ROTR Boarding group issues resolution thoughts

[Heather07438]

Like @EmJ said, it’s about a sense of control...

That's the big problem. It's hard to get around the psychological loss of control after investing time/money specifically to experience RoR. When BGs are open 5-10 minutes there's not too much of an issue because people at ropedrop are getting a BG (or very low number back-up at worst). The lost control issue is when BGs are gone 1-2 minutes, which commonly happens.

Not sure but maybe WDW/DL could put a filter where second attempts after initial failure gain priority in the system. That would effect other things a tad but I think the good could potentially outweigh the bad.

 

[Malcon10t]

Not sure but maybe WDW/DL could put a filter where second attempts after initial failure gain priority in the system. That would effect other things a tad but I think the good could potentially outweigh the bad.

This would be nice, BUT most "initial failures" occur at the phone/user level, so the DL system wouldn't be aware there was a failure.

 

[EmJ]

That's the big problem. It's hard to get around the psychological loss of control after investing time/money specifically to experience RoR. When BGs are open 5-10 minutes there's not too much of an issue because people at ropedrop are getting a BG (or very low number back-up at worst). The lost control issue is when BGs are gone 1-2 minutes, which commonly happens.

Not sure but maybe WDW/DL could put a filter where second attempts after initial failure gain priority in the system. That would effect other things a tad but I think the good could potentially outweigh the bad.

The reality is that someone investing in a DL vacation specifically to experience ROTR probably needs to postpone their trip until at least 2021. The loss of control experienced by Boarding Groups is mostly just perceived. Someone spending their vacation days and dollars just to see ROTR isn't going to be any happier to get there, wait in a six hour line, have the ride break down, and go home empty handed anyway. There is nothing Disney can do to guarantee anyone a ride on ROTR, unless maybe your last name is Iger

 

[Elvis Glazier]

In my opinion, the boarding group system is a complete failure. There needs to be an off-site and in advance system to let people know if they are going to be on the ride or not.

Ideally, a potion of BG could be allowed 60 days out for resort guests, another portion at 30 days, and then the rest first come first serve.

The play the lottery system is set up right now really isn't fair to people who are doing once-in-a-lifetime trips. it really only benefits those of us who go to Disney all the time or have annual passes. If they want to keep the lottery system as is they should enable it so you can know the evening before and let families make plans.

Also, the current system is borderline draconian for people with disabilities. When I say borderline I I am being kind with my words. There is no DAS system in place yet

I think that Disney needs to reduce people's expectations. Call this a soft opening because the ride isn't really open until it becomes part of the regular fastpass system.

 

[Malcon10t]

Also, the current system is borderline draconian for people with disabilities. When I say borderline I I am being kind with my words. There is no DAS system in place yet

ADA says equal, not better. DAS can still get a BG just like everyone else. The line is HA. If the person has other issues, once their BG is called, they go to the umbrellas, and get a return time to go thru the future FP queue.

No system is going to be great for everyone. But this system is better than alternatives.

I do agree, this is more of a soft opening. Perhaps they should have limited the soft opening to APs only as they have previously for other rides? Would that have been better? I don't think so, but I think the majority of people ARE looking at this as a soft opening until the ramp up finishes.

 

[Gaugersaurus]

The play the lottery system is set up right now really isn't fair to people who are doing once-in-a-lifetime trips. it really only benefits those of us who go to Disney all the time or have annual passes. If they want to keep the lottery system as is they should enable it so you can know the evening before and let families make plans.

It's actually a first come first served it just appears to be a lottery because of how quickly BGs go.

Also, the current system is borderline draconian for people with disabilities. When I say borderline I I am being kind with my words. There is no DAS system in place yet

If you can get a BG DAS is accomodated it's one of the FAQ points on the superthread

I think that Disney needs to reduce people's expectations. Call this a soft opening because the ride isn't really open until it becomes part of the regular fastpass system.

By this logic theres a lot of rides that are not really open yet as they're not part of the regular fastpass system (pirates, peter pan, jungle cruise, etc.)

 

[PaladinButters]

Planning extra attempts can gain an edge.

Let's say that it really is a coin flip right now and we have a 50/50 chance. On 2 attempts, we have 75% chance of riding at least once. On 3 attempts, we stand an 87.5% (or 7 in 8) chance at riding on at least once and a 12.5% (1in 8) chance of failure.

That's not really how coin flips work. It's a 50/50 chance every time no matter how many times you flip it - so you can't increase your odds of winning by going more times, just your personal attempts at winning once with those same odds.

 

[Weedy]

So much winning. Life’s not fair.
And the people that say I don’t want to get up early. Tough!!

 

[Gaugersaurus]

That's not really how coin flips work. It's a 50/50 chance every time no matter how many times you flip it - so you can't increase your odds of winning by going more times, just your personal attempts at winning once with those same odds.

While the chance of the event happening in each instance doesn't change the probability of the outcome you want to occur at least increases the more times you try.

 

[Elvis Glazier]

ADA says equal, not better. DAS can still get a BG just like everyone else.

Please never say these words again. I'm sure you are a very nice person and your reply was well intentioned but your words are completely insensitive to people with disabilities and families travelling people disabilities.

There is no system that could ever be put in place that would make things equal for many people living with disabilities.

Disney has always been very accommodating for people with disabilities and families travelling with people with disabilities. I have witnessed this so many times over the years. There are times when they fail as well. Rise of the resistance is one of those times and there is no excuse.

 

[Skyegirl1999]

Please never say these words again. I'm sure you are a very nice person and your reply was well intentioned but your words are completely insensitive to people with disabilities and families travelling people disabilities.

There is no system that could ever be put in place that would make things equal for many people living with disabilities.

Disney has always been very accommodating for people with disabilities and families travelling with people with disabilities. I have witnessed this so many times over the years. There are times when they fail as well. Rise of the resistance is one of those times and there is no excuse.

@Malcon10t talks a lot about visiting the parks in a WC/ECV (not sure which?)... but you’re preaching to the choir, I think.

 

[Malcon10t]

@Malcon10t talks a lot about visiting the parks in a WC/ECV (not sure which?)... but you’re preaching to the choir, I think.

Yes, and I have a daughter who is autistic. And a daughter who is hearing impaired. I use an ECV.

 

[Skyegirl1999]

Yes, and I have a daughter who is autistic. And a daughter who is hearing impaired. I use an ECV.

Thank you for clarifying. I knew you’re a DAS pro, and I appreciate the information you share!

 

[Malcon10t]

Thank you for clarifying. I knew you’re a DAS pro, and I appreciate the information you share!

You are welcome. We travel with a service dog and service dog in training also, so know the ins and outs there. Life is fun around our place!!

 

[MonocularVision]

That's not really how coin flips work. It's a 50/50 chance every time no matter how many times you flip it - so you can't increase your odds of winning by going more times, just your personal attempts at winning once with those same odds.

This is exactly how probabilities work. When you are calculating the probability of an event, the number of times absolutely plays a factor in it if you are discussing it before the event.

You are correct in saying that after you have flipped a coin a million times, the odds at that moment are back to 50/50. But that wasn’t what was being discussed.

Bottom line: if you go to DL multiple times and try to get on ROTR, you are increasing your odds of getting on at least once.

 

[Heather07438]

There is nothing Disney can do to guarantee anyone a ride on ROTR, unless maybe your last name is Iger

Or Neil Patrick Harris during Candlelight Processional, lol.

 

[baozi]

The original post did not say the probability of one flip changes, but the probability that you get a head when you do multiple flips changes, it may happen on the first flip, or on the second flip, etc.
But one assumption on this is that every flip is independent, one thing that I would point out is that it is not entirely a coin flip, people need to figure out from user side what the reason is for a failure. Without doing it and changing the way in which they obtain the group next time, then if someone fails this time, he/she is likely to fail next time as well.

That's not really how coin flips work. It's a 50/50 chance every time no matter how many times you flip it - so you can't increase your odds of winning by going more times, just your personal attempts at winning once with those same odds.

 

[Heather07438]

The original post did not say the probability of one flip changes, but the probability that you get a head when you do multiple flips changes, it may happen on the first flip, or on the second flip, etc.
But one assumption on this is that every flip is independent, one thing that I would point out is that it is not entirely a coin flip, people need to figure out from user side what the reason is for a failure. Without trying to figure out a reason and changing the way in which you obtain the group next time, then if someone fails this time, he/she is likely to fail next time as well.

OOps, i meant to reply to:

That's not really how coin flips work. It's a 50/50 chance every time no matter how many times you flip it - so you can't increase your odds of winning by going more times, just your personal attempts at winning once with those same odds.

2 tries looks like this:
HH
HT
TH
TT
There are 4 outcomes, and 3 of them include at least 1 heads. 75% chance.

3 tries looks like
HHH
HHT
HTT
HTH
THT
THH
TTH
TTT
There are 8 outcomes, and 7 of them include at least 1 heads. 87.5% chance (7/8)

 

[Kender]

You are welcome. We travel with a service dog and service dog in training also, so know the ins and outs there. Life is fun around our place!!

Count me among those who really appreciates your insight into DAS and that you share your experiences. I don't use DAS myself (it can't help with my issues as I'm fine once I'm in line), but I do occasionally travel with people who do and always pass on tips I've learned from you and others.

 

[EmJ]

Or Neil Patrick Harris during Candlelight Processional, lol.

Well, of course; that goes without saying. Anything for Neil