selling a house - vent

So, my wife and I have bought a few homes together. We saw many homes. We were taken to many homes (by a realtor) that did not meet our specified requirements. Every time that happened, I would point it out to the realtor and ask to leave. Sometimes this happened as we pulled into the driveway.

For instance, I said that I was not interested in a split level home - wanted a colonial. I can't tell you how many split level homes we were taken to, only for me to say that I would not even walk in the front door. Some realtors got miffed, saying things like, "You don't know what you are missing." You're right. I don't - and I don't care. I am about to pay over $500k for a home. I am not going to compromise.

If realtors are bringing these folks in, that may be the problem. If not, look on the bright side - you are getting people to look at your home. It will sell eventually. But don't expect people to compromise. It is their money.

I get being picky. I am very fussy. I once had a realtor refuse to talk to me anymore. He would only talk to my husband because I was "too picky" and wanted too much in my home. I found a new agent and the perfect house that had all my must haves.

Also, this was before online viewings were so popular. Now I can sit in comfort and eliminate have the houses I want to see.
 
I feel for you OP. Many years ago in another bad market we sold a townhouse because we were able to get a single family because the market was so bad. We priced at 36k for a tri level, remodeled unit. This was a great price. Less than we paid not including the upgrades. We had white appliances & formica since this was before stainless/granite. We had some doozies come through but the best one was the one who asked her agent (I was there while the realtor showed) if the unit had central air(no not one in the complex did against the cc&r), if the complex had a swimming pool & tennis courts? Seriously this is not a country club these are starter home townhouses you're looking at 36K if you want those you needed to look in the 150k plus range even then. Then they put in a laughable offer 25k cash BUT we would have to wait until the wifes parents sold their house which their realtor admitted was in bad condition, in a bad location, and not even on the market! Plus they asked for an appliance allownace because they didn't want to use appliances that someone else had used. All the appliances were mid range & less than a year old. We even were leaving the washer dryer! Needless to say we passed & ened up selling 3 months later for 40k.
 
we sold our house this past spring and got a lot of the "too small" comments. i'm not sure what people expected 1200 square feet to be. i can understand if someone doesn't like the layout, since it's hard to tell that from the pictures. but the square footage is listed and is not a surprise. we even had one who cancelled the appointment from our driveway because they didn't like the front of the house? what? there was a very clear picture of the front of the house, so it wasn't a surprise either.

paint is cheap. i would never disqualify a house because of paint. what are the chances that a seller will have everything in the exact same colors i want anyway?

good luck to you! i hope you find the right buyer soon!

and our realtor didn't take us to any house that i hadn't looked at online first. i gave him a pretty specific list. i sent him houses and he sent me houses. i'd let him know which ones i wanted to see. there were no surprises for me. and, if it was a neighborhood i wasn't familiar with, i'd drive through first. no sense wasting anyone's time.
 
Trying to sell a house is always a pain, but I think it has gotten worse. I think too many people are watching HGTV. They think every house must have hardwood floors, cherry cabinets, granite counter tops and stainless steel appliances or it just isn't worth buying. Ridiculous! In another ten years, all those things will be out of style and people will be looking for just the opposite
I think you're right. HGTV has largely led to the holy buyer's trinity: Hardwood, granite countertops, and stainless steel appliances. People claim to be on such a strict budget, but who complain, "Oh, this bath is so outdated!" when it's perfectly functional, but it doesn't fit the newest "spa like" bath trend or isn't in the latest colors.

Quality is rarely addressed, but those few finishes are the "must haves". Knowing this, a seller knows what to do to make the house move.

What I think's hillarious: Buyers who have to ask, "Is this granite?" And when they find out it's NOT, they say, "Oh, well then it's not good enough." Or the same thing with laminate wood flooring /hardwood. If you can't identify the product, is it really all that important to you?

Here's something I really don't know: Why are undermount sinks the latest rate? Is it a cleaning thing?
Then again, they also are planning on buying well within their means and not some "perfect dream house".
That's part of the problem too, probably worst with young people: We have an awful lot of young people who've been handed whatever they want, when they want it . . . so they don't have a concept of delayed gratification, and they don't grasp the idea of choosing a starter-house that'll do "for now" and over-look the idea of building up to a dream house later in life. They don't "get" that you start out with a washer/dryer in a closet off the kitchen, and then later you can have a bright, sunny laundry room with room for folding your clothes. You start out with a basic little 5x8 bathroom, and in your next house you can afford a walk-in shower and jetted tub. At first you're happy just to have three bedrooms; later in life you can afford the separate office and media room.
I also think that until you get into a house, knowing that the living room is 12x14 doesn't mean that much--is it a 12x14 room that it totally enclosed and had no good wall space or is it part of an open floor plan, etc.
That's a fair statement. All 12 x 14 rooms aren't created equal -- that's understandable, and sometimes you do have to SEE the house to have a real opinion.
When we sold our last house, a week before closing we received a list from the buyers detailing what we were to leave behind and what we could take.

Really did you think you actually bought the house AND everything in it? Those dopes wanted our furniture in the family room, our bedroom set, the dining room set, the washer and dryer etc. They told us we "could" take the living room furniture, the kitchen table, the kids furniture etc. :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
Had to be first-time buyers! Everything's negotiable, of course. It's FINE to say, "I'd like you to leave the appliances and the bedroom set" . . . but it's only going to happen IF it's written into the contract.

Makes me think of a couple things: 1) My grandparents lived in a small apartment for a while, and they had a custom bed built with under-bed storage. It was so big that they sold it along with the apartment. 2) I heard a story from a friend-of-a-friend about a buyer who wrote in that all the curtains were to stay (common thing), and somehow the seller didn't realize it was there . . . the seller became angry when she realized what she'd agreed to, so she took down the curtain rods and left the curtains laying on the floor. Perfectly legal: The realtor should've written in "all window treatments".
I had to laugh at this (sorry), we actually did repaint all the family living space in one house which we sold in nine days in January, and in another house we sold we were so sick of hearing there were no hardwoods we spent something like 500.00 to put down bamboo in the dining room, we then proceeded to sell the house for just about asking as well... Sometimes small changes can mean a very big difference in how your house is perceived.
We're planning to stay in our current house another 5-7 years, but when we get ready to sell it I'll definitely put in the least expensive laminate wood flooring possible, re-paint everything so it'll be fresh and new (and I know we can't afford for our girl-colored bedrooms to turn off an all-boy buyer family), and clear out 1/2 our stuff into a storage building. Like it or not, those things will set the house apart from others and will make it move.
On the other hand, if the work they want done is going to cost $20K, and they don't have an extra $20K on hand right now, it might be they would prefer you do the work and raise the price of the house so they can pay that $20K over 15 or 30 years. It's a lot easier for many people to buy a move-in ready house than to fork over the money to do the work after they've bought it.
Yeah, this is especially true if you're selling a house likely to appeal to first-time buyers with a low budget. When my husband and I were engaged and were shopping for our first house, we found a GREAT HOUSE in horrible condition: Two huge greyhounds lived in the house, and the carpet was jumping with fleas. Every square inch of wall needed paint. The price was so low, and it was a great deal, but we were both barely out of college, paying for a wedding, barely scrapping together a downpayment, no financial cushion of any type . . . and we didn't see how we could pay for the things that needed doing, nor could we see ourselves moving into the house as it was. We briefly discussed asking his dad for financial help, and I know he'd have said yes -- but we couldn't bring ourselves to ask. Today we have greater resources (and credit) at our disposal, and I'd snap that house up in a heartbeat. Back then, well, it was a different story.
The buyers that what wood floors but can't afford them should maybe look at less expensive houses or consider taking a home improvement loan to put the floors in then. For everyone that comes in that wants wood floors someone will come in wanting tile or carpet--same goes with paint colors, you are never going to chose the 'right' color for everyone which is why buyers have to get past minor cosmetic things when buying a house.
I have to disagree. I love to watch HGTV, and I'd estimate that 99% of the buyers want hardwoods (or laminate) at least in their living/dining areas -- some are more accepting of carpet in the bedroom, while others hate it there too. It seems to be the #1 thing that people IN ALL PRICE RANGES want.
I believe part of the problem is that we have not been teaching our children the basics of home life . . . If you are that ignorant, imagine how daunting it would be to look at a house and try and imagine how to fix it up?
Yes, the same basic point I made above!
 

Another thing that always cracks me up is when people are looking at 30 year old homes and they are disappointed that they don't have open floor plans. Folks, that was not the style 30 years ago! Trends change. If you want the latest trends, you'll need to look at recently built homes. If you can't afford that, you may have to compromise.

So many people want their first home to be "THE" home. Those of us who've been around awhile started out with small starter homes and worked our way up. That just doesn't seem to be good enough any more.

When I sold my home in KC, it was a traditional two story, 2300 sq ft home. I painted everything in neutral colors. I changed out the carpet to neutral carpeting. What did I hear? "The front door opens on the stairs. Could they be moved?" Oh, yes. I'll just tear down the house and rebuild it so that you don't see the stairs when you enter the house. "I wish the fireplace was in the corner." "I'd rather have a viynl fence then the wood privacy fence." "I'd prefer cherry cabinets to oak." Needless to say, I just had to ignore the comments. Some things I could not or would not change. Eventually, the right buyer came along and was thrilled with the house.
 
Um ever sold a house? The realtor has the people fill out comment cards.

We've bought two house and sold one. When we were buying, we were *never* asked to fill out a comment card. When we were selling, we left comment cards on the dining room table, but very few viewers filled them out. However our agent got "feedback" from their agent.

As another poster mentioned, I wonder if:
1) the potential buyers are being shown a house that doesn't meet their needs. For instance, they told the realtor they wanted a "ranch" because they didn't want any stairs. He showed them your "raised ranch" which doesn't meet their needs.
2) the buyers were talking amongst themselves and did not expect their comments about yard size/paint color, etc. to get back to the owners. Our "feedback" from the buyers' agents often had comments about the yard being too small. (Acreage-wise, it was actually average size for the area, but our lot was wide/shallow because it was on the cul-de-sac.) Obviously that's not something we can change. I wonder if the buyers just said it to each other, not intending for it to get back to us.)

I agree that people should be able to look past cosmetic things, but sometimes there's something that just "ruins" the house. When we were looking for houses, we toured one that had many things we liked, but the house had a strong smell to it. I think it was a "cooking smell" which probably would have gone away once we moved in... but we ended up not pursuing the house anyway.
 
ugh...our house is on the market now too - and I feel your pain!!

We went on the market July 1st - and apparently the week of July 4th is the 3rd worst week for showings & having your house on the market - right behind Thanksgiving and Christmas..

so....we had no showings the first 10 days...(kill me now..) but in the last 2 weeks we've had 7 showings and we're on the "short list" for 3 different buyers...

I know 3 weeks isnt long to be on the market in this economy, but Im SO OVER the selling process and Im ready to move on!!

:lmao:

Our house is completely updated and we have everything that's "hot" right now and everyone only gives back positive feedback, but with the slow economy right now I guess Buyers are just waiting and making "sure" before they commit to a home...
 
I just closed on my late father's house on the 15th. We didn't have many lookers at our first price so we dropped it twice -- which we could afford to do because the house was owned outright, so we were lucky there.

When we were in the process of cleaning it out and fixing it up, my realtor mentioned to NOT PAINT IT GRAY. He said he doesn't know why, but gray houses sit and sit on the market.

As for comment cards, my realtor did have an internet based feedback thing that let me know every time someone looked at the house, and they had the option to leave feedback. Everyone who looked at the house left feedback.

And I have to say I love that HGTV has people all fixated on what (they think) they want... I knew exactly what finishes to choose to get that house sold... while the other 10 in the neighborhood are still sitting there (and those all have nicer yards).
 
As for the dining room-give me a break, if someone couldn't figure out that a room was built to be a dining room they really have issues. Our current dining room was a formal living room when we bought it, sure didn't keep us from using it as a dining room-it is really a flex room that could go either way.

My advice to buyers--stop watching the home shopping/renovations shows.

While I agree with you that renovation shows are putting people's noses out of joint a bit, I will have to say that if that dining room turned home school was cluttered, it very well may be difficult to imagine full-sized furniture in it. We have a friend who uses hers as a craft room. Holy cow, the crap and I mean, the crap that is loaded in there. Hard to see the forest through the trees.

It's amazing what a little decluttering can do to the space of a room. Buyers - clear out your clutter and then do it again and put away even more stuff. Box it up and take it away from the home. Nothing makes a house look like it can't accomodate a family than a cluttered house. You'll do everyone a favor...the buyers will see the rooms as they are intended and will be able to imagine their furniture in it, and you, the seller, may just get that offer sooner rather than later.
 
When we were in the process of cleaning it out and fixing it up, my realtor mentioned to NOT PAINT IT GRAY. He said he doesn't know why, but gray houses sit and sit on the market.
I love gray houses! Especially with white trim and front porches.
 
Here's something I really don't know: Why are undermount sinks the latest rate? Is it a cleaning thing?

Probably and also because they just look nicer. I love mine! :love:
 
So our nice raised ranch has been for sale for months. It is on the internet so it is quite clear that it is a raised ranch painted in greys, greens, blues. We don't have hardwood, evident in pictures and the room sizes and square footage are listed. No, the basement is not finished but pictured. Oh and the back yard has a fence, play area, shed and deck. So please don't schedule a viewing and tell me:

it is too big/small
we want neutral colours (really grey is neutral)
too bad there is no hardwood
oh there are stairs
no finished basement (house priced to reflect that fact)
we could not possibly do ANYTHING with the back yard
we would have to buy all new furniture to live here

you are wasting my time and your own. Did you think we took pictures of the neighbours house.

Thanks for listening. I really needed to vent.

I completely understand your frustration. You know what happened to us? we caught with our home security system, the realtor himself bashing our house as the people who were visiting were going through the house! :scared1: those people would have likely made an offer. They were in love with the house, but the realtor MADE UP things as he went to make sure they didn't make an offer on that house, as he had a listing under his own name down the street he wanted to sell.

It's a dirty market, with the money problems the country is having its even more difficult.
 
we sold our house this past spring and got a lot of the "too small" comments. i'm not sure what people expected 1200 square feet to be. i can understand if someone doesn't like the layout, since it's hard to tell that from the pictures. but the square footage is listed and is not a surprise. we even had one who cancelled the appointment from our driveway because they didn't like the front of the house? what? there was a very clear picture of the front of the house, so it wasn't a surprise either.

paint is cheap. i would never disqualify a house because of paint. what are the chances that a seller will have everything in the exact same colors i want anyway?

good luck to you! i hope you find the right buyer soon!

and our realtor didn't take us to any house that i hadn't looked at online first. i gave him a pretty specific list. i sent him houses and he sent me houses. i'd let him know which ones i wanted to see. there were no surprises for me. and, if it was a neighborhood i wasn't familiar with, i'd drive through first. no sense wasting anyone's time.

Again, this goes back to getting into a house and seeing it for yourself. One home we had was 2200 sq feet. It was VERY spacious, even more so in some ways to our current house of 3600 sq feet all because of the layout of the other house. Our first house was 960 sq feet on the main (we had a basement that was partially finished too). When people got into the house they were really surprise that it was really THAT SMALL--again, the layout-the right rooms were big and that made a big difference.
 
Trying to sell a house is always a pain, but I think it has gotten worse. I think too many people are watching HGTV. They think every house must have hardwood floors, cherry cabinets, granite counter tops and stainless steel appliances or it just isn't worth buying. Ridiculous! In another ten years, all those things will be out of style and people will be looking for just the opposite.QUOTE]

You're absolutely right about HGTV. I think those programs have just put an expectation that is unrealistic in the real world. I sold a house 2 years ago and it was on the market for a year. Comments: Don't like the color of the carpet, no granite, no ceramic kitchen floor. PULEEEZE!!! If you don't like it, please don't come to see it. As the PP said, all the pictures were on the website. Did you think it was going to be different when you came to the house? :rotfl:
 


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