Rude Chefs de France Manager

VLee

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Our first visit to Chefs de France started out wonderful, with the waiter being courteous and the food very delicious. However, our problem was with getting our bill and tip straightened out and being treated rudely by the manager. Here is how our visit went:

We were using the Dining Plan for the Candlelight package. Our reservation was at 3:50 for the 6:45 Candlelight Processional. We arrived 5 minutes early and waited until almost 4:15 to get seated. That was okay.

We wanted appetizers and knew they were not included on the Dining Plan, so I told the waiter upfront that we would be paying cash for the appetizers and putting that expense on the Tables in Wonderland Card for the 20% discount. He began to tell me that we could not do that. I explained to him that we were able to do that and had done so at several restaurants and thought he understood. The meal was very good, even though the time between the entree and the dessert seemed slow.
I had hoped to be in line by 6:15 for the 6:45 show and even though the walk is not that long from France to America, I have to allow twice the amount of time for my mother, who is 81 to walk.

When I gave him my cards, I reminded him of paying cash for just the appetizers, but when he brought the tickets, I noticed that the appetizers were included in with the rest and the "suggested tips of 18 and 20%" were based on all items. I knew this might create a problem, since the 18% tip is automatically figured in on TIW card when they break it out, and was trying to refigure the tip, taking the appetizer expense out. The waiter noticed this and told me there was no need to figure the tip, that I HAD to leave either the 18 or 20% tip. I knew this was wrong information--that you have an option to leave whatever tip you wanted, but seeing the time was getting short, I wrote in an 18% tip (including the appetizers) and asked him to please hurry back.

When he finally returned, he brought me an additional ticket for the appetizers with another 18% tip added in. I told him that I had already paid an 18% tip on the entire meal, and asked how he was going to remove the second tip that was added on.

He said he would talk to a manager and then never came back. I saw a manager up front and asked him about our waiter trying to straighten out a ticket and the long wait we were having. He confirmed that he knew about the problem, but another manager was working with it. When I expressed our concern over the time it was taking and the time needed for my mother to walk to it, he then told me that "perhaps I could take her piggyback" to the show.

I am sorry, but this was the last thing I needed to hear and thought it was highly unprofessional and rude of a manager. After that, the manager obviously ignored looking our way, and again we waited and waited. I stood up by my table for a minute or two, then was on my way to find someone again, when the waiter reappeared. He had done nothing to the ticket and I was telling him that it was wrong and was not about to double tip, when I was told what to tip in the first place and went along with that. I told him that we had booked at that restaurant so that we would have a seat for the show and now it was approaching 6:30 and I didn't know that my mother could make the walk in time and told him to do whatever he had to do to just get it fixed. Then another manager came out and I explained to him about the double charge, which he seemed to understand, but instead of fixing my ticket, he said he would just "pay" me from his own pocket what I had been overcharged for. And pulled out money and gave me.

I left without a ticket at all in all the hassle and we rushed to the CP and ended up with a seat, but at the back and side of the seats. IF I had had more time, I would not have left until they fixed the ticket.

I can not get over a manager telling me to take my mother piggyback!!!
 
I have found that any restaurant not owned by disney does its own thing. They do not "get " or pretend not to "get " the DDP and act as though tipping on parties of less than 6 is not based on your discretion, and if it was great then 18% should have been fine. They often make it more of a hassle to use the TIW card withthe DDP as well. Once the auto grat stuff is on in one form or another the system seems to add it to everything. We found this when the DDP automatically added 18% but the old DDE card did not, yet we were charged the 18% auto grat on the DDE (this was easily 5 years ago) Sorry this happened to you.
 
We wanted appetizers and knew they were not included on the Dining Plan, so I told the waiter upfront that we would be paying cash for the appetizers and putting that expense on the Tables in Wonderland Card for the 20% discount. He began to tell me that we could not do that. I explained to him that we were able to do that and had done so at several restaurants and thought he understood. The meal was very good, even though the time between the entree and the dessert seemed slow.


When I gave him my cards, I reminded him of paying cash for just the appetizers, but when he brought the tickets, I noticed that the appetizers were included in with the rest and the "suggested tips of 18 and 20%" were based on all items. I knew this might create a problem, since the 18% tip is automatically figured in on TIW card when they break it out, and was trying to refigure the tip, taking the appetizer expense out. The waiter noticed this and told me there was no need to figure the tip, that I HAD to leave either the 18 or 20% tip. I knew this was wrong information--that you have an option to leave whatever tip you wanted, but seeing the time was getting short, I wrote in an 18% tip (including the appetizers) and asked him to please hurry back.

When he finally returned, he brought me an additional ticket for the appetizers with another 18% tip added in. I told him that I had already paid an 18% tip on the entire meal, and asked how he was going to remove the second tip that was added on.

He said he would talk to a manager and then never came back.

I left without a ticket at all in all the hassle and we rushed to the CP and ended up with a seat, but at the back and side of the seats. IF I had had more time, I would not have left until they fixed the ticket.

I am a waiter. I always find this attitude from waiters especially at Disney, where at many places you are already paying more than it's worth for the food! This happened to us ONCE. The solution is a pain, but fail safe. It means paying your tip in cash. When getting the bill for the dinner, we write cash on the line. then we get the bill for the extras and we use our credit card for that. If there is any tip figured in, (such as sometimes is, due to using the DDE card), we deduct that amount from the cash we're leaving!

It is a pain to carry the cash with you, but less of a pain than arguing with waiters and managers that just don't care.

Sorry that you had such a rude encounter.

Karen
 

OP, what night did this occur? We went to Chefs on Monday 12/8 for CP and it was absolutely perfect. We had another ADR for Friday 12/12 and it was a disaster. The computer system went down, they appeared to be overbooked and understaffed. I can't believe the difference in service between the 2 dinners.
 
I have never had a problem at Les Chefs.Sorry you had such an awful time.I don't think he should have said what he did, but maybe he thought he was being funny? sometimes humor does not translate well culturally.At any rate ,sorry it was so awful for you.
 
We were at Chefs on Wed. Dec. 10 for a CP dinner package and had a very positive experience. I was prepared for the fact that our TIW card would not apply to the CP dinner package, but it did. They also gave us the TIW discount for the bottle of wine that we bought. We really enjoyed our dinner and the service and we will return. I'm very sorry that the OP had such a bad dinner experience, but if the CP was as good as the one we saw last Wednesday I hope that it helped make it a better evening.
 
So how does one know which restaurants Disney owns??? Thanks.

Almost all of the restaurants in Epcot's pavilions are owned and operated by outside vendors. In the case of Chefs de France, the owners are Paul Bocuse, Roger Verge and Gaston LeNotre.

But even though these restaurants are not owned by Walt Disney World, they must adhere to Disney's standards. Something broke down in this situation. I have to agree with another poster that the manager was obviously making a lame attempt at humor that fell flat. To think he was being intentionally rude or snide would be unfortunate.
Scott
www.scottjosephorlando.com
 
Almost all of the restaurants in Epcot's pavilions are owned and operated by outside vendors. In the case of Chefs de France, the owners are Paul Bocuse, Roger Verge and Gaston LeNotre.

But even though these restaurants are not owned by Walt Disney World, they must adhere to Disney's standards. Something broke down in this situation. I have to agree with another poster that the manager was obviously making a lame attempt at humor that fell flat. To think he was being intentionally rude or snide would be unfortunate.
Scott
www.scottjosephorlando.com

It simply was not the time for humor though. The OP had already spent enought time trying to straighten this out between 1 waiter and 2 managers. Saying that about a kid maybe could pass for a tension breaker but not when talking about a 81 yr old woman. And after this lame 'joke' he still did not help the OP!
 
It simply was not the time for humor though. The OP had already spent enought time trying to straighten this out between 1 waiter and 2 managers. Saying that about a kid maybe could pass for a tension breaker but not when talking about a 81 yr old woman. And after this lame 'joke' he still did not help the OP!

Like I said in my pp, humor sometimes does not translate well cuturally.As an American I can tell you that some of the things we find humorous here, simply is not funny in other countries and vice versa.Does it excuse the poor service? No.I agree he should not have said it.I have to hope it was meant as a poor attempt at a joke, and not really as a rude as it sounded.
 
Like I said in my pp, humor sometimes does not translate well cuturally.As an American I can tell you that some of the things we find humorous here, simply is not funny in other countries and vice versa.Does it excuse the poor service? No.I agree he should not have said it.I have to hope it was meant as a poor attempt at a joke, and not really as a rude as it sounded.

I agree. I believe that I know the gentleman in question, as well as his personal style, and if this is him then it was an attempt at humour.

I also strongly agree about cultural differences in humour - witness this website and what I find inappropriate but which is considered humourous to many.
 
If the manager was French, I can hear his comment as a joke which other French people would find humorous, but obviously an American in a rush would not appreciate.

I spent six months living in France and going to school there while I was in college, and it really seems like a typical French joke that gets lost in translation.

I'm not excusing the long wait you had by any means; I would have been irritated too.

I know when we had lunch there in August, the DDP we were using caused a slight bit of confusion for our server (she tried though and did get it right eventually, but we had to wait a long time for that). But I do think the "piggyback" comment was not meant as anything more than a joke, and I'd try not to think too much about it.

Jokes do not translate well.
 
I did not realize that you could use the TIW discount with packages like the CP package. I actually thought you couldn't technically use it with the DDP at all but what do I know.

Sorry that you had bad service. Did you not have cash that you could have tipped with? Seems like that would have solved the problem from the start. It's certainly not your fault though.

I agree with several others that the "piggyback" comment was simply a joke, not meant to be an insult. I can see how it would feel differently at the time, though.
 
I can see where lots of you are coming from, but there is a time for humor and this certainly was not that time. After telling me that I could take my mother piggyback, the manager made absolutely no attempt to try to resolve my problem. In fact, he went about his business and it was very obvious that he avoided even looking in my direction.

And yes, I have used cash before for tips and should have this time. It wasn't until I had written in the 18% tip (that he said I MUST give) that this began to turn into a nightmare.

The suggestion to write "cash" in was a good one and this experience will certainly persuade me to use cash again in the future. I do not understand why the TIW card combined with the DDP seems to present such a problem at a restaurant. It seems as though they should just be able to present you with 2 different bills from the start--one for the DDP and one for the extras on the TIW card.

When planning our times, I thought I was allowing plenty of time to dine and walk my mother leisurely to the Candlelight Processional. Reservation time was 3:50 pm; we left the restaurant about 6:35!
 
Sorry that happened.

I never knew that the restaurants were not owned by Disney.
 
I can see where lots of you are coming from, but there is a time for humor and this certainly was not that time. After telling me that I could take my mother piggyback, the manager made absolutely no attempt to try to resolve my problem. In fact, he went about his business and it was very obvious that he avoided even looking in my direction.

And yes, I have used cash before for tips and should have this time. It wasn't until I had written in the 18% tip (that he said I MUST give) that this began to turn into a nightmare.

The suggestion to write "cash" in was a good one and this experience will certainly persuade me to use cash again in the future. I do not understand why the TIW card combined with the DDP seems to present such a problem at a restaurant. It seems as though they should just be able to present you with 2 different bills from the start--one for the DDP and one for the extras on the TIW card.

When planning our times, I thought I was allowing plenty of time to dine and walk my mother leisurely to the Candlelight Processional. Reservation time was 3:50 pm; we left the restaurant about 6:35!
Perhaps a complaint to WDW may help.We are a good sounding board here but not a whole lot we can do.You are obiously upset about this, as you should be.
 
OP, what night did this occur? We went to Chefs on Monday 12/8 for CP and it was absolutely perfect. We had another ADR for Friday 12/12 and it was a disaster. The computer system went down, they appeared to be overbooked and understaffed. I can't believe the difference in service between the 2 dinners.

We ate at Chefs with the CP on 12/12 also, and it was horrible. We'll never go back.
 
Almost all of the restaurants in Epcot's pavilions are owned and operated by outside vendors. In the case of Chefs de France, the owners are Paul Bocuse, Roger Verge and Gaston LeNotre.

Well, there's the problem. Gaston owns the restaurant. :eek:

Sorry, just kidding. The treatment you received was unacceptable and I would have been upset, too.
 
Yes, I thought about contacting the Customer Relations Department. I actually had done that once with poor service at Spoodles about 17 months ago, but was afraid they would just think it was me, as the previous incident at Spoodles was only 17 months ago.

But I have been to WDW 6 times in the last year and was on the DDP for four of those trips, so I have had plenty of good experience and a couple of really bad ones.
 
American humor....French humor......whatever
This server was so out of line and so disrespectful, please contact Disney and let them know what he said. He has been taught how to behave and he really needs to go back to training.
 












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