Service Dog at WDW—a mini trip report

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When we were planning our trip, I found it challenging to find a lot of information about service dog accommodations at WDW so, I thought I would share our experiences.

A Few details—my son is 19, almost 20 and has his service dog for reasons I would rather not go into. After all, a service dog is a service dog for whatever reason you have them for travelling purposes.

For the most part, we found traveling with Max (the dog) at WDW very easy. Magic Kingdom was the easiest and most comfortable for the dog. We split these rides over two days. He was able to go on most rides with my son which was great. We started in Adventureland. Our first ride was Big Thunder Mountain. The CM’s there had us go to the exit where you go when you have an ECV, which I was using anyway. They felt that the rider switch was the best option so that’s what we did. They escorted both of my boys to the opposite side entrance and Max waited with us. Then they came out and my husband and I rode. We then headed to Pirates and it was still close to a walk on. Max was able to ride with my son and he loved the ride, especially the canon firing. We had been a bit concerned by the drop, but he didn’t even seem to notice.🐶 Jungle Cruise was next and went perfectly. He was again able to ride with us. Same experience on Ariel, Pooh, Buzz and People Mover. He really liked Carousel of Progress because their was a potential new friend in the dog on stage. On Peter Pan, we again did the rider swap. The CM who was arranging that was quite rude but the set up worked okay. She was mad that we didn’t want to stand right next to the other service dog that was already waiting there. You just never know so we’d prefer to keep some distance. I did not ride Space Mountain or Mine Train so Max stayed with me. But I did see the area where he would have gone on Mine Teain which was an area behind a door with a large sized crate in it. While the dog is in there, a CM stays with them the whole time.

Our next day was at Disney Studios. Unfortunately, when it comes to rides, there weren’t any that can accommodate a service dog. We did a mix of rider swap and leaving him in the service dog kennel. The kennel at Star Tours was in an out of the way, private location where a CM stayed with him. My son was very comfortable with that arrangement so we rode it twice. At Smugglers run, we asked about the kennel option but they didn’t have it there so we did rider swap. In Toy Story Land, we decided to get a DAS as my son was getting overwhelmed. We used that for Slinky dog and had the dog go in the kennel. That wasn’t a great arrangement as the kennel is in a completely open area where all of the cars pass by. We discovered that day, that apparently Max worries about people who are screaming on roller coasters. So while we rode we could hear him howling/whining/crying. He makes a very distinctive noise. That wasn’t great and unfortunately, the Alien Swirling Saucers arrangement is very similar. He didn’t whine about everyone else, but he was quite worried about his boy every time he went past. At that point, my son went back to our resort. He took an Uber and while the driver was mad about the dog, it was fine.

Our next day was Epcot. At Spaceship Earth, they prefer to stop the ride for the dog to board so we needed to go through the wheelchair entrance. There were a few people needing wheelchair assistance so they loaded several of us at once. My son had an episode on the ride, but Max alerted and mitigated in time to avoid anything major so that was great. We were thankful that he was able to be on the ride with my son. After that, my son didn’t want to go on anything that he might be separated from Max so we just walked around seeing the sights etc. He eventually took another Uber back to our resort and that driver was great. We stayed offsite so that’s why he needed an Uber. In the future, I’d like to stay onsite so that my son has more transportation options.

He didn’t go to Animal Kingdom as he needed time off so I can’t share about that.

The restaurants that we went to were extremely accommodating. They offered water to Max and checked to make sure that where we were seated was the best option for him. At Beaches and Cream, we were seated by the door, and our waitress was concerned that it was not a good place for him, but he is very well trained and he knows that at a restaurant, he goes under the table and sits at my son’s feet.

The only negative experience we had was at our resort. My son opened our door to the hallway and two little yippie, York I’ve type dogs rushed in barking their heads off and tried to bite Max. Now, Max is a solid dog. He's a mix of Beagle and Australian Cattle Dog. He is also extremely unflappable. He wasn’t phased by these dogs thankfully. We have known people who had to retire their dogs after being attacked by other dogs in public. Later, we heard these same dogs barking very aggressively in the hallway outside of our condo. We called and checked if non service dogs were allowed and since they are not, we made a formal complaint. They could take the complaint but couldn’t really do anything about it. Which is completely screwed up. All of the other dogs we saw out and about at the parks etc, were all clearly well trained service dogs.

I know this is long and possibly rambling, but I do help it can help someone in future planning.
 
Thank you for the comprehensive review.
I am trying to understand.Iis Max a Service Dog or an an Emotional Support Dog?
 
Thank you for the comprehensive review.
I am trying to understand.Iis Max a Service Dog or an an Emotional Support Dog?
OP said service dog so take her word. have a friend whose service dog is a sheltie and alerts for med condition which could make OP son not want to be with out if it happened while on a ride and has many people tell her cant take pet in. plus dogs reaction to other dogs tells me service not support
 
A Few details—my son is 19, almost 20 and has his service dog for reasons I would rather not go into.
A rose is a ride is a rose. Your son has a service dog because he has a service dog.
They could take the complaint but couldn’t really do anything about it.
There should be laws banning yippie little dogs.
 
Question - did you alert the Uber drivers in advance that a service dog was involved in the pickup? Some may prefer no animals (and they can since it is a ride-sharing app, not a taxi) because it is their own personal vehicle and they may have a family member who is allergic or be allergic themselves, or they may be frightened of dogs, etc.
 


Question - did you alert the Uber drivers in advance that a service dog was involved in the pickup? Some may prefer no animals (and they can since it is a ride-sharing app, not a taxi) because it is their own personal vehicle and they may have a family member who is allergic or be allergic themselves, or they may be frightened of dogs, etc.

Actually, in both the US and Canada Uber drivers can't refuse a service dog.

This is the US Uber Service Animal Policy: https://www.uber.com/us/en/about/accessibility/service-animal-policy/

quotes from that policy:

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State and federal law prohibit drivers using the Uber Driver app from denying service to riders with service animals because of the service animals, and from otherwise discriminating against riders with service animals. As explained in Uber’s Community Guidelines, drivers who engage in discriminatory conduct in violation of this legal obligation will lose their ability to use the Driver app.

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Legal obligations of drivers
Drivers have a legal obligation to provide service to riders with service animals.
A driver cannot lawfully deny service to riders with service animals because of allergies, religious objections, or a generalized fear of animals.
By virtue of their written Technology Services Agreement with Uber, all drivers using the Driver app have been made aware of their legal obligation to provide service to riders with service animals and have agreed to comply with the law. If a driver refuses to transport a rider with a service animal because of the service animal, the driver is in violation of the law and is in breach of their agreement with Uber.
Consequences for refusal to transport a rider with a service animal
If Uber determines that a driver knowingly refused to transport a rider with a service animal because of the service animal, the driver will be permanently prevented from using the Driver app. Uber shall make this determination in its sole discretion following a review of the incident. If Uber receives plausible complaints on more than one occasion from riders that a particular driver refused to transport a rider with a service animal, that driver will be permanently prevented from using the Driver app, regardless of the justification offered by the driver.


END QUOTE

OP, the webpage above provides information on how to file a service animal complaint with Uber.

SW
 
So when are they going to crack down in Uber and call it what it is - a taxi service skirting the laws of that profession? A real ride share lets you turn down animals. etc, because it's a personal vehicle. No special plates, or special test or medallion needed.
 
Actually, in both the US and Canada Uber drivers can't refuse a service dog.

This is the US Uber Service Animal Policy: https://www.uber.com/us/en/about/accessibility/service-animal-policy/

quotes from that policy:

QUOTE
State and federal law prohibit drivers using the Uber Driver app from denying service to riders with service animals because of the service animals, and from otherwise discriminating against riders with service animals. As explained in Uber’s Community Guidelines, drivers who engage in discriminatory conduct in violation of this legal obligation will lose their ability to use the Driver app.

...


Legal obligations of drivers
Drivers have a legal obligation to provide service to riders with service animals.
A driver cannot lawfully deny service to riders with service animals because of allergies, religious objections, or a generalized fear of animals.
By virtue of their written Technology Services Agreement with Uber, all drivers using the Driver app have been made aware of their legal obligation to provide service to riders with service animals and have agreed to comply with the law. If a driver refuses to transport a rider with a service animal because of the service animal, the driver is in violation of the law and is in breach of their agreement with Uber.
Consequences for refusal to transport a rider with a service animal
If Uber determines that a driver knowingly refused to transport a rider with a service animal because of the service animal, the driver will be permanently prevented from using the Driver app. Uber shall make this determination in its sole discretion following a review of the incident. If Uber receives plausible complaints on more than one occasion from riders that a particular driver refused to transport a rider with a service animal, that driver will be permanently prevented from using the Driver app, regardless of the justification offered by the driver.


END QUOTE

OP, the webpage above provides information on how to file a service animal complaint with Uber.

SW
Why would she file a complaint? The driver took the dog.
 
So when are they going to crack down in Uber and call it what it is - a taxi service skirting the laws of that profession? A real ride share lets you turn down animals. etc, because it's a personal vehicle. No special plates, or special test or medallion needed.
when you hold yourself out to the public as a service for hire, you have to abide by regulations concerning ADA, discrimination laws etc. If you don't want you, you don't advertise your services on a public app. If you are car pooling with a co-worker, yes you can set the rules regarding animals because that is a private transaction.
 
Question - did you alert the Uber drivers in advance that a service dog was involved in the pickup? Some may prefer no animals (and they can since it is a ride-sharing app, not a taxi) because it is their own personal vehicle and they may have a family member who is allergic or be allergic themselves, or they may be frightened of dogs, etc.
Actually, they can't prohibit service animals per ADA and Uber's contract specifically states if they refuse even a single service animal, they can loose their ability to be an Uber driver forever. Now I personally would want to make sure the driver isn't allergic, don't need them having an issue because of having a service animal. We had a driver in New York that refused to take us with our friend who had a service animal and Uber gave us credit for the inconvenience and assured us that driver would "no longer be associated with the Uber service."
 
The only negative experience we had was at our resort. My son opened our door to the hallway and two little yippie, York I’ve type dogs rushed in barking their heads off and tried to bite Max. Now, Max is a solid dog. He's a mix of Beagle and Australian Cattle Dog. He is also extremely unflappable. He wasn’t phased by these dogs thankfully. We have known people who had to retire their dogs after being attacked by other dogs in public. Later, we heard these same dogs barking very aggressively in the hallway outside of our condo. We called and checked if non service dogs were allowed and since they are not, we made a formal complaint. They could take the complaint but couldn’t really do anything about it. Which is completely screwed up.
It is quite clear these dogs were not service dogs, as they were not trained properly and if they were being passed off as service dogs, the handlers were not doing what they are required to do, which is to correct inappropriate behavior immediately.

As a result, not only can Disney invite the so called service animals to leave immediately, in many cases they may be legally required to do so, as it posed a threat to other, legitimate service animals and/or human life. I would have been insisting that Disney do so or move me to a completely new room far away from them, as that is not acceptable behavior.

Now this is also a good time to remind people that some resorts are now dog friendly and may have non-service dogs allowed at them, if you do have a service animal, it may be in your best interest not to stay at these resorts, as the other dogs will not have the same level of training that a service dog will.
 
when you hold yourself out to the public as a service for hire, you have to abide by regulations concerning ADA, discrimination laws etc. If you don't want you, you don't advertise your services on a public app. If you are car pooling with a co-worker, yes you can set the rules regarding animals because that is a private transaction.

That's a fuzzy grey line you just drew - because the Uber app was for "ride share", AKA carpooling, when it first came out. It has morphed into a taxi service without the fees and regulations, but a basic ride share app is not a service for hire.
 
Not really fuzzy - Uber/Lyft is a service for hire with the idea that the driver is making a profit. There are rules set by the company regarding insurance, age and maintenance of cars etc. it is a business model. A car pool is private people deciding to share a ride and split costs. There can be many reasons why they do it- to use a car pool lane and save time, split gas and tolls, company and safety. The only rules are those set by themselves.


That's a fuzzy grey line you just drew - because the Uber app was for "ride share", AKA carpooling, when it first came out. It has morphed into a taxi service without the fees and regulations, but a basic ride share app is not a service for hire.
 
I am trying to understand.Iis Max a Service Dog or an an Emotional Support Dog?

I do understand why the general public tends to display a lack of credulity when the subject of a Service Dog comes up for a nondescript condition. Everywhere I go I see "service dog" vests of dogs that are not even pulling their weight as an emotional support animal. One group of disability advocates fights against licensing of Service Dogs, another pushes for the same.

But disabilities are personal things. It's really none of our business. If you have a condition that meats the ADA description of "disabled" then you are disabled. It doesn't matter if your disability is physical, mental or psychiatric. And if your dog (or in some cases tiny horse ... ugh) has been trained to help you overcome some aspect of your disability then ... it's a service dog.
 
First off, I haven’t been online a lot so I apologize for not getting back here for awhile.

secondly, I will answer The question about service animal vs emotional support. An emotional support animal basically makes the person feel better. A service dog performs a specific task or tasks to mitigate a specific person’s disability. My son has a complicated diagnosis which again, I will not go into as it has no bearing on our experience, and his dog will alert to some symptoms and perform certain tasks to help alleviate those. That is what happened during Spaceship Earth. He also has several other tasks dependent on circumstances.

And about Uber 🙂 Just as it would be illegal to refuse service to someone in a wheelchair, it is illegal to refuse service to someone with a service dog. A service dog is medical equipment. Even so, my son did ask the drivers if the dog was okay. He knew they technically couldn’t refuse him but he has no desire to cause someone problems. The first driver said yes but very crabby. Son asked if driver preferred for the dog to be on the floor or for him to be held on my son’s lap. Driver said, “Whatever.” Second driver, son asked again was the dog okay and the driver said, “Sure man, no problem.” When asked about the floor or lap driver said what ever was best for them was good. So there was a difference in their responses but neither refused him service. Nothing for a complaint but I wanted to be candid for others who might be planning their first trip with an SD.
 
That's a fuzzy grey line you just drew - because the Uber app was for "ride share", AKA carpooling, when it first came out. It has morphed into a taxi service without the fees and regulations, but a basic ride share app is not a service for hire.
It’s not really fuzzy when it’s right there in Uber policy. They agree to the policies when they sign their agreement. The drivers know it’s there. Regardless of what the service is called, that’s the policy.

As an FYI Airbnb has the same policy. Private homes but publically rented and advertised. I just stayed at one that had an absolutely no dogs policy. I was by myself so no worries. And WE wouldn’t ever try to bring Max into someone’s home who didn’t want him. But technically she could lose her ability to list on AirBnB. She could also be sued for discrimination. I did let her know that she was opening herself to risk. She changed her wording to say No pets were allowed and please to consider booking elsewhere with a service dog as the owner has severe allergies.
 
And if your dog (or in some cases tiny horse ... ugh)

Miniature horses are recognized service animals by the ADA. They can do a lot of stuff service dogs can do, but they have a much longer life span.

For some reference, when I worked at Universal Orlando, they said dogs and mini horses where the only two service animals they allow into their parks.

https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htmhttps://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/8/30/20838400/mini-horse-service-animal-policy-advocacy
 
Miniature horses are recognized service animals by the ADA.
This is why I despise the legal strategy of the ADA on this subject. The ADA has crafted a body of law and legal interpretation that is so intentionally vague yet with penalties that are crippling that businesses are terrified to challenge it.

Is the horse a service animal according to the ADA? No. Service animals are dogs.
Service animal means any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. Other species of animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not service animals for the purposes of this definition. - section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (Pub. L. 93-112, 87 Stat. 394 (29 U.S.C. 794), as amended

Then 30 subsections down the page they add a rider saying that a miniature horse trained to assist a disabled person must be accommodated in mostly the same manner as a disabled person with a service dog.

But they very deliberately and specifically do not call the horse a service animal. If a horse were an ADA service animal there would not be a need for this line,
(3) Other requirements. Paragraphs 35.136 (c) through (h) of this section, which apply to service animals, shall also apply to miniature horses.

They have recognized miniature horses as service animals in every aspect except the name. They have drafted a law that spends an extra page writing out protections for miniature horses used as service animals instead of changing the definition of a service animal to,
Service animal means any dog or miniature horse that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind miniature horses. Both the fair housing and dept. of transportation recognize mini horses as service animals (they each have much broader definitions) and I think it fine. But the ADA rubs me the wrong way with stuff like this. Failing to comply with the ADA can destroy a business but the ADA will only rarely make legal clarifications and when they do they fall short.
 

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