Should disney buy out Cedar Fair Inc.??

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What are your thoughts of disney buying out Cedar Fair??


Should Disney Buy Cedar Fair?

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2007/07/11/should-disney-buy-cedar-fair.aspx

Rick Aristotle Munarriz
July 11, 2007


If there's a suitor to be found for Cedar Fair (NYSE: FUN), it's likely to come in the form of a private-equity firm. They're the ones with the deep patience and deeper pockets to finance a $3.5 billion to $4 billion reclamation project.

No, Cedar Fair isn't even officially on the market, but the company's silence after Monday's New York Post story speaks volumes. If it isn't quietly shopping itself or jumping to squash the published reports, it may just have to deal with gentlemen callers lining up outside its Lake Erie porch.

I'll tell you who I would love to see come out on top. You're going to think I'm nuttier than carny-cranked peanut brittle, but I believe that Disney (NYSE: DIS) would be the ideal buyer. I'll give you my reasons, but first let me go over why Cedar Fair's current valuation is likely to scare away many of those suitors who are fumbling for breath mints outside.

What your units are worth
We don't know who -- if anyone -- will step up to make Cedar Fair an offer it can't refuse. It's not likely to be for much more than today's going price. Let history and EBITDA be your guides in tempering that enthusiasm.

Cedar Fair has nearly $1.9 billion in debt. It commands a market cap of $1.6 billion. The company is projecting $320 million to $340 million in EBITDA. So wolfing down the regional amusement park operator at today's prices -- a $3.5 billion outlay of capital -- would imply a purchase at 10.3 to 10.9 times EBITDA.

That's certainly not an investment for those who get queasy, as Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster coaster peaks at 420 feet up in the sky. We can see how some of the more recent deals have been priced for more perspective.

Cedar Fair paid 9.1 times EBITDA for the Paramount Parks chain last year.
Six Flags sold a few of its smaller parks in a $312 million transaction earlier this year that valued the properties at 10.4 times last year's EBITDA.
Cedar Fair seems to be priced in that ballpark, right? No, not exactly. The parks that have been sold have been working on depressed operating margins. Cedar Fair runs a much tighter ship, making it harder for new owners to squeeze more out of the incoming greenery.

We're also talking about a company that would dread going out without much of a premium. With the units trading near the $30 mark, a buyout at $35 would translate into a buyout as rich as 11.9 times the low end of this year's EBITDA target. Let's not even get started on the 12.7 EBITDA multiple that a $40 takeout would require. It just ain't gonna happen, my friend.

Private equity isn't that fond of heights. Firms like attractive prices on companies they feel will fetch more down the road. Tack on the somewhat incredulous claim in the Post's story -- that Cedar Fair's top brass is requesting to keep running the company -- and it's easy to imagine most offers coming in for less than the current price.

Pay $3.5 billion only to be told what to do by a company that has been stagnant in recent years after its ill-advised shopping spree? It just isn't going to happen.

It's at this point where Cedar Fair's best hope may be for someone to cue up the "Mickey Mouse" March song.

M-I-Cedar Fair
Disney doesn't do regional amusement parks. It favors gargantuan year-round destinations. Cedar Fair and Paramount Parks combine for 12 amusement parks and a half-dozen waterparks that draw nearly 25 million guests annually. In Florida alone, Disney's four gated attractions were visited by 45 million visitors last year.

Why would Disney play small ball, especially if geographical expansion into smaller markets can dilute its brand and dry up demand for its existing tourist-hungry magnets?

It's an important question, one to which I have several answers.

Disney's got its eye on playing small ball already. Back in February, Disney hosted an investor conference in Florida where it presented concept art of outreach attractions in new markets. From urban entertainment centers to themed resorts to indoor waterparks, Disney is thinking about expansion on a smaller scale. Cedar Fair would give it established canvases to work its magic on several dispersed markets.
Music-driven entertainment is back at Disney. High School Musical is hot. Hannah Montana has the top-selling CD in the country this past week. Cedar Fair's properties would serve as great promotional platforms and pave obvious trails for limited summer tours.
Cedar Fair is pretty dry on character-powered intellectual capital, so it has to pay to license characters like the Peanuts gang or the stars of Viacom's (NYSE: VIA) Nickelodeon. Disney's deep bench would shave licensing costs and boost merchandising margins in a way that no private equity firm could improve upon. It's not all Mickey and Winnie the Pooh, here. Muppets, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Nightmare Before Christmas are Disney franchises that appeal to older audiences, too.
One of Cedar Fair's best moves was building resorts on the Cedar Point peninsula. It's a model that Disney has perfected, and Disney has the financial fortitude to expand Cedar Fair's other parks into resort properties.
Cedar Fair's Castaway Bay lodge with an indoor waterpark is a proven vehicle if Disney wants to take on Great Wolf Resorts (Nasdaq: WOLF) in that niche.
Giving regional amusement parks a more family friendly spin is something that Six Flags (NYSE: SIX) is presently doing. If Six Flags is too successful, it may attract families that would have been headed for one of Disney's parks. Taking a similar approach within Cedar Fair may force Six Flags to try a different tact to stand out.
Disney will still be able to resell any of the properties that don't fit into its master plan. If Knott's Berry Farm is too close for Disneyland comfort, it should be an easy park to sell. Paramount's Canadian park supposedly was a hotly contested property when Cedar Fair swallowed the chain whole. In short, Disney can always cash out of specific properties, or even the entire waterpark chain, if it wanted to.
Cedar Fair has been a technological laggard, whereas Disney is on the forefront of digital in-park photography, line reservation systems, and creating interactive websites. The upgrades would be lucrative and easy to implement.
Will Disney bite? It's awfully tempting, yet unlikely to happen. However, Cedar Fair's rich valuation is going to make it a hard sell outside of a company like Disney that would have a clear path to improving margins and drumming up more revenue.

If the breezy porch is empty of penny-pinching private equity firms, there's no harm in getting hit on by a mouse.
 
I think that buying these parks would over-extend Disney and water down the Disney image very, very quickly (yes, I know many on these boards already think it has been watered down but this would just hasten it).

These parks are not what one would consider "Disney" quality and it would take not only a lot of cash to purchase the parks but the rehabs and upkeep would be enormous to even bring them up to Disney par.

Finally, many of them are seasonal parks and Disney has shown a propensity to having parks open just part of the year. Those parks become so sensitive to weather that too hot, too cold, too rainy, too windy, etc. can cause huge fluctuations on attendance.

I just don't see it happening and, personally, hope that it doesn't happen.
 
Should Disney buy? Of course not.
Cedar Fair can probably manage these parks as well as anybody. Regional parks are a different ball game than what Disney does.

-- Cedar Point is only open 140 days a year, and most of the other parks they own have similarly restricted calendars.
-- Cedar Point and other regional parks are all about thrill rides. If you don't like thrill rides, there probably isn't enough other stuff to make it worthwhile for you.
-- Cedar Point was not designed, as all Disney parks were. It was built one attraction at a time over the years. This makes it difficult to do serious theming (although there is some).
-- Disney would have a harder time working with the college/high school staff than they do with people who intentionally apply to work for Disney.
 
Take a look at their website, www.cedarfair.com. They actually own many more parks than just Cedar Point, they have parks across the country. They seem to be a pretty big player.
 
I also dont think this would be a good movie for disney to buy this company.

I do think disney could pick out one or two parks from the group owned by Cedar Fair that are away from there CA/FLA areaa's and re-make them in to disney parks and add enough in-door dark rides/coasters and other disney entertainment and make the parks be year-round destinations that wouldnt hurt WDW/DL. and still be up to disney standards.
 
Certainly NOT a good idea but I'll bet they seriously consider it and if the outlook is right...Bingo! Iger definately becomes worse than Eisner.:eek:
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Being from ohio and having worked for both companies i can tell you that cedar fair is a much better co. maybe not as rich but definitley way smarter.
 
Being from ohio and having worked for both companies i can tell you that cedar fair is a much better co. maybe not as rich but definitley way smarter.

I don't know, they pretty much ruined Knott's Berry Farm.
 
I don't know, they pretty much ruined Knott's Berry Farm.

Wally World???? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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Sorry Folks...park is ruined...the Moose out front should have told you
 
Yea they ruined it with what was two years ago the world best haunted amusment park.

Haunted is right, since most of Knott's attractions are GONE!

The entire Roaring 20s area is gone, along with many classic Knott's rides and attractions. Nothin' but a cheesy coaster park, now.
 
Wally World was Magic Mountain, but you get points for any Vacation reference.

Darn...all these years people told me it was Knott's Berry Farm used as the "Wally World" in Vacation....I have never been to California and I guess it just sank in and I never really checked. Now that I know...Marty Moose is glad they ruined the park.

In any case Disney ain't buying Cedar Fair.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens w/ whom ever buys it

i think it would be stupid to buy all of Cedar Fair--but I do have some advice for the Disney execs: pick and choose. For instance, in our area of the country (Minneapolis) we have two Cedar Fair parks: Valleyfair and The park at Mall of America. I think that it would be stupid to purchase Valleyfair--It's a dump. Sub-Par coasters, no real theming, poorly trained staff, you name it.

The other park, the park at Mall of America, would be a great move for disney. It's the largest indoor theme park in America, and it is just the type of property that could be a big winner. Open year round, The Mall of America has more visitors each year than ANY Disney theme park. It's the number one tourist destination in the country. The theme park space there is in fairly good shape, and would benefit greatly from a little Disney boost.--PLUS, the infrastructure is in place! No need to build from the ground up.

I have always said that it would make a great little Disney "park away from the parks".
 
Are you saying take all the good parks or pick up a few here and let somelone else get a few and maybe let cedar fair keep some to try and pull something together.
 
i think it would be stupid to buy all of Cedar Fair--but I do have some advice for the Disney execs: pick and choose. For instance, in our area of the country (Minneapolis) we have two Cedar Fair parks: Valleyfair and The park at Mall of America. I think that it would be stupid to purchase Valleyfair--It's a dump. Sub-Par coasters, no real theming, poorly trained staff, you name it.

The other park, the park at Mall of America, would be a great move for disney. It's the largest indoor theme park in America, and it is just the type of property that could be a big winner. Open year round, The Mall of America has more visitors each year than ANY Disney theme park. It's the number one tourist destination in the country. The theme park space there is in fairly good shape, and would benefit greatly from a little Disney boost.--PLUS, the infrastructure is in place! No need to build from the ground up.

I have always said that it would make a great little Disney "park away from the parks".

A small point of clarification. Cedar Fair didn't own, but managed Camp Snoopy (At the MOA) for years. Last year the mall didn't want to renew the contract and it's now internally managed by the mall itself. Cedar Fair no longer has anything to do with it. It's now called "The Park at the Mall of America". So now their only park in MN is Valleyfair.
 
A small point of clarification. Cedar Fair didn't own, but managed Camp Snoopy (At the MOA) for years. Last year the mall didn't want to renew the contract and it's now internally managed by the mall itself. Cedar Fair no longer has anything to do with it. It's now called "The Park at the Mall of America". So now their only park in MN is Valleyfair.


And wasn't the Mall of America park originally managed/operated by Knott's? Isn't that how Cedar Fair became the management company? If so, apparently the Mall thinks the Cedar Fair buyout wasn't an imrovement for Knott's.
 

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