Significant Increase in Annual Dues Proposed

[The Jackal]

Some of those cars are 30 years old. Most of the rolling stock is from 1989. That is about the life expectancy of those units.

I understand and agree with you about the age and condition. They should have been replaced a few years ago. The fact they let their most iconic mode of transportation get to this condition is poor management. Especially since it is the primary transportation for the most Deluxe resorts WDW has for 2 parks.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

It should not fall off from being run into by a electric scooter.

My understanding is that it was damaged by the ECV ramming it - possibly operating the scooter with a child on their lap. Then, during the repair it might have gotten away from the maintenance person.

 

[crisi]

I understand and agree with you about the age and condition. They should have been replaced a few years ago. The fact they let their most iconic mode of transportation get to this condition is poor management. Especially since it is the primary transportation for the most Deluxe resorts WDW has for 2 parks.

I have my doubts they are interested in the monorails long term. They are really expensive. When the concrete goes on those supports its going to be REALLY expensive and take a ton of down time I love the monorails, but there really hasn't been any investment in them in years - and other modes of transportation are more cost effective for them.

 

[Mumof4mice]

My understanding is that it was damaged by the ECV ramming it - possibly operating the scooter with a child on their lap. Then, during the repair it might have gotten away from the maintenance person.

I hate ECVs. I think they should be allowed at the Parks (or anywhere for that matter) only if there is a real medical reason. A permit system like what's in place for disable parking would be great. Bicycles aren't supposed to be ridden on pedestrian footpaths lest they strike pedestrians, why should motorised scooters weighing 400lb, carrying 200+lb people, be any different?

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I understand and agree with you about the age and condition. They should have been replaced a few years ago. The fact they let their most iconic mode of transportation get to this condition is poor management. Especially since it is the primary transportation for the most Deluxe resorts WDW has for 2 parks.

Fundamentally, every Mark IV is bespoke. Costs $3.5-4M per train. There's not just a production line cranking them. This is a non-zero part of why the gondola system is using all stock equipment from the catalog of an established, long-term and stable supplier.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Fundamentally, every Mark IV is bespoke. Costs $3.5-4M per train. There's not just a production line cranking them. This is a non-zero part of why the gondola system is using all stock equipment from the catalog of an established, long-term and stable supplier.

I won't argue against WDW management being cheap though.

DL replaced their monorails several years ago.

 

[Pluto777]

The parking revenue and ticket revenue has nothing to do with DVC.

parking definitely does, and as far as ticket revenue, food revenues, new shows etc which are ALL enhancing Disney's revenues Disney can't have it BOTH ways. Isn't a jump of 3-3.5% a year in MF's to nearly 10% across the board a HUGE jump of appx 7% and therefore necessarily need to be justified beyond simply we are passing along the FUTURE costs? (of their decision to pay CM's more in the future not currently). Why is it the CM's will see their increases in the future, but members will see our MF's jump up immediately from an avg 3-3.5% to a whopping 10%??

I don't see why members are to be held accountable for increases in CM wages, but if we are are we somehow supposed be involved in CM contract negotiations?? That's certainly not a job I want! If members are going to be held responsible for an increase in CM wages in all aspects of the Parks etc, then should we not ALSO reap the benefits of enhanced revenues in all aspects across the parks? I hope many of you plan to show up at the meeting this December with some TOUGH questions!

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Every division is held to P&L goals. Just because tickets go up doesn't mean DVC isn't going to be held to an aggressive goal as well.

Big, multi division companies do this all the time.

 

[Tarheel girl 1975]

Disappointing to see 10% increases but I support that staff should get paid higher wages for all that they do. I can afford the extra $100 or so bucks - still saving a lot off rack rate to pay a fair wage.



That is only issue I had with dues increase - that CCV didn't see same increase....suspicious

Or it could be because dues at CCV were already high. Now they are almost on par with Boulder Ridge.

 

[Jerry5788]

Or it could be because dues at CCV were already high. Now they are almost on par with Boulder Ridge.

Correct but if wages increase $11 to $13 it increases there as well...they weren’t paying them $13 already

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Correct but if wages increase $11 to $13 it increases there as well...they weren’t paying them $13 already

But CCV got rebate this year. So there is padding.

 

[Bing Showei]

But CCV got rebate this year. So there is padding.

But that padding is based upon tax-assessed value. That can't be used to offset labor costs. Unless you're suggesting Disney is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[SherylLC]

When will Disney formalize the increase? With such drastic increases at holiday time, I'd like to know sooner rather than later...

 

[Jerry5788]

When will Disney formalize the increase? With such drastic increases at holiday time, I'd like to know sooner rather than later...

I mean I was under impression it is certain - as they vote to approve there own budgets

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

But that padding is based upon tax-assessed value. That can't be used to offset labor costs. Unless you're suggesting Disney is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I saw somebody else just mentioned that CCV also isn't seeing an increase in housekeeping costs. How that could be with the wage increase raises a question. I can't see CCV's budget to verify though.

 

[erionm]

When will Disney formalize the increase? With such drastic increases at holiday time, I'd like to know sooner rather than later...

The annual condo meeting will be held on 12/13. The board of directors will vote then to approve the dues. Since the board is hand picked, approval is certain.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

When will Disney formalize the increase? With such drastic increases at holiday time, I'd like to know sooner rather than later...

It's as much of a done deal as anything. Just take these numbers as being final. The actual approval will be at the Dec 13th meeting but it's pretty much just a formality. Bills won't be sent out until after that date.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

But that padding is based upon tax-assessed value. That can't be used to offset labor costs. Unless you're suggesting Disney is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I have not seen the budget. I am working under an assumption that some of the percentage numbers are based on total, and the compkent pieces have moved around. So the net is x%, compared to 2018, but real dues are up more and tax is down.

 

[sky2823]

Is there any chance (not sure they could do it legally) that CCV had a reallocation of expenses and common property where more of the expense pie was permanently moved to the lodge (Disney portion) as well as a little to BRV?

 

[cep101]

I think the dues are going up crazy high for just one increase! It makes me not want to add on anymore. We own at SSR, and I cannot believe the HUGE increase when compared to the entire history of increases at SSR.

Also, in January they are increasing the point cost when buying direct from Disney. Both of these things will definitely effect people making purchases.