Ruling in Dover ID Case

[POB14]

Science 1, "Intelligent Design" 0.

Yahoo News article

From the remarkably well-thought-out and well-written opinion :

In summary, the disclaimer singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource, and instructs students to forego scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere.

Nice job, Judge Jones.

 

[2funny2c]

Just amazing that the "religion" of evolution can be taught in schools but ID can not. Make no mistake about it, for many evolution is their "religion" which they have built their entire belief system upon. Many of these naturalists worship at the altar of Darwin. Evolution with its many holes, misinformation and down right lies, takes as much faith to believe in as does for one to believe that teh world was a result of intelligent design.

 

[BelleMcNally]

Altar of Darwin sounds like a great name for a rock band!!

 

[FencerMcNally]

Evolution with its many holes, misinformation and down right lies, takes as much faith to believe in as does for one to believe that teh world was a result of intelligent design.

2funny2c, perhaps you should stop addressing things about which you know nothing.

 

[JCJRSmith]

Just amazing that the "religion" of evolution can be taught in schools but ID can not. Make no mistake about it, for many evolution is their "religion" which they have built their entire belief system upon. Many of these naturalists worship at the altar of Darwin. Evolution with its many holes, misinformation and down right lies, takes as much faith to believe in as does for one to believe that teh world was a result of intelligent design.

Can you post any citations or links to prove your point?

 

[LeCras]

*grabs some popcorn*

Oh boy, this ought to be good...

Charlotte

 

[scubamouse]

there is hope for America after all!

And to think he's a Bush appointee

I saw an interesting statement in the past week or so on this issue. I think it was a letter to Newsweek but don't hold me to that. Anyway, the writer didn't think faith and evolution were mutually exclusive. For her evolution explained what happened and religion explained why. Made sense to me but I'm sure the ID crowd will be here soon to disagree

 

[2funny2c]

2funny2c, perhaps you should stop addressing things about which you know nothing.

Evolution is a theory with many holes in it. Science textbooks used in the schools today to teach evolution have fabricated evidence in them in the form of diagrams and pictures. These experiments in evolution are often staged and the results are manipulated.

Evolution is at the core of many people's belief system and is a religion for many scientists that takes faith to fill in the holes and gaps that exist.

 

[Horizons16]

What I think is amazing...

The fact that from years 0-1859, the church ruled over the thoughts of people and how they came about. Then when Darwin pubished "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" People's ideas just totally went nuts.

I think its amazing that even today after Scopes, Dover has some of the same troubles. Its just mind boggling that 2005 years after year 0 people are still having troubling accepting this theory. ( Theory not fact )

Im not arguing for ID, Creationism, Genesisism, whatever you want to call. I also do not want to argue against it. I dont feel as though a message board is really the correct place to do this.

At an rate personally Creationism, as well as Darwinism should be taught in schools. How can you have a well rounded eduation when you have teachers/professors saying that man has come from an ape. It should be presented as 2 seperat theories.

Thats just my 2 cents.

 

[JCJRSmith]

Evolution is a theory with many holes in it. Science textbooks used in the schools today to teach evolution have fabricated evidence in them in the form of diagrams and pictures. These experiments in evolution are often staged and the results are manipulated.

Unless you can cite references to back up your claims, your OPINIONS are not facts.

 

[Galahad]

I saw an interesting statement in the past week or so on this issue. I think it was a letter to Newsweek but don't hold me to that. Anyway, the writer didn't think faith and evolution were mutually exclusive. For her evolution explained what happened and religion explained why. Made sense to me but I'm sure the ID crowd will be here soon to disagree

Yep, that pretty much expresses it well. Deb and others are right. The why and perhaps "who" are not subjects for a science class.

edited for spelling

 

[JCJRSmith]

At an rate personally Creationism, as well as Darwinism should be taught in schools. How can you have a well rounded eduation when you have teachers/professors saying that man has come from an ape. It should be presented as 2 seperat theories.

Thats just my 2 cents.

Which version of Creationism gets taught then? The Catholic version (after all they were the "first" Christian religion)? The Lutheran? The Jewish? The Moslem? The Hindu? The Flying Spaghetti Monster version? It comes down to this: since public schools are funded with public money, and if I belong to religion "A" and you belong to religion "B", why should your tax dollars go to support an education based on beliefs from my reiligion, which may be at odds with your religion?

 

[2funny2c]

Unless you can cite references to back up your claims, your OPINIONS are not facts.

Check out the book by Nancy Pearcey, Total Truth. Also check out Phillip JOhnson's treatment on the subject.

(ex) Photographs of peppered moths naturally camouflaged while at rest upon tree trunks as evidence for natural selection. (crit) Biologists have known since the 1980's that peppered moths don't normally rest on tree trunks. The photographs found in the textbooks were staged using dead moths glued to tree trunks. (Jonathan Wells, Ph.D., "Second Thoughts about Peppered Moths," 1999:

http://www.arn.org/docs/wells/jw_pepmoth.htm

One example. But of course you will say it comes from a biased source and around and around we will go. But this is one example how so called evolution evidence has been doctored but yet still appears in many textbooks today

 

[bicker]

Actually, we have courts to determine what the facts are. The court has determined that ID is mascarading as science, not really science. Seems like that's that except for the baseless equivocations.

 

[can'twait]

OK, I'll give you that evolution is a theory because none of us were there to witness it any more than we were there to witness the Creation as spelled out by the old testament, but ID is a theory based on religious beliefs, and that is way different than a theory based on scientific research. Science theory should be taught in science class, not religious theory.

 

[Horizons16]

Which version of Creationism gets taught then? The Catholic version (after all they were the "first" Christian religion)? The Lutheran? The Jewish? The Moslem? The Hindu? The Flying Spaghetti Monster version? It comes down to this: since public schools are funded with public money, and if I belong to religion "A" and you belong to religion "B", why should your tax dollars go to support an education based on beliefs from my reiligion, which may be at odds with your religion?

There doesnt have to be a specific version that needs to be taught. All believe in a higher being(s) that create the world.

 

[2funny2c]

OK, I'll give you that evolution is a theory because none of us were there to witness it any more than we were there to witness the Creation as spelled out by the old testament, but ID is a theory based on religious beliefs, and that is way different than a theory based on scientific research. Science theory should be taught in science class, not religious theory.

See, but that is in essence what evolution is to many people: religious theory. Evolution IS their religion.

 

[JCJRSmith]

There doesnt have to be a specific version that needs to be taught. All believe in a higher being(s) that create the world.

You may want to look up the definition of "atheist"

 

[FencerMcNally]

Evolution is a theory with many holes in it.

I reiterate:

2funny2c, perhaps you should stop addressing things about which you know nothing.

You seem to have absolutely no idea what a theory is. I suggest you refer to your nearest dictionary for the definition of a scientific theory.

We have other theories besides Evolution, some with more evidence to support them, some with less.

How about the Theory of Gravity? You do believe in Gravity, don't you?
How about the Theory of Relativity? You do believe in the atomic bomb, don't you?

 

[can'twait]

See, but that is in essence what evolution is to many people: religious theory. Evolution IS their religion.

I dunno, I would think that would make science their religion. JMHO.