Saving Pvt Ryan on SOME ABC stations tonight

Bush or not, the rules HAVE changed since Janet. Bush did appoint the current FCC leadership. What about ER, which has shown woman's breasts without fine or NYPD Blue who has shown Dennis Franz's naked rear end as well as other nudity without fines.
For starters ER has always aired outside the 7-10 PM period which the FCC has deemed as the "family friendly" period. (I believe the same is true of NYPD). Secondly, again... the FCC has consistently stated that context matters. When I was in high school in 1978 NBC air the mini-series Holocaust that featured nudity of Jewish men and women about to he gassed. Even in those seemingly "prudish" times the FCC didn't step in. Ditto for Schindler's List. The FCC continues to demonstrate that it understands the difference between such displays that are contextually appropriate and Janet deciding to flash us her nipple broach. This is why I phrased my previous statement about flashing the way I did.

Stern has been doing his schitk for years without fines.
And he has periodically been smacked down by the FCC when he's gone over the line. Are you trying to insinuate that Stern never dreamed that he'd get in trouble for his "schitk"? Come'on... were talking about a genre that wears FCC fines on their chests as a badge of honor!
 
Originally posted by phorsenuf
This is a statement (and explanation) from our local station. A bunch of Hooey!


WMUR Programming Note
'Ryan' Will Not Be Shown

POSTED: 9:54 am EST November 11, 2004

We've got a programming change on WMUR tonight we want to pass along to you.

WMUR-TV and our parent company, Hearst-Argyle Television, have decided not to air the movie "Saving Private Ryan." The plan to air the movie tonight was a fitting tribute -- on this Veterans Day -- to those who serve and have served our nation.

But some recent decisions by the Federal Communication Commission have established some new legal standards that make airing movies such as "Private Ryan," which is recommended for mature audiences only, inappropriate before 10 p.m.

We asked ABC for permission to run the movie at 10 p.m. ABC said no, leaving us no choice but to cancel the movie. If we aired the program tonight, we could face stiff fines and put our broadcast license in jeopardy.

So, instead of airing "Saving Private Ryan" tonight, we'll be airing a special high-definition edition of "New Hampshire Chronicle" from 8 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. and the movie "Far and Away" from 8:30 p.m. to 11 p.m. That's followed by News 9 at 11 that will include a tribute to our veterans on this Veterans Day.

As always, we do welcome thoughtful comments from our viewers and the communities we serve.

Yup, that is what we got up the top of NH as well! :rolleyes:
 
I'm happy to say that SPR aired here, and no one was forced to watch it that didn't want to.
 
Originally posted by Royalbear
I haven't read all the posts, but here is my thought:

I know what PVT Ryan is about. I can choose to not watch it. I know that Desperate Housewives has some raunchy scenes, I can choose to not watch it.

However, during the superbowl, I never had the chance to make the decision for myself. JJ's thing was out there during a half time show when it was least expected. I would not have been horrified if it was announced: JJ will be flashing her incredibly ugly **** with its weird ring during half time. I would have simply turned her off.

Don't take away my choices. Just give me the choice. That's what I think the FCC is trying to accomplish, albeit with a little strong backlash.

Royalbear - ITA!!!

I was getting ready to post the exact same thought!!!

A parent has a chance to stop thier child from seeing all the other stuff b/c they know what the show is about - but the SuperBowl Half-Time show? Every 10 year old boy in America was watching and their parents never had a chance! I also think those 10 year olds were in full control of the remote as Tivo reported it was the most replayed 10 seconds in their history!!!

And Chad :
To America:

It was a ****. Get over it.

There are still parents in America who like to teach their children to be respectful to women and their bodies - having JJ flash all of America in the middle of the Super Bowl half-time show undermines this!
 
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Originally posted by julia & nicks mom
And Chad :

There are still parents in America who like to teach their children to be respectful to women and their bodies - having JJ flash all of America in the middle of the Super Bowl half-time show undermines this!

:rolleyes:

Come on, its the human body. Nothing to be ashamed of. Your children have seen one before, this one just happened to have a neat little ring attached to it
:D
 
Originally posted by Doug123
It's my understanding that local affiliates are concerned about the FCC coming down on them for airing Saving Private Ryan.

As businesses, I assume that local affiliates care more about their bottomline than protesting. If airing the movie would be without problem, and benefit them financially, then they would do so without hesitation.


From what I read in the Dallas paper today ABC was willing to pay the fines of local affiliates, so it wasn't about the bottom line.
 
Originally posted by chadfromdallas
:rolleyes:

Come on, its the human body. Nothing to be ashamed of. Your children have seen one before, this one just happened to have a neat little ring attached to it
:D

I see it as more than just the human body - I would like to teach my daughter to carry herself with respect and that when in need of a little attention - baring herself to the nation during the SuperBowl halftime (or to anyone) is probably not the kind of attention she needs or deserves.

I believe it all boils down to respect and and JJ showed (in my opinion) a lack of respect for herself.

I know you are not as conservative as I and do not hold the same beliefs in this matter as I do - but this strenghtens my belief that those who would have liked to shield their child from this situation did not have the opportunity to do so.
 
I believe it all boils down to respect and and JJ showed (in my opinion) a lack of respect for herself.

ITA.

Again, I don't get too upset over things like this. Didn't really get upset over this happening (we fortunately don't have Tivo), but I could do without the "in your face" crap that celebrities feel they have to do. If JJ wants to bare herself, great, go ahead. Just show some common decency.
 
I found an article last night saying that the FCC remained vague on their definition of obscene. Would the F word in SPR be a fineable offense or not?

ABC isn't the one to blame. They were following Director Spielberg's guidelines and were willing to foot the bill for any fines doled out by the FCC.

The local stations may or may not have had a point with not showing it although I think it has less to do with concern about "family values" than political beliefs. :rolleyes:

So that leaves the Big Brother FCC. Unless you've been living under a rock, you should know that SPR contains extreme violence and profanity. All wars contain extreme violence and profanity. So you take the kiddies and change the station.

One small crack in our freedoms is leading to a bigger and bigger break and most people do not or will not see it. The "Patriot Act" has allowed the government to seize the assets of innocent Americans and give NO explainations. How do I know this? Because it's happening to a 63 year old member of my own family and the worst thing he ever did was get a parking ticket.

Subtle censorship in the guise of "family values" may find us down the road wondering why history is being rewritten.

The time to stop this insanity is now. If we are a nation of the people, by the people and for the people, then make your voice heard. Contact the FCC and tell them censorship cannot and will not be tolerated!

Phone: 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322)
TTY: 1-888-TELL-FCC (1-888-835-5322)
Fax: 1-866-418-0232
E-mail: fccinfo@fcc.gov

Roberta
 
I found an article last night saying that the FCC remained vague on their definition of obscene. Would the F word in SPR be a fineable offense or not?
Bull cookies! No doubt this "belief" stems from the "Bono incident". Bono left slip the F-word during an awards show and it made it onto the airwaves. At first the FCC said that it wasn't indecent because it wasn't a scripted use of the word. The problem is that the FCC then realized that they had created a large loophole.... being that, as long as it wasn't scripted, profanity could be aired with apparent impunity from sanctions. The FCC then closed the loophole by saying that Bono's slip was indeed indecent, but they refused to fine or sanction the broadcaster due to the context (there's that word again!) of the utterance.
 
Originally posted by Geoff_M
At first the FCC said that it wasn't indecent because it wasn't a scripted use of the word. The problem is that the FCC then realized that they had created a large loophole.... being that, as long as it wasn't scripted, profanity could be aired with apparent impunity from sanctions.

Which was the prior precedent.

The FCC then closed the loophole by saying that Bono's slip was indeed indecent, but they refused to fine or sanction the broadcaster due to the context (there's that word again!) of the utterance. [/B]

They didn't fine because of "context" they didn't fined because of prior precedent. Copps and Martin also both dissent reguarding fines but were overturned by the majority, who all acknogledge that there ruling causes a policy shift. Read the opinions.

Kathleen Abernathy says "I do recognize, however, that today's decision is a departure from prior Commission's precedent and policy. That is why I could not support a fine in this case."

So according to FCC comissioner Kathleen Abernathy a fine wasn't levied because they were changing precedent. Michael Powell echos this sentiment.

She goes on to state "I emphasize, however, that the law has
now changed and all licensees are on notice that even
isolated and fleeting broadcasts of the f-word may violate
our restrictions on indecency and profanity."

Which is where last nights broadcast begins to get fuzzy.

In the "Bono" incedent Michael Copps pushed for fines and stated that " The f-word clearly meets the definition of indecency whether used as an adjective, expletive, ``intensifier'' (as NBC
curiously argues here), or any other part of speech. "

Comissioner Kevin Martin states " I am pleased that the Commission finally is making clear that the use of the ``F-word'' during this prime-time broadcast was both indecent and profane, regardless of whether used as an adjective, adverb, or gerund. I am particularly pleased that, at long last, the Commission is
enforcing the statutory prohibition against the broadcast of
profanity. Better late than never."

If it were my station I would have seriously considered pulling the program. It isn't just fines. Michael Copps has been campaigning heavily that stations start loosing licenses. He proposed hearing to determine license seizure in the Bono case, and in several radio cases.

The climate has changed since the Superbowl. And because of that shift, stations have to be more and more careful with anything that could be called into question.
 
The climate has changed since the Superbowl. And because of that shift, stations have to be more and more careful with anything that could be called into question.
Again, baloney... No station honestly thought that airing SPR would trigger any proceeding with the FCC. It was a PR stunt. It's now "the day after"... Any indications that the FCC is about to launch an investigation into those ABC affiliates that did bravely throw caution to the wind and aired the film???

As for this being new terrain, the FCC has a clear history of ruling against the use of profanity on the airwaves. Ask George Carlin about the actions that took place with regard to the airing of his "Seven Dirty Words..." piece in the 70's for example.
 
Originally posted by Geoff_M
Again, baloney... No station honestly thought that airing SPR would trigger any proceeding with the FCC.

You obviously don't know anyone who works in radio or tv. I talked to both radio and tv programmers yesterday and they all said they wouldn't air it. The TV people were from an NBC affiliate so they didn't have to make that decision.

Look at the industry trades. The climate has changed. There have been 11 indecency fines in 2004, compaired to the 3 in 2003. The fines have also been increased from 27,500 per incident to $275,000 this year. CBS, Clear Channel and Fox have all been threatned with license seizure. I can not believe you don't think stations are watching their backs. Especially since the FCC said they wouldn't rule on Saving Private Ryan because it would be censorship.

Don't get my wrong I don't hink this is a "Bush" issue or anything like that....my bottom line is that since the Superbowl, the rules are changeing and the FCC is being more vigilant about issuing fines for things that once weren't fined.

As for this statement
As for this being new terrain, the FCC has a clear history of ruling against the use of profanity on the airwaves. Ask George Carlin about the actions that took place with regard to the airing of his "Seven Dirty Words..." piece in the 70's for example

Thank you, given YOUR statement that the FCC has a "clear history of ruling against the use of profanity on the airwaves"....why should they risk hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and possible license sizeure by airing Saving Private Ryan a which uses the F word (One of Carlin's 7 deadlies) more than 20 times and which the FCC, when specifically asked, gave them no clear indication that it would be excempt from fines due to context???
 
When I was in high school, our class watched Glory when we were learning about the Civil War, and we learned so much from it. I hope they do that with Private Ryan and Schindler's List now too for WWII.

We watched Glory as well in my high school history class. I learned a lot from it and it did help bring to life what we were reading about in our textbooks...
 
For starters ER has always aired outside the 7-10 PM period which the FCC has deemed as the "family friendly" period. (I believe the same is true of NYPD).
I was searching for something, and this message popped up. Despite being six years old, I thought I'd post a clarification of something mentioned in it: The "Before 10 PM" standard is absolute, not relative to the Eastern and Pacific time zones. (It is not a "10 PM / 9 PM Central time" thing.) Therefore, both ER and NYPD Blue were presented within the scrutiny period, because they were both broadcast 9PM-10PM Central Time.

Anyway, the NYPD Blue situation changed today, as an appeals court threw out the $1.21 million penalty originally assessed.
 
I was searching for something, and this message popped up. Despite being six years old, I thought I'd post a clarification of something mentioned in it: The "Before 10 PM" standard is absolute, not relative to the Eastern and Pacific time zones. (It is not a "10 PM / 9 PM Central time" thing.) Therefore, both ER and NYPD Blue were presented within the scrutiny period, because they were both broadcast 9PM-10PM Central Time.

Anyway, the NYPD Blue situation changed today, as an appeals court threw out the $1.21 million penalty originally assessed.

This is exactly right, which is why Without a Trace was fined as well. Although the disputed show aired after 10 Eastern time, it aired at 9 Central time thus violating the rules. I think the affiliates were originally fined more than $3 million, although as I recall they settled for significantly less.
 
I suspect the Without a Trace fine will be reversed, as well, in time, as the courts work their way through the plethora of cases where the FCC exceeded its authority.
 


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