Sad Story from One Who Trusted without Checking!

[JandD Mom]

The real owner of the points may not even have any idea that their name is being used by this person. The deeds are public records that can be found on the internet. There is a lot of information on those deeds.

Do we really think that someone without a home, car, job or bank account plunked down thousands of dollars to buy a DVC contract in her Aunt's name?

 

[robinb]

Despite it all (both to me and to StaceySaulito), I'm not yet ready to call this person a thief/embezzler/fraud artist. There's still some possibility (possibly remote) that she will return our money...

I agree. I think that we should try to chill out and let the PP work it out with her renters. If we continue to call the PP names and accuse her of things it may negatively effect both renters. I sincerely hope that the PP will reach out to them today and make things right.

 

[Lewisc]

We don't have the slightest idea what's going on. It's certainly possible the DVC Owner transferred her points to her aunt just prior to getting into financial difficulty (losing her job).

The real owner of the points may not even have any idea that their name is being used by this person. The deeds are public records that can be found on the internet. There is a lot of information on those deeds.

Do we really think that someone without a home, car, job or bank account plunked down thousands of dollars to buy a DVC contract in her Aunt's name?

 

[ZipaDeeDooDah]

I will be taking "next steps" later today. I will not post what they will be. But I do not intend to simply "fade quietly into the night"...

I am so glad that you are not going to let this go unanswered and unresolved. I will be thinking about you and Stacey today.

 

[DisneyMommyMichelle]

i'm sorry to see nothing got resolved i was hoping this morning would bring good news. hug to the OP and all others caught in this nasty net.

 

[DMKEDM]

My personal opinion (for what it's worth, which may be nothing!) is that a low post count is NOT a reason to avoid a renter...we all have to start somewhere...and as someone pointed out, I've got a low post count, too (or at least I did before all this started--grin!)...

It's a sign that some further caution may be required...to be sure the person knows how to do a rental agreement/transfer, for example. But just because someone is new to posting doesn't necessarily mean they're new to renting. And even if they're new to renting, that doesn't mean they haven't done their research and know how to do what they're offering to do...and even if they're new and learning as they go, good communication between the person offering the points and the person wanting to rent the points will solve most problems...

So, to me, a low post count is just one factor to consider when deciding whether to go forward.

I also feel compelled to point out that this "PP" has a history of difficult, but ultimately successful, rentals...The VogelFamily DID get their vacation on the PP's rented points. A previous poster noted he'd rented from her four times (via ebay), successfully. It may well be that she's learning a hard lesson here, too...that a successful rental agreement requires more communication than she thought necessary. Maybe she's feeling defensive now. There's certainly evidence to support hope that she will in fact return both my money and StaceySaulito's...just not as quickly as we think is warranted.

The whole point of this thread, originally, was NOT to "trash" a problem poster, but to point out the kinds of steps that can be taken that can avoid this type of problem. I do see the danger here of so "attacking" the PP that she throws up her hands and "runs away." She still has a chance to make good on her promises and to do the right thing. She may still do so. There's no way, even if Disboards would allow me to, that I'd post the kind of linked post that has been suggested. To me, until and unless she actually welsches on her promise to return my money (and StaceySaulito has to make her own decision on this), that would be unfair and unwarranted.

Anyway...we'll see what happens. I used to tell my son when he was little that we need to learn how to practice "the P word" (patience)...this has yet to play out to its end. There's still more hope than not that the "PP" will return my money (and Stacey's)...I'm not going to start accusing her of crimes until I'm certain a crime has been/will be committed. Right now, she appears to me to be more likely to be guilty of being inconsiderate and "difficult" than criminal...

 

[my4kids]

I have not read this whole thread, but did anyone else notice that the person with the current poster that I referred to on a previous post accidently linked herself to the Vogel thread ? It ws like she logged in under the wrong user name, then realized and logged in under a different user name and post the same comment? I found this by looking at her 3 whole posts.

 

[StaceySaulino]

I am so teary eyed at the generosity of the people on this board. I truely appreicate all the nice notes. Can't thank you all enough. I'm am still hoping for a resolution, and without getting the mods mad, I'm hoping something will break today. I will keep you all posted!

 

[robinb]

I am so teary eyed at the generosity of the people on this board. I truely appreicate all the nice notes. Can't thank you all enough. I'm am still hoping for a resolution, and without getting the mods mad, I'm hoping something will break today. I will keep you all posted!

Hey Stacey! Check your PMs (Private Messages). There should be a link in the upper right corner of this page.

 

[chris1gill]

I have not read this whole thread, but did anyone else notice that the person with the current poster that I referred to on a previous post accidently linked herself to the Vogel thread ? It ws like she logged in under the wrong user name, then realized and logged in under a different user name and post the same comment? I found this by looking at her 3 whole posts.

I noticed that inconsistency, but I thought the most recent poster was an additional "client" of the PP? Not the same person who started the other thread... the person that started the other thread seems to have completed their vacation successfully...

You know, I've rented out my points on occasion, and I was always so concerned for my renters, I made sure they knew how to contact me & I even gave them the dates I myself would be away & where I would be during those times so that they could contact me if they should need to... I think DVC owners run the gamut in this regard, but I think communication is just the absolute key to having a successful rental history....

 

[my4kids]

Nevermind - I am erasing this post due to the fact that I have no facts and received a lot of PM"S - Good luck to all.

 

[dumbo71]

I'm unsubscribing from this whole conversation. The more I look at the posts and previous posts (and post counts) of people involved here...somethings stinks and its not just the original situation. And any generous people who were looking at group resolution to the problem should do a little reading first.

Would you mind dropping me a pm if you dont want to disclose here? Not sure what you have found but I'd love to know.

OP it is just as I thought. Surprise, surprise no money. This should make everyone very cautious who they rent through. I've rented in the past (not on the Dis) and I went out of my way to be accomodating and make the rentee feel at ease. I, of course, used a clear cut contract that protects both parties. Renting really is a leap of faith on both ends. Best to go with someone who has a proven track record of satisfied customers.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you. Maybe a little more prodding from Doc is in order?

I wonder if JimMIA would recommend taking additional steps at this point?

Disclaimer: I know longer rent anywhere. Ity simply wasn't worth it to me any longer. I downsized my points FOR NOW. Darn that AKV!!!!!!!! With the recent rule changes people should really focus on what they will PERSONALLY use, point wise, IMO. I aklso see a real conflict of interests when someone posts and rents on the same board.

 

[chris1gill]

Disclaimer: I know longer rent anywhere. Ity simply wasn't worth it to me any longer. I downsized my points FOR NOW. Darn that AKV!!!!!!!! With the recent rule changes people should really focus on what they will PERSONALLY use, point wise, IMO.

Dumbo, our story is just as yours, we recently sold some of our points off as our vacationing habits have changed.... but darn that AKV... I will not buy points, I will not buy points.....

Back to the topic, sorry OP....

 

[Glorydaz]

to the OP's - hoping everything turns out in your favor , maybe the renter will see the error of her ways and make good asap...


Michelle

 

[twinklebug]

I think what's confusing is there seem to be 2 people who've rented who are having problems with 2 different renters, which may be the same person. In addition, this "owner" may have created multiple aliases and be attempting to rent to yet another person... or not. New people join the DIS every day and we can't be suspect of them all... it's not the Disney way

What I'm confused about is one situation is a straight foward rental gone bad while the other seems to be... correct me where I'm wrong... a rental from a non-owner (perhaps II? or ?) changing the name to the new renter.

All I can say is "Oh Flubber!" Must be time for coffee.
Editing... had my coffee... Stacy's situation is starting to make more sense, it's not II, but the transfer of name had confused me.

I really have nothing more to contribute to this thread (like I ever did? LOL) so I'm just going to wish both parties the best and cross my fingers for them.

 

[disneyokw]

I'm very, very sorry to hear about your misfortune. I have not read everyones response back to you, but for me personally I would go to a website like www.intellius.com to see who the phone number belongs too. I think it costs $14.95. Or something like US Search. There are so many search engines out there to track people. I have links at my home computer that have helped me in the past. You would not believe the information you can buy on someone. Their Even if it is a cell phone number they provide a name and possibly a town. Then you can search for this person. I personally would file a police report with the town she lives in. Find out from Western Union what they do with fraud. Maybe on their end they can investigate. Keep us posted. I am now going to read what everyone wrote to you. I truly hope you get your money back. And hopefully more money for pain and suffering.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

I've read both threads in their entirety and don't see anything strange other than it appears we have someone that rents out their aunt's points (who knows why!) that has developed a history of not being very reliable or forthcoming with information and is very difficult to contact. She has admitted to being financial unstable (probably why the points were rented in the first place) and seems to have backed herself into a corner by already spending the proceeds from DMKEDM's rental and now does not have the money to return. To get the funds, it looks like she rented the points to StaceySaulino (who has been extremely concerned given the facts revealed through the two threads going), and has made her situation even worse. I honestly don't feel the person involved is trying to cheat anyone. I think her life is just totally screwed up and she keeps digging her hole deeper, and deeper. In our efforts to help, we may have actually created even more problems for DMKEDM and StaceySaulino, by making the third party feel she has no where to turn. It is my hope that she will just contact all the parties involved and resolve the matter. There's still a chance Stacey's family could use the ressie, all they need is a confirmation with their name on it. If not, it might take a few months to refund all the money...but it needs to happen!

 

[dianeschlicht]

I've read both threads in their entirety and don't see anything strange other than it appears we have someone that rents out their aunt's points (who knows why!) that has developed a history of not being very reliable or forthcoming with information and is very difficult to contact. She has admitted to being financial unstable (probably why the points were rented in the first place) and seems to have backed herself into a corner by already spending the proceeds from DMKEDM's rental and now does not have the money to return. To get the funds, it looks like she rented the points to StaceySaulino (who has been extremely concerned given the facts revealed through the two threads going), and has made her situation even worse. I honestly don't feel the person involved is trying to cheat anyone. I think her life is just totally screwed up and she keeps digging her hole deeper, and deeper. In our efforts to help, we may have actually created even more problems for DMKEDM and StaceySaulino, by making the third party feel she has no where to turn. It is my hope that she will just contact all the parties involved and resolve the matter. There's still a chance Stacey's family could use the ressie, all they need is a confirmation with their name on it. If not, it might take a few months to refund all the money...but it needs to happen!

Very good post and one that should be heeded.

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

I've read through this whole thread and I don't see anything "stinky" about it except for the situation in general. I do think DMKEDM is right that coming down on the PP may end up being a more adverse situation than if she hadn't posted her story in the first place. DMKEDM is in a tough situation because the transaction involved was a transfer. All she can really do there is try to work through the situation...she can't work with disney on that one at all.

StaceySaulito's situation is also difficult because there wasn't any way to confirm her reservation even with the best of "landlords". Knowing that she was working with a difficult one had to make it even harder.

Ultimately though this is a "Buyer Beware" situation (or BB! ). I think at times the Disboards forgets that because of all the pixie dust floating around. There isn't anything the board monitors should do beyond banning the PP if she can't resolve her issues. Not enough time has elapsed in either instance to say anything more has gone wrong beyond really bad customer service. I think people are riled up to the degree they are because this is the internet. In dealing with renting from an individual one needs factor in the chance that stuff happens and maybe the transaction can't turn around with the speed a corporation delivers. You also need to realize you are gambling that the transaction wont happen at all.

 

[DisneyFunfor3]

Wow...just read all 14 pages....here's hoping for the best, but I do have one question. If the person who is causing some/all (how ever you want to view it) the problems is continuing to post and advertise her (or someone elses ) 200 points for rent, why isn't the moderator stopping her? Can she be banned?

I get that the Rent/Trade board is a convience, and it is always buyer beware, but, can't you call a spade a spade and say enough?

JMHO!