. The more upset the poster, the more obvious it is that the poster is covering feelings of guilt and shame about their own line jumping habits -- they don't want to be called out, even indirectly.

You have quoted a perfect example of the mindset. If not for the mods, I expect it wouldn't have been much longer before we get the "if you complain to CMs about me line jumping I will assault you" phase of the debate.

 

[Asc341]

We saw an example of this at Test Track last Saturday, but the CM kept a watchful eye and stopped it from happening. The party ended up leaving the line without riding at all...