Rumor is REAL I eat crow!!!

[Jynohn]

I happen to prefer the DDE for the convenience of not keeping track of credits, and due to the fact that we usually eat two table service meals a day, skipping the third meal altogether, and very rarely eat counter service. So from my perspective, this change is a very good thing. I've been pretty disappointed by all the cutbacks in Disney dining (not serving bread with meals, making all the menus homogenous, etc.) so if this new price level means they will stop cutting back so much on quality, I'm all for it!

 

[NMW]

Like I always said if I was wrong I would say it and I did.

How many others would have the "STONES TO..







YES but our vioce is one they would listen too as "OWNERS"

I understand what you are saying, however DVC does not "own" the WDW travel company that offers the vacation packages. DVC negotiated with Disney to offer it's dining plan to DVC members. It is not DVC's plan. They didn't design it, nor do they run it. I'm not exactly sure what you want DVC to do.

 

[Simba's Mom]

Well, I said attractive to golfers. Not sure it is exactly a help although if your DH likes to be first off like my DH, it would be. The premium and platinum include unlimited golf including clubs, balls, shoes and of course cart. Lessons too.

Here is a link:http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/tickets/packageDetail?id=PackageDetailMYWPrem08Page


But it sounds as if only the basic and deluxe are DVC options. Of course I haven't read of anyone asking about the other two so who knows. But the premium is $150/person this year so it's not cheap either.

Thanks for this information. I never knew what it was before.

 

[DebbieB]

DVC members as a group don't have that much clout. The main thing Disney cares about is selling new memberships. This dining plan change is not going to affect people buying DVC, especially when DVC has nothing to do with it. They keep raising the price of new points and are selling as fast as they are building. What's the incentive for them to keep a money losing plan alive to satisfy current members? If you decide to sell, someone will be right there to buy it.

 

[DBorges]

DVC members as a group don't have that much clout. The main thing Disney cares about is selling new memberships. This dining plan change is not going to affect people buying DVC, especially when DVC has nothing to do with it. They keep raising the price of new points and are selling as fast as they are building. What's the incentive for them to keep a money losing plan alive to satisfy current members? If you decide to sell, someone will be right there to buy it.

SO we the Dvc members as a whole do not have any clout.

Interesting so people whom own a insrest in Disney have no ablity to make chages . How can that be if there are 150000 members all complaning about the same thing I think Disney as a whole would listen

Maybe if they only had 100 members Disney would not listen

 

[medalla74]

So, if I understand this correctly, the 2008 DDP ( no tip included) does not affect the DDP families that like to eat at buffets for breakfast and dinner??

 

[salmoneous]

So, if I understand this correctly, the 2008 DDP ( no tip included) does not affect the DDP families that like to eat at buffets for breakfast and dinner??

The 2008 plan is still worse than the 2007 plan because it doesn't include tips. Tips at a buffet are going to cost you more than the $1 they lowered the price. Plus, you've lost the convenience of having everything prepaid - you have to worry about having money for the tips.

But the buffet eaters didn't lose nearly as much as the folks who lost appetizers.

 

[Inkmahm]

Yes, you can arrange your meals however you like.

But you get 3/night not per day. So you could do a signature on arrival night and breakfast on departure day for instance.

Thanks for the info! I'll have to do some checking of numbers, but it might work when we have just me and DH on a trip.

 

[CarolA]

SO we the Dvc members as a whole do not have any clout.

Interesting so people whom own a insrest in Disney have no ablity to make chages . How can that be if there are 150000 members all complaning about the same thing I think Disney as a whole would listen

Maybe if they only had 100 members Disney would not listen

Well if you can ever get all of us to agree MAYBE you would would be right, but even on this thread (where I expected to get flamed) I see folks agree with me, this change is not all bad and that group isn't going to complain.

We do NOT have the clout you think we do. We probably have LESS clout they the resort guests. We have already FORKED over our money to Disney, they have it, they don't have to worry about getting us to stay there vs. Universal.....

 

[JCW]

(Personally I am considering writing and congratulating Disney. Maybe you won't have to make dinner reservations 6 months in advance if they quit giving away food!!!)

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe there will be some more availability for walk-ins. We always just plan 2 or 3 meals of the trip and then 'hope for the best' for others. We are not planners and don't like to have to make ADR's for all of our meals. Last trip in May of 2006 we couldn't get a walk in anywhere. It was very frustrating. Hopefully with these changes there will be a better balance in restaurant availability.

 

[Inkmahm]

I crunched the numbers using our April trip for DH and me. We'd have used 15 TS credits each in our 5 night stay-perfect! I figured out the cost without tip of what we spent (a little estimating involved but not much) and came to $699 (honest!) compared to the $700 it would cost in 2008 using the deluxe plan.

The $699 had a couple glasses of wine included which would not be covered. The 2008 DP would also include two snacks per day and the refill mug so I figure that offsets the wine.

We will be there in December using the DDE card for a family reunion but I plan to track what our costs are for just DH and me so that I can decide for April 2008 whether to use the deluxe plan or not. Right now I'm leaning towards "not" because we are taking my mom, sister and 10 year old niece along. I don't really think it will cost me $350 per day to feed the five of us.

 

[Sammie]

Sure DVC members can have as much clout as any other Disney guest, but numbers speak to Disney, not who is doing the speaking.

If enough guests complain regardless of whether they are DVC or not, then Yes changes might occur.

But personally I don't see that happening. I don't care they changed, I won't be complaining and I imagine many others do not care either.

However as someone was trying to point out, if you are going to complain, contacting DVC over a nonDVC issue is a waste of your time.

Go to DisneyWorld.com and click on Contact Us and complain there.

 

[soonertxmickey]

So in a nut shell. As I have it.
+ One dollar less on sale price.
- lose the appetizer at TS
- Have to pay auto 18% tip at TS.

As long as you keep it basic. It's not that bad,
As I recall my meals(2 adults, 2 kids) are about $80-90.
That adds about $15-16/day.

The Deluxe is out of my league, but may be for those platinum families.

Obviously we all would like to get more now that we are "home" but, Disney is all about profit and this small step will eventually be forgotten and we will gladly give them our $$$ to see the mouse.

 

[pogopossum]

i think that voicing one's opinion is certainly a valid way to approach this. but as in most bottom line matters, and this is certainly a bottom line matter to disney, the real way to affect change is pocketbook voting. if enough people decide that it is just not worth it and don't buy ddp, then they will lose money and reassess their decision.

as far as tipping the servers goes, i'm sure that they were doing much better with the guaranteed 18% than what they are going to get now. the service was excellent at every ts meal we had in dec, even though they knew in advance what they were going to get. based on what a server on the magic told us one cruise, i'm betting that now they will get minimal or possibly no tip from some guests. she told us that more people than you believe skip the last night's dinner to avoid tipping on the cruise.

dw has already decided that we will vote no on this and not be doing the ddp, again, and i have to say that that is ok with me. it was nice, but we ate at 4 restaurants that we wouldn't have eaten at otherwise. unlike many of you we do not use ts much when we are at wdw, definitely not two to three times a day. cs or qs was just fine for our schedule.

 

[CarnotaurDad]

Maybe I'm more of a realist, but I am assuming that Disney changed everything because they were losing money on the original DDP. As someone who enjoys Disney, and what they provide, as much as I want a bargain, I would much rather they cut back DDP then cut back on shows, CMs, etc.

Personally, I have nothing to complain about. Was it great to get app, entree, dessert, etc? Heck, yeah. But that was great for ME (and my family).

Was it great for Disney in the long run? Probably not. We all have seen on the boards enough to know people where working the system (and probably still will).

Either the plan works for you or it doesn't. I have nothing to complain about whatsoever. JMHO. YMMV.

 

[fishermouse]

Yep they did do the ddp changes but good news for DVC members we can buy any tier of it..

To all the people whom I posted its rumor .I have this too say I was wrong it is not not it is in writting and official.
BUt it is not set in stone and is subject too change if enough of us voice displeasure over the newDDp I for one have contacted member satifaction team at DVC and put it in writting..

Let Mr John Garcia Know we do not like it ..

You know what they say the squeekey wheel gets the grease..

Once again Sorry about the Rumor Stuff!!!!!!!!

Have to disagree on two counts, first you were not wrong just because arumor ends up being correct it is still just a rumor until confirmed. CRV is still a rumor although it seems pretty likely it will happen, so don't kick yourself 99% of the rumors on this board turn out to be false.
Second writing to DVC will probably have no effect, they get the price increase and terms from WDW dining. I doubt if DVC makes any profit off it and would give it to us for free if they could. Personally I never used it we're just not real big eaters and like to dine out of WDW now and then.

 

[canwegosoon]

So in a nut shell. As I have it.
+ One dollar less on sale price.
- lose the appetizer at TS
- Have to pay auto 18% tip at TS.

As long as you keep it basic. It's not that bad,
As I recall my meals(2 adults, 2 kids) are about $80-90.
That adds about $15-16/day.

The Deluxe is out of my league, but may be for those platinum families.

Obviously we all would like to get more now that we are "home" but, Disney is all about profit and this small step will eventually be forgotten and we will gladly give them our $$$ to see the mouse.

Let's also not forget about the creeping price increases...it seemed to me everytime I turned around last year there was a price increase menus,tickets, cutback on kids, menu increases again, and eliminating bread at MM...
What each of us does is due to our touring/family styles...I am glad there seems to be more options, but not sure if I personally will continue with DDP...I need to run the numbers. Perhaps the numbers will lead me from a stuido to a 1brdm and do more cooking....

 

[Chuck S]

SO we the Dvc members as a whole do not have any clout.

Interesting so people whom own a insrest in Disney have no ablity to make chages . How can that be if there are 150000 members all complaning about the same thing I think Disney as a whole would listen

Maybe if they only had 100 members Disney would not listen

In reality:

DVC members don't OWN an interest in Disney. They own an interest in a timeshare located on leased property OWNED by Disney.

Stockholders OWN an interest in Disney, and they don't receive ANY perks or discounts whatsoever. And there are a lot more stockholders than there are DVC members.

 

[Granny]

SO we the Dvc members as a whole do not have any clout.

Interesting so people whom own a insrest in Disney have no ablity to make chages . How can that be if there are 150000 members all complaning about the same thing I think Disney as a whole would listen

I think you erroneously assume that all DVC owners think the DDP is a good thing in general. I know of at least one who doesn't care for it at all.

 

[Snookies]

I think you erroneously assume that all DVC owners think the DDP is a good thing in general. I know of at least one who doesn't care for it at all.

Make that two.

Have to disagree on two counts, first you were not wrong just because arumor ends up being correct it is still just a rumor until confirmed. CRV is still a rumor although it seems pretty likely it will happen, so don't kick yourself 99% of the rumors on this board turn out to be false.
Second writing to DVC will probably have no effect, they get the price increase and terms from WDW dining. I doubt if DVC makes any profit off it and would give it to us for free if they could. Personally I never used it we're just not real big eaters and like to dine out of WDW now and then.

The last sentence in fishermouse's post explains why for us. Like fishermouse, we're not real big eaters. Even if we were tempted to buy DDP, we spend too much time off-property for it to be a good idea for us. However, since many use the DDP, members having the option to purchase is a nice perk.