Rumor- New Second Island and 2 new Ships!

[mlayton14]

Very easily 100% could and is be made in the USA. Higher quality and not using what amounts to slave like labor. However if I remember correctly only a total 70 to 80 percent of the vessels needs to be built and/or made in the USA. These rules and laws vary in requirements from type vessel to type of vessel and project to project The Pride of America project was a small special program which was a confusing debacle from the start and got more confusing and more of a debacle as time went on.

You will also find many of the leading maritime nations of the world also have laws similar to the Jones act that protect their own nations vessels. Canada and Britain comes to mind right off.

Right now there are very few if any US vessels in lay up should the nation require them and those that are there, are 50 + years old, making them generally useless. If there isa national emergency we will have big transportation/supply issues.

The Jones act and related laws are designed to protect the American Merchant Marine and keep US flag commercial vessel around and available in case of national emergency's and war. Without them you could easily find only crews from some 3rd world countries, with minimum training running tugs and barges, vessels not only port to port along the US coast or inland, up rivers and in harbors. Yes some vessel are now running along the coast, but at least they are not operating independently inland.

US commercial yards are among the finest in the world , however foreign countries spend one heck of a lot more to subsidize the labor, yards and underwrite the bank loans, which make it very hard for Us yards to complete.

As long as US industry is competing unfairly on a uneven field, is very hard to match subsidized industries, labor and products from foreign sources. So the next time you buy foreign products, think that the job that maybe lost maybe be your own, down the line.

AKK

Great post !

 

[TXDCLfan]

Very easily 100% could and is be made in the USA. Higher quality and not using what amounts to slave like labor. However if I remember correctly only a total 70 to 80 percent of the vessels needs to be built and/or made in the USA. These rules and laws vary in requirements from type vessel to type of vessel and project to project The Pride of America project was a small special program which was a confusing debacle from the start and got more confusing and more of a debacle as time went on.

You will also find many of the leading maritime nations of the world also have laws similar to the Jones act that protect their own nations vessels. Canada and Britain comes to mind right off.

Right now there are very few if any US vessels in lay up should the nation require them and those that are there, are 50 + years old, making them generally useless. If there isa national emergency we will have big transportation/supply issues.

The Jones act and related laws are designed to protect the American Merchant Marine and keep US flag commercial vessel around and available in case of national emergency's and war. Without them you could easily find only crews from some 3rd world countries, with minimum training running tugs and barges, vessels not only port to port along the US coast or inland, up rivers and in harbors. Yes some vessel are now running along the coast, but at least they are not operating independently inland.
US commercial yards are among the finest in the world , however foreign countries spend one heck of a lot more to subsidize the labor, yards and underwrite the bank loans, which make it very hard for Us yards to complete.

As long as US industry is competing unfairly on a uneven field, is very hard to match subsidized industries, labor and products from foreign sources. So the next time you buy foreign products, think that the job that maybe lost maybe be your own, down the line.

AKK

Great info..thanks for posting.

 

[over50visits]

The actual wording from the DIS is actually a Second Caribbean Island. That would be ideal! I could definitely imagine a cruise sailing only to Disney Private Islands.

Ooooh...I likey!

 

[steveyjc81]

I always thought that the ships were built in Germany / Spain / Norway etc is because they are masters at that trade. Just look at cars, people choose Audis, Mercedes, BMWs etc as they are better engineered than cars built in many other countries?

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

I always thought that the ships were built in Germany / Spain / Norway etc is because they are masters at that trade. Just look at cars, people choose Audis, Mercedes, BMWs etc as they are better engineered than cars built in many other countries?

Yes Meyer wharf are very very good at building ships, another left today for NCL. The $\€ rate is good at the moment and the two new midsize ships " rumour" has been going around for about 12 months now.

Considering if they agreed a contract now they will not get the ships for five years, an announcement is overdue, but their priorities have been putting the cash into WDW the MK Fantasyland expansion and Animal Kingdom.

The expo continues we know Toy Story 4 is a love story, Woody and Bo Peep, let's see what else comes out.

 

[Plaid Princess]

I always thought that the ships were built in Germany / Spain / Norway etc is because they are masters at that trade. Just look at cars, people choose Audis, Mercedes, BMWs etc as they are better engineered than cars built in many other countries?

I'd argue that people purchase those types of cars more for appearance than anything, like buying a Louis Vuitton bag.

 

[Plaid Princess]

I'm keeping my dream of an Australian/New Zealand cruise alive!!!!

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

I'm keeping my dream of an Australian/New Zealand cruise alive!!!!

I think they would go to the Far East first.

 

[truck1]

I always thought that the ships were built in Germany / Spain / Norway etc is because they are masters at that trade. Just look at cars, people choose Audis, Mercedes, BMWs etc as they are better engineered than cars built in many other countries?

Not really. The main reason is money. It's cheaper over there with better loan parameters then the US. Its true some of the yards over in Europe have a very long and fabled existince. As do some of the yards in the US.

 

[Plaid Princess]

I think they would go to the Far East first.

I'd be fine with that too! The ports definitely need updating!

 

[truck1]

I'd be fine with that too! The ports definitely need updating!

I've been saying that for a while now. DCL is handcuffed by a lack of itinerary imagination. A lot of itins are doable. Just need DCL to think outside the box.

 

[RRB]

Big News from the D23 Expo but not Cruise Line news. Maybe tomorrow

 

[squirk]

Assuming there actually is island/ship news to report, I wonder if they're actually going to do it today. There is a combined ABD/DCL/DVC session tomorrow afternoon, but today is "Disney Parks & Resorts". I know that DCL technicall falls under P&R, but it'd be weird to make an announcement 24-hours before the scheduled DCL slot.

Of course, that might be just what they want us to think.

 

[Maggie'sMom]

I'll put money on the announcement being tomorrow. The Star Wars news is garnering the attention today.

 

[squirk]

Agreed. They need to pace themselves.

Today was a great day for this here Star Wars nerd.

 

[TestingH2O]

DH just said that he heard one whole ship would be Star Wars. That doesn't seem in line with the classic/sophisticated feel the rest of the line tries to maintain.

 

[RRB]

2 new themed lands plus 2 new ships and a new island?????? That is a very big commitment.

 

[squirk]

I think the two new lands themselves were far more than I expected. Star Wars Land was a given, as was the third Midway Mania track, but I didn't expect them to announce two new lands in HS simultaneously.

Just a leeeetle disappointed that Cars Land isn't coming to the East Coast.

 

[C6PT7]

Very easily 100% could and is be made in the USA. Higher quality and not using what amounts to slave like labor. However if I remember correctly only a total 70 to 80 percent of the vessels needs to be built and/or made in the USA. These rules and laws vary in requirements from type vessel to type of vessel and project to project The Pride of America project was a small special program which was a confusing debacle from the start and got more confusing and more of a debacle as time went on.

You will also find many of the leading maritime nations of the world also have laws similar to the Jones act that protect their own nations vessels. Canada and Britain comes to mind right off.

Right now there are very few if any US vessels in lay up should the nation require them and those that are there, are 50 + years old, making them generally useless. If there isa national emergency we will have big transportation/supply issues.

The Jones act and related laws are designed to protect the American Merchant Marine and keep US flag commercial vessel around and available in case of national emergency's and war. Without them you could easily find only crews from some 3rd world countries, with minimum training running tugs and barges, vessels not only port to port along the US coast or inland, up rivers and in harbors. Yes some vessel are now running along the coast, but at least they are not operating independently inland.

US commercial yards are among the finest in the world , however foreign countries spend one heck of a lot more to subsidize the labor, yards and underwrite the bank loans, which make it very hard for Us yards to complete.

As long as US industry is competing unfairly on a uneven field, is very hard to match subsidized industries, labor and products from foreign sources. So the next time you buy foreign products, think that the job that maybe lost maybe be your own, down the line.

AKK

Whilst i think you have understood my comment, i think you may have taken it too literally.
My point was could how much of a cruise ship could be 100% manufactured in the USA. At a reasonable cost.Obviously everything can be made in-house. but at what cost point? is it practical and economical? Probably not.
And as for easily, which shipyards do we currently have that have the facilities, infrastructure and workforce to build a dream sized ship for civilian use? Are there any non government or civilian ship yards that have that capability?
As to higher quality, well again, i'm sure Meyer Werft could produce a higher quality ship than the dream, but that costs more. It is a price point. i'm not sure what you mean by what amounts to slave like labor?
europe has labor laws too. i'm sure i'm misreading what you are saying?
i agree that project America was a debacle. There was no way they could produce that ship from what i've read. it was a disaster from start to finish. the lack of expertise and experience that they showed here but have in europe in spades only proves that? If the government were to back and subsidize a new cruise ship build, a proper size modern cruise ship, do you think it would come in on budget and on time? It is not like military vessels are launched without massive budget over-runs and delays.
The only legislation I can find regarding the British equivalent is the Navigation Acts which were abolished in 1849.

The UK, which imposed the first of the Navigation Acts to protect its ships from Dutch competition in the 17th century, abolished its equivalent of the Jones Act in 1849.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/024650d6-3f92-11e0-a1ba-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3ivNw0ekY
that and they are now required by european law to pay the minimum British wage to every employee on a ship sailing on a ship registered under their flag. Nothing about the ship being built in Britain though?
I get that as a past tanker mariner, you want to protect the rights of those workers and i agree with the principle of the Jones act, and it's relevance when it was passed. It is estimated that a US flagged vessel costs around 2.7 times the cost of a foreign flagged vessel.http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2012/10/jones-act.html
How does it apply or protect US workers in this day and age from a dcl cruise from for example out of PC, cruising to NY, then Boston, then Charleston and back? How does a cruise to no where harm our economy when there are no competitors offering that? Surely visiting only US ports, paying US port fees is better for us?
I've no doubt that US commercial yards are some of the finest in the world, with very skilled labor available for the industries and specific builds they work on, but unless they are competitive with the rest of the world, then they are only harming themselves by making them selves non runners in the market place, and the Jones act only adds another layer of a barrier to being competitive.Why can't the steel be sourced from overseas if it is cheaper, but cut, shaped and formed by US workers? If our steel is 50% more expensive than from another country, then buying abroad makes financial sense and we at least get to build cruise ships again? We cannot compete with building new engines that others have spent many years developing, so buy them and install them and maintain them, or do we design new ship engines from scratch and make them so over priced they are uncompetatove?
The fact we haven't been able to build and complete a cruise ship for over 50 years is a damning statement that whilst the Jones act had very good and true intentions when it was passed in 1920, it has to be updated to todays world IMO.

 

[C6PT7]

Assuming there actually is island/ship news to report, I wonder if they're actually going to do it today. There is a combined ABD/DCL/DVC session tomorrow afternoon, but today is "Disney Parks & Resorts". I know that DCL technicall falls under P&R, but it'd be weird to make an announcement 24-hours before the scheduled DCL slot.

Of course, that might be just what they want us to think.

The cynical side of me does wonder if the DIS only posted that as a draw to their website, FB and Twitter accounts to get hits and comments.