Should the big3 get a bailout??

should the big 3 get a bailout?

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Hell NO.

As someone who sat for hours in gas lines back in 1973, I know that the US auto industry has learned zilch, nothing, nada. They've had 35 years to change their evil ways and haven't.

The people who purchased those huge gas guzzling behemoths are equally to blame for the gas crisis that exists today.

I could never quite figure out why a person who has 1 or 2 kids needs a freaking big-a$$ SUV like a Hummer or Expedition to drive their little ones around town. Especially when half of them can't drive to save their life.

The one thing I agree with you on is your point that the people that purchase the gas guzzlers are also to blame. It amazes me how everyone blames the car companies but they wouldn't make those big vehicles if people would stop buying them.

I have mentioned this a dozen times over the past few weeks and it bears repeating. Ford had to hire back 1000 of their truck plant workers the second gas prices dropped below $3 a gallon because the demand for their trucks shot back up again. Americans have short term memory loss and they say one thing and do the complete opposite. While everyone on The Dis might claim to own a small, fuel efficient vehicle, the numbers don't lie. Those gas guzzlers are their best selling, most profitable vehicles in America.
 
Consumers buying the trucks the big three make caused them to fail? Could you explain the relationship you see here, I am curious.
 
Hell NO.

As someone who sat for hours in gas lines back in 1973, I know that the US auto industry has learned zilch, nothing, nada. They've had 35 years to change their evil ways and haven't.

The people who purchased those huge gas guzzling behemoths are equally to blame for the gas crisis that exists today.

I could never quite figure out why a person who has 1 or 2 kids needs a freaking big-a$$ SUV like a Hummer or Expedition to drive their little ones around town. Especially when half of them can't drive to save their life.

You don't think cars are significantly different (better mpgs, quality, safer ) than 35 years ago? Apparently you've never driven a Japanese import from that time period. Junk.
 
I could never quite figure out why a person who has 1 or 2 kids needs a freaking big-a$$ SUV like a Hummer or Expedition to drive their little ones around town. Especially when half of them can't drive to save their life.

I'd never go Expedition large (unless I have no other choice - right now Chrysler is the only American company still making a minivan and I would buy an SUV before I bought a foreign minivan), but I totally get why a family of 4 might want a 7-seater vehicle. With kids required to be in carseats/boosters up until age 8, many 5-seater cars or small SUVs aren't practical for taking even one friend along because 3 carseats just don't fit safely. With both our older kids in sports and scouts, we needed the 3rd row of our minivan long before baby #3 came along.

The ones I really don't get are 5 seater SUVs, especially the bigger, less efficient ones (like most Hummers, the Explorer, etc). I just don't see the advantage over a car for most people - there's no additional seating capacity and you've got the added work & worry of not having a separate trunk. Yeah it is great for those occasions when you've got to move something large, but does that really justify the gas it burns for everyday driving?
 

.go to any Honda dealership and their slaesmen are balls to the walls while the Big 3 dealerships are closing down left and right
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Gas has been at or around $2.00 or more a gallon for a while now...why did the foriegn car makers see the writing on the wall????



Japan exports plunge record amount on weak demand


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081222/D957HITO0.html


TOKYO (AP) - Japanese exports plunged a record 26.7 percent in November, the Ministry of Finance said Monday, highlighting the drop in global consumer demand for automobiles, electronics parts and other Japanese products.

Economists warned that exports - a mainstay of the world's second-largest economy - would tumble further with no recovery in sight for the global economy. Even exports to the rest of Asia are falling sharply.

"Demand is rapidly cooling not only in the United States and Europe but also in Russia and the Middle East, and we are expecting a further plunge in exports as the global economy is deteriorating," said Hideki Matsumura, a senior economist at the Japan Research Institute in Tokyo.

Battered by falling sales and a strengthening yen, major exporters like Toyota Motor Corp. (TM) and Sony Corp. (SNE) have already announced job cuts and lower profit projections.

Exports suffered their biggest year-on-year drop since the current system of statistics went into effect in 1980. Exports totaled 5.3 trillion yen ($60 billion) while imports fell 14.4 percent from a year earlier to 5.55 trillion yen ($62 billion), the ministry said.

That resulted in a trade deficit of 223.4 billion yen ($2.5 billion) - the fourth time this year Japan said its imports exceeded exports after January, August and October.

For years, Japan was blasted by its trading partners over its trade surpluses. But now, the global economic slump is turning Japan into a net importer, at least in recent months.

"The plunge in exports in November clearly reflected a severe global downturn. Demand for Japanese goods, especially cars and electronics products, is falling sharply everywhere," said ministry official Yu Oki.

Exports to the United States, the world's largest economy, plummeted by a record 33.8 percent in November, marking the 15th consecutive year-on-year fall.

Among U.S.-bound shipments, vehicle exports plummeted by 44 percent in the month, while exports of auto parts fell 40 percent and those of audio equipment was down by 48.2 percent.

Japan's exports to the European Union tumbled by 30.8 percent, with vehicle shipments to the region falling by 37.2 percent, the ministry said
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Asia-bound exports fell 26.7 percent as semiconductor shipments dropped by 30.2 percent. Japan's exports to China alone plunged by 24.5 percent.

Exports are also shrinking as the yen appreciates against most major currencies. That means overseas sales in dollars and euros translates into fewer yen.

The ministry said the yen traded to 97.97 to the dollar on average in November, up 16 percent from the same month last year.

The yen continued to climb against the dollar in December, hitting a 13-year high as investors dumped the greenback on U.S. economic worries. The Japanese currency was quoted at 90.02 to the dollar in Tokyo Monday afternoon
 
I'd never go Expedition large (unless I have no other choice - right now Chrysler is the only American company still making a minivan and I would buy an SUV before I bought a foreign minivan), but I totally get why a family of 4 might want a 7-seater vehicle. With kids required to be in carseats/boosters up until age 8, many 5-seater cars or small SUVs aren't practical for taking even one friend along because 3 carseats just don't fit safely. With both our older kids in sports and scouts, we needed the 3rd row of our minivan long before baby #3 came along.

The ones I really don't get are 5 seater SUVs, especially the bigger, less efficient ones (like most Hummers, the Explorer, etc). I just don't see the advantage over a car for most people - there's no additional seating capacity and you've got the added work & worry of not having a separate trunk. Yeah it is great for those occasions when you've got to move something large, but does that really justify the gas it burns for everyday driving?

Can't speak for everyone but we have our 5 seater Chevy Tahoe because I have 2 dogs that also need carting around. Couldn't drive around 2 kids, myself and 2 large dogs in a car.

I love my gas guzzling Chevy Tahoe and plan to buy another in the next couple years, but the next one will have a 3rd row seat.
 
Can't speak for everyone but we have our 5 seater Chevy Tahoe because I have 2 dogs that also need carting around. Couldn't drive around 2 kids, myself and 2 large dogs in a car.

I love my gas guzzling Chevy Tahoe and plan to buy another in the next couple years, but the next one will have a 3rd row seat.


We also drive a SUV and not because we have children but because we had 3 large dogs that we had to haul around. Our Navigator had the 3rd row seat and it was a very much needed, especially when we were traveling to Maryland.
 


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