Security at the parks???

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My husband and I are going in May - we have been saving and planning for quite a while so we will not cancel. While I mainly worry about our troops over in Iraq, I am also concerned about our safety here. I know that Disney is in the process of constructing a permanent bag check area - does anyone know of other precautionary measures Disney is taking to ensure our safety inside and outside of the parks? Thanks for any info:)
 
I'm sure there are many security measures in effect that we, the traveling public, are not made aware of. Nor should we be, it wouldn't be security if everyone knew all the details.
 
That's true but I was just hoping that someone could calm my fears - I know I will feel safe in the parks but I was hoping to know if they are taking any measures for those of us at Disney hotels and those utilizing their transportation. We'll still be there:)
 
We just went this week and were not overly impressed with the security checkpoints. DH and I were each wearing a belly bag and had strollers with a bag hanging off the back. One day they would check all the zippered compartments on the belly bags, one day just the main zipper part. The only time they checked the bags with the strollers was the first day when we placed them on the counter. We kind of forgot to after that and nobody ever said a word, just waved us through after checking the belly bags. If it is true security, it is their responsibility to check everything before allowing us past.

I also saw people with big backpacks. They opened the top and took a glance, maybe moved one or two things. Then they squeezed the bag here and there, I assume feeling for a weapon.

On the other hand, it was a very fast process.
 

jenjie, it is true that the majority of bag checks at the parks that I have been through have not been terribly thorough, but I have heard that the security tightens up when the alert level goes to "Orange Alert" . And really, I think Disney is probably more concerned with an attack from someone OUTSIDE the parks. I think we are as safe at WDW as we are in any public place - like a grocery store or airport. Even the best security measures can't protect us from everything. Generally, if some wacko wants to commit a suicide bombing somewhere, they will find a way. Even a 2 hour thorough bag check will not prevent it. If Disney had the same security as a military installation, they still could not guard against every possible scenario. They take reasonable security measures to protect their property and guests.

Again, I feel as safe at the parks and in the hotels as I do in any area that has public access. The resorts do have guard houses for the parking areas, and I'm sure hotel security also increases with the alert status. Last January we saw an awful lot of visible security vans driving around OKW.
 
Chuck you've made a great point. I agree, I felt just as safe at Disney as I would at my local grocery store. I just lost my train of thought so I'll end it here. ;)
 
I read an article a month ago and I wish I could remember where but it talked about the security of Disneyland and WDW. They are the most closely monitored parks in the world. There are cameras everywhere. They watch for strange and disruptive behavior, such as arguments and fights, so as not to disturb those just wanting to have fun. Every area that is not designated for public access is watched for those trying to get behind the scenes or jumping off rides in the middle of them. Every hiding place is watched for those trying to stay after park closes. As far as bag searches go you have to remember that we know what the enemy looks like and its not women, kids, or even men with families. Terrrorists don't operate like that. They don't have to stripsearch everyone to be thorough. The y also have undercover people roaming the parks, watching. So leave the security to Disney and enjoy yourself. Besides I'll be there in May and who would harm Goofy?
 
We're back at Orange again, and we were at Orange in mid-February when I last visited the parks. I didn't notice anything blatant, and we did spend most of our time at Universal, but they were very diligent about checking your bags. There was also a strange unmarked helicopter that seemed to hover over the entrance to Universal during an entire day that we were there. It was strange, but it wasn't cumbersome and didn't interfere with our enjoyment at all.

However, I just tuned in to CNN and they were discussing "Operation Liberty Shield," which seems to go quite a bit further than the last Orange alert did. They specifically stated that new flight restrictions are in place in many American cities, and also Disneyworld in Florida and Disneyland in California.

I'll do a web search for it in a minute, but does this mean that the Disney parks have become a no-fly zone?

Interesting topic.

- Jennifer

EDITED TO ADD: I can't find any specific information, but Reuters reports that under Operation Liberty Shield, flights over the Disney parks in both Florida and California are banned. The article specifically mentioned that the Disney parks are seen as potential "symbolic targets."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...&e=15&u=/nm/20030318/ts_nm/attack_homeland_dc
 
From the Mousesavers article.........
A significant number of Orange County Sheriff's Office deputies are assigned to the theme parks all day, every day.
UH.......no there may be 1 or 2 at the entrance and that is it.
Many areas where the public might try to wander "back stage" have pressure-sensitive floor mats that set off alarms.
Again.....not true.
 
Originally posted by Chuck S
I'm sure there are many security measures in effect that we, the traveling public, are not made aware of. Nor should we be, it wouldn't be security if everyone knew all the details.

I'm telling you...whenever Chuck speaks, it's golden.

Thanks Chuck!

A very special "kungaloosh" to Chuck!
 
If New York City can tell us all about their security measures - I'm sure WDW could as well. I personally would feel a whole lot better if they would. after being in WDW 2 weeks after 9/11 I can tell you security was lame at best. I saw mostly 80 year old security guards shaped like boiled shrimp glancing into bags. I was shocked. I think a huge corporation such as Disney, should make their security known to the public. Definately not in the form of armed nat'l guards, like Manhattan, but make the public feel secure with some kind of presence. I think security is security, no matter who knows about it. Geeze we know more about the operations of the upcoming war than we do of WDW security. Since it has been named as a soft target - I would like to know something!


DW Goofy - What you are doing is Racial Profiling. No we do not know what terrorists look like. The airports treat one and all the same, when it comes to security. To make a broad statement like that is insane. it is obivous that you will have families in WDW. Do you think a terrorist will try to get in wearing a turban and robe with a huge backpack? The problem is we do not know what the terrorist looks like, since you cannot tell who the "bad guy" is by race, gender, color of skin, etc, It is also not legal and a company can be sued by individuals for what you are speaking of.

I just feel that since we all pay very good money to enjoy WDW, we should know what they are doing to protect us. There are many places in which to spend your hard earned vacation dollar and time, since we choose WDW to spend that time and money what are they doing for us. I don't have to go into NYC everyday, but when I do I know that I am protected by security- some things I know, some things I don't. I know we do not need/want to know all security measures in WDW, but I would like them to to a bit better than old men in polyester uniforms waving you into the park without even a glance into your bag.
 
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Federal Aviation Administration Tuesday announced flight restrictions for aircraft flying in the New York City and Washington areas, and near Disney World and Disneyland.

The restrictions, which affect both commercial and private aircraft, are in conjunction with the government raising the terrorism threat level in the United States from yellow (elevated) to orange (high) as U.S. forces are poised for war in Iraq. Airspace restrictions announced Tuesday will remain in effect indefinitely, the FAA said.

"We're taking measures to correspond with the threat level to protect the airspace. That which is inside that airspace are potential targets of symbolic value," FAA spokesman Greg Martin said.

But he added, "there is no specific, credible threat for Disney."

The new regulations in effect create a no-fly zone around Disney World in Orlando, Florida and Disneyland in Anaheim, California. Unless pilots are granted specific exemptions from air traffic controllers, no flights are allowed within a 3-mile radius around the parks or below 3,000 feet.

Government officials said the Disney restrictions are not based on any specific or new information, but rather stem from a general concern about those two locations as possible terror targets.

Counterterrorism officials said the Disney parks have come up in interviews with al Qaeda operatives. Pictures and information about the parks have been found during some terror sweeps overseas, they say.

Officials said the two parks fit the bill for desirable targets: they are symbolic, they attract a huge number of people on any given day, and hitting them could cause economic distress because it would cause people to stay away from tourist sites or recreational facilities.

One senior counterterrorism official said "it's only prudent" to make those locations more secure.

The FAA has imposed temporary flight restrictions over Disney parks on and off since the September 11 terror attacks.

Disney spokeswoman Leslie Goodman said the latest airspace restriction is nothing new and expressed concern the latest restriction is unnecessarily worrying visitors. She complained Disney's phones have been ringing off the hook with anxious vacationers calling.

Also new is the Air Defense Identification Zone, which extends for a 30-mile radius around the New York City area's three major airports: Kennedy, LaGuardia and Newark, New Jersey. All aircraft in the zone flying below 18,000 feet must have a flight plan and be in continual contact with air traffic controllers through transponders onboard and verbal contact from pilots.

In Washington, a 30-mile restricted zone was imposed February 10 when the nation's security alert was raised from yellow to orange. That February restriction also required all aircraft to have flight plans on file and required transponders and continual pilot contact, but the flight-plan requirement was lifted for Washington after the alert was lowered back to yellow. Tuesday, the FAA re-imposed the flight-plan requirement in the Washington zone.

The FAA also reinstituted a requirement imposed under the previous orange alert that aircraft based at three smaller airports in the Washington area first land at a "gateway" airport for clearance by the Transportation Security Administration before proceeding on to their base airports. The three airports are College Park, Potomac Airfield and Washington Executive/hyde, all in Maryland.

The gateway airport is Tipton Airport near Fort Meade, Maryland, and is outside the restricted zone.
 
We are heading to WDW in 2 weeks and I got a call from my mom last night after the report of added security regarding the park. As I told her, we can't live our lives in fear of a terrorist attack - if we do, then they have already attacked us personally.

Am I concerned for my family - yes.
Am I apprehensive about traveling - yes.

BUT...Am I going to let my life be ruled by people that care nothing for human life and live in fear of them for the rest of my life - NO.


:)
 
We were in WDW on 9/11. It was very frightening to be there when that happened --especially with some of the rumors flying around before we got out of the park. We went back on Sept.12 (nervously). Then a strange thing happened. Not only did I tear up several times that day thinking about how something might happen that we would never be able to come back to WDW but as we watched the skies thinking about terrorist activity this warm feeling flooded over me. I thought, "If we have to die-- what a way to go out!" Sick, I know- --but it made me relax and enjoy. There are few places I'd rather be if something rotten happened.
 
There was a small blurb on Good Morning America today about the security at Disney. They stated that there would increased security working Disney World and Disney Land. Also, there is the no fly zone over the parks now.
 
Well Gonga you obiously haven't been paying any attention to who the terrorists are. They have tons of pictures of the ones they've caught. Not one woman, not one child, not one anglo, not one african american person, no mexicans, no chinese, no japanese, etc. etc. Wake up man, seaching everyone is a Big waste of time. Stop this PC nonsense thinking. Maybe you don't know who the bad guys are but the rest of the world knows. I have a very good Iranian friend and he agrees his looks fit the profiles.
 
Originally posted by gonga
Geeze we know more about the operations of the upcoming war than we do of WDW security. Since it has been named as a soft target - I would like to know something!
Why? No place on earth is 100% safe. If you don't feel safe at WDW, then don't go. I don't think they're in any way obligated to tell anyone what their security measures are, past that they have them in place. When you walk into the mall, or your office building, or your kids' schools, or any place else where there's a large number of people, do you first ask what their security plan is? Maybe the mall or your office building aren't on someone's arbitrary list of "soft targets," but the fact is, no one knows WHERE terrorists might hit next or even IF they'll ever hit again. You're no more or less safe at WDW than at any other large gathering place.

The airports treat one and all the same, when it comes to security.
But I would wager that there have been more terrorist incidents involving airports and airplanes than there have been at Disney World. Which means that even with all the security you see and are subjected to, airports and airplanes are not totally safe. And yet ... we fly.

I just feel that since we all pay very good money to enjoy WDW, we should know what they are doing to protect us. There are many places in which to spend your hard earned vacation dollar and time, since we choose WDW to spend that time and money what are they doing for us. ... I know we do not need/want to know all security measures in WDW, but I would like them to to a bit better than old men in polyester uniforms waving you into the park without even a glance into your bag.
I don't see why money has anything to do with it. You either want to be safe or not. If you paid less to get in, would you be happier with knowing less about security? Do you walk into Downtown Disney thinking, "It doesn't cost me anything to come here, so I don't care about the safety procedures." How much you pay to be somewhere doesn't have anything to do with how much you're entitled to know about their security.

And, speaking of broad statements, as you were earlier to DW Goofy ... the Disney security force is not made up of "old men in polyester uniforms." That's a stereotypical generalization that is simply not true. But if you really want a close-up look, try doing something wrong in the parks -- pull a weapon, make a threat, start a fight. You'll see what the security force at WDW looks like. Those front-line security folks take their jobs just as seriously as any security force anywhere. And if you're unsure of that, then you always have the option of putting WDW on your "to do" list for AFTER the war.

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DW Goofy....I cannot believe I have to explain this to you. Racial Profiling is wrong and against the Civil Rights of this Country. Please educate yourself and visit this website www.aclu.org a little education goes a long way. Now what would you do? I am Italian, I have dark hair, dark eyes and olive skin. my cousins are hallf Italian and half puertoRican. My neice is married to an Indian. He looks "terrorist like" but how can you tell, actually we all kind of look "terrorist like". Are we less American than you? Since the real terrorists "Americanized" their look, they were able to live and plan among the "good guys". Not every American is blonde haired and blue eyed wearing Kakhies and a polo shirt. We are a melting pot and you cannot say Mexicans, Japanese, German etc..is safe looking. Do you suggest having seperate security lines? I think you should introduce yourself to this country's Civil Rights. You cannot single someone out for the way they LOOK. Everyone has to be treated equally and fairly. You must search one and all and you cannot wave someone thru because they do not LOOK like a terrorist.

WD Searcher, I was refering to airport security not singling someone out as far as the way they Look- everyone is treated the same, not comparing airport security with WDW security. Today Disney stock (which I own) closed a bit higher but they are still struggling due to low theme park attendance. People do not feel secure and safe there. After being in WDW shortly after 9/11 the security was just as I described, without exaggeration. They were very old men, very nice, but very old men. Having them on the front lines of security was not a comforting sight. in my 40+ visits to WDW I have never witnessed any type of security, which is a good thing. I think in this time in America if disney wants more people to visit, they should make their visitors feel more secure. I live right outside NYC and go in a few times a week. After seeing what has been implemented, I feel very safe in Manhattan. I do not think WDW has to show that kind of security presence, but some would be nice. They should re-think their security measures to have people return to the parks again. This Disboard is just a very small fraction of people and not everyone feels this way about WDW. Not everyone feels the way we do when we say we are going to WDW no matter what. People are not willing to travel to WDW or anywhere for that matter. Believe me - I am a TA, or I should say was, since there has been no business. The only trips I have booked are my own

And this is what money has to do with it. I am spending thousands of dollars in WDW during a time when most would not even think of it. What are they doing to protect their guests. Believe me I know that no place is 100% safe. I am not going on vacation to be safe, but I would like to know that I am, since I don't have to spend that money there at all. For instance I could go to the BVI on vacation. Its not a terrorist target, very safe. What do you think Disney should do to bring people back into the parks? I think they should make tham feel safe and comfortable.
 












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