Should Disney make an effort to stop "saving"?

[Markstudy]

It seems that there are often promblems with "saving places" for someone.

It is up to us?

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If three family members try to cut in-line in front of me, by telling me their mom is up front..... I give them a choice

1) your mother can move backwards in line to you, but you are not going in front of me, since I have been waiting my turn.

2) you will see your mom again at the end of the ride. Next time...arive together if you want to ride together.

It takes all of us to put our foot down about this "saving" stuff. The rude will always test the meek.
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Disney Post some signs/rules! "No Saving line spots" Make it clear.

Can you save a seat at a show? YES
Can one person save a block of seat for a parade? NO
Can you save a place in line for your cheerleading team? NO
Can you save a place for the team at the bus stop? NO
Can you save a table for 20 minutes (while your DH is way in the back of a long line) while people with food walk around looking for a seat? NO

Is Disney too nice? Rewarding the bad behavior?
Do nice people allow this to go on simply by not speaking up?

Some times I feel like Clint Eastwood...I just look at them with my "GO AHEAD PUNK, MAKE MY DAY" look, and most of the savers back-down before I can say anything

But I still need the crowd to back me up...when I stand up to the "rude"

 

[Tink215]

I just got back from a 6 day 5 nite stay, had a good time excpet for that, the rudeness level in WDW has taken an all new high, I had this happen to me at least 5 times, "Oh My mom is up there and in come about 7 people" I was so fustrated, My poor kid couldnt even see the parade cause some one shoved her to the floor saying oh we were saving this space,Blah,Blah,Blah!!! I agree with you 100%!!!! And thank you for posting it I thought I was going crazy for a second there......

 

[DVCconvert]

Is Disney too nice?

yes. They are universally reviled for this.

 

[sleepyone]

Does WDW have an official "cutting" in line policy? Will "cutters" be kicked out of the park?

 

[allisonswonderland]

I agree that something should be done. I was there w/ my fiance and my brother and his girlfriend in Aug and that kept happening. My brother and I used to just stand shoulder to shoulder so they could not get thru when we were younger...they still squeeze around. I could maybe understand if it was one kid, but several NO WAY!

 

[dixipixi]

I have to say we did see several CM's "putting their foot down" when it came to savers and line jumpers last June.

Once at Test Track. It was just a group of teens trying to crawl through the barriers along the line. Some people in the line wouldn't let them through and they kinda caused a commotion that got the CM's attention. The CM had the group escorted from the building.

Another time at Splash Mtn. there was a group of about 5-6 young people try to break line right in front of us as you enter the building. There was one member of the party ahead of us "saving" a spot for them. DH told them he was sorry, but they could stand in line like everyone else. The two guys ahead of us took our side and wouldn't let them by either. Thankfully, there was a CM right inside the building who showed them where the end of the line was and that was where they would have to go. Everyone in line clapped for him and the waiting member of their party came back out the line and used some pretty choice four letter words for everyone along the line, but everybody just laughed at her, which just made her even madder.

It's not so bad if it is one parent with young children. The child may have needed to use the restroom. But I don't like large groups of people who are just as capable as we are of standing in line trying to cut in front of me.

 

[sara74]

It's not so bad if it is one parent with young children. The child may have needed to use the restroom.

Amen to that! We are headed there in 112 days (who's counting?) and potty breaks will factor highly into our trip. However, I think I will be more inclined to take DD to the potty BEFORE getting into line as I would be afraid we wouldn't make it to a bathroom in time if we had to leave a line, find a potty and actually get into it. She, like many in her age group, has a tendency not to want to stop and go potty if she is having a good time. I see this being an issue while we are at WDW!

I can't see sending DH into line with DS while I take DD to the potty. That doesn't seem fair to everyone else in line when we would come back to join them. Hopefully other people would do the same?

 

[OrlandoMike]

Make it "Family potty time"

Everyone goes to the potty, she will get the hang of it, and since your stopping your touring for the day anyway, you might as well all go, at least to wash your hands.

 

[KIANGA]

My Motto Since I Have Gotten Older Is "NPAB" Never Pass A Bathroom

 

[Daxx]

How can I say this w/o coming across as a meanie, insensitive or disrespectful to those in wheelchairs!?!? B/c I don't mean any disrespect as I have a few handicapped family members.

I don't mind that handicapped people get fast access to the rides ... but what frosts me is the "entourage" of 25 people who all escort the person in the wheelchair to the handicapped waiting area. These "entourages" really frost my cookies. I can understand wanting to share a ride w/the wheelchair person and understand that b/c someone in a wheelchair, they're prohibited from most of the main entrances and I totally respect that. But why can't the wheelchair person be escorted w/one person while the others wait in line? When the group gets to the front of the line, then the wheelchair person and single escort join the rest of them. Now, remember ... I am talking about the large groups of people!!! I have seen groups of 15 or more people doing this in the parks and I'm sure others have, too.

When we were in WDW in July, Daxx, DS9 and I hooked up w/my aunt and cousin. My aunt has MS, cannot walk very well and uses a wheelchair b/c of the walking situation. The CM's would always allow her immediate access to the rides ... my cousin would take her through the handicapped way and Daxx, DS9 and I got in the regular line. My cousin requested that she and aunt wait until we got to the front of the line b/c we didn't feel it was fair to everyone else that our group (as small as it was) go ahead of everyone else. I am sure nobody noticed ... but maybe someone did and was appreciative! While our group was small, I still felt it wasn't fair to the others waiting in line. Even my aunt agreed that she could patiently wait b/c she was comfortable in her wheelchair and didn't have to stand.

I can see allowing some people to go up w/a handicapped person (ie: immediate family like parents or spouse & children) ... but why they let these enormous groups (aunts, uncles, cousins, heaven knows who, etc) through is beyond me. And, it certainly frosts me when I hear that people who don't even require a wheelchair rent one to gain quick access!

 

[Daxx]

I can't see sending DH into line with DS while I take DD to the potty. That doesn't seem fair to everyone else in line when we would come back to join them. Hopefully other people would do the same?

Amen! If DS decides he has to go to the bathroom while we're in line, we all "sacrifice" the spot and all go to the bathroom. I really don't mind if someone has to find their spouse b/c they had to take a little one to the bathroom ... but I do mind it when there are large parties that are trying to get to the one person who is in line. I think I am more "forgiving" w/little kids (who often realize that they have to go at the worst possible times and aren't as capable of recognizing those signs) than I am w/teenagers who should "know better" about their bodily functions.

Another thing that frosts me is when a group "charges the line" to find the designated "spot holder" while bragging about how they just got off of Splash Mountain and ran right over to hook up w/the spot holder at BTMRR. Uh ... how nice/convenient for you!

 

[Chuck S]

Can you save a table for 20 minutes (while your DH is way in the back of a long line) while people with food walk around looking for a seat? NO

Umm, sorry, I'd much rather have a Mom and kids wait at a table while Dad gets food, rather than try step around them while I'm carrying my tray, or have them all crowded around the order/pick up stations. I also park my Mom in her wheelcair at a table while I go get food, it would be next to impossible otherwise to handle food AND push her at the same time. Not every table is w/c accessible, if I see one, I take it.

 

[Daxx]

Can you save a table for 20 minutes (while your DH is way in the back of a long line) while people with food walk around looking for a seat? NO

Have to agree w/Chuck on this one. It's not as bad as 2 teenagers who take up one of the tables for 6 so they can spread their stuff out on it ... esp. when there's a big party looking for a place to sit and loads of 2-seaters available!

 

[EAP'sDAD]

I have always used the rule of if its a parent with a child trying to get to the rest of the family I let them go. If there is no parent I feel that if you are old enough to be by yourself your old enough to wait in line for the ride by your self. I know that with my DS (5) is not going to stand in a line for 45 minutes. So I will walk around the ride area until my DW gets a little closer to the front and then I will hand my Ds to my DW and wait at the exit.

The people who drive me crazy or the rude people who walk in front of you when you are waiting for a show or parade. we always get our spot early, we use it as a break and get a snack and relax. Then you see that family who waited to the last minute and push their way in front of you. Last year we were at the MGM parade sitting on the sidewalk by where the parade ends. Just as we see the parade coning a women with her three kids tries to put her kids in front of us on the street. i politely told her we were here and please move down the street. well she turns to her son and says just walk in front of them. I give her a look and said not to bother. I then offer to allow her small son to take my spot and I would put my DS on my lap, (Disney is for the kids anyways) the kid sits and she says not a word of thanks. My Dw couldn't beleive how rude this lady was but I would not let it ruin the rest of my day.

 

[Good Ol Gal]

Can you save a table for 20 minutes (while your DH is way in the back of a long line) while people with food walk around looking for a seat? NO

Well we are guilty of this. We can spend up to 15 minutes just looking for a table and when I finally see an empty one I'm grabbing it and plopping my four kiddos down with dad so I can get in line to order.

There is no way I'm waiting in line and then stand around for 15 minutes looking for a table with my arms filled with food and hungry kids.

 

[Meezers]

(Disney is for the kids anyways)

The only thing in the whole thread I disagree with. Didn't Walt himself say it's for children of all ages?

 

[skent10]

Can you save a table for 20 minutes (while your DH is way in the back of a long line) while people with food walk around looking for a seat? NO

Gotta disagree with this one too. If the tables are crowded, I make sure we have a table before one of us gets in line for the food. If we can't find a table first, we don't eat there. With four young kids, it'd be straight out of Dante's Inferno wandering around with three trays of food while trying to find a table big enough to accommodate the entire family.

Otherwise, I agree with all the other line cutting and spot saving violations.

 

[Markstudy]

So folks are grabing tables .... (that seems to be another issue, not so bad and maybe the right way to go). And some people leave the line for a potty break for the little-ones. I can understand these things of-course.

I didn't start this thread to be right, or for all of us to agree. I started this to talk about the entire topic of "saving"

I was in hope of getting people to talk about it, so we could all be better at stamping-out the line cheaters. I feel some familys and groups of teens are acting like con artist (even parents using their kids to cheat the lines) and the more the public is aware of it.... the better we can all stand-up to the bad ones. And not be caught off-guard or feel afraid to say something.

Maybe even, someone from Disney reads this stuff and will offer to help

 

[Daxx]

I was in hope of getting people to talk about it so we could all be better at stamping-out the line cheaters. I feel some familys and groups of teens are acting like con artist (even parents using their kids to cheat the lines) and the more the public is aware of it.... the better we can all stand up to the bad ones. And not be caught off-guard.

Yeah, but unfortunately, this is never going to change. Our society has become so greedy, selfish and self-serving that there's always going to be someone who feels it's their right to cheat the system, cut the lines, save the spots, etc. Unless Disney has some way of controlling those who cheat the lines (and, what CM is going to tell a family that 'too bad if Johnny had to go to the bathroom and you're trying to play catch-up now get out of line'?) or save the spots, it's going to continue to happen. A CM can tell people that there's no line cheating, table saving or parade spot saving ... but when it boils down to it, people will do it anyway.

And, while I might make my "asides", I'm sure not going to get kicked out of WDW for starting something w/a line cheater or spot saver.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I have had it with the "We need to join the rest of our party" excuse for cutting in line! If the group is determined to ride together, let the ones in the front move back.

No more Mrs. Nice guy! Next time I'm in line and someone pulls that I'm just not going to let them through.

Handing a two year old to a Mom who waited an hour for Dumbo is another story.