Rose and Crown Review

Curious as to what influence disney has on the running of the restaurants in World showcase? I understand that that each country has to pay big bucks to have space in Epcot, has Disney been pushing up that price too and the resturants are having to make cuts? Do Disney run the restaurants themselves or is it run as a frachaise by each of the country's?
 
I don't each fish so the R&C has never appealed to me. But after hearing the good reviews about France, we are going to add that to our list of somewhere to try in August. :goodvibes Thank you Kevin. :thumbsup2 Penny:hippie:
 
I can't believe with all the talk of fish 'n chips, no-one has mentioned mushy peas?!

Come on people! :laughing:
 

Ill probably get flammed for this but..
After now listerning to the review, i think it sounds like a review of england itself. Cant wait to move. lol
 
Ill probably get flammed for this but..
After now listerning to the review, i think it sounds like a review of england itself. Cant wait to move. lol

Oi! Some of us love living in England, it has a lot going for it! If you don't like it here, that's up to you, but I wouldn't swap it for anything!
 
Kevin,

I also said that I liked the Guinness. :drinking1 I would have tried the Fish and Chips, but had already had that at an Irish pub in Melbourne earlier in the week.

Mary and I have also left the Rose and Crown after poor service to dine at CdF. The food and service there have always been excellent whether for lunch or dinner. In fact, we had an enjoyable lunch at CdF the day after we met you, your Mom and John. CdF is one of our favorites in the parks along with the Brown Derby at Hollywood Studios.

In defense of R&C, our server on the day we met you all was very attentive and we have had great service and food in the past as well, but I do believe the menu and food have suffered in the past few years. I agree with John that thefish and chips from the take-out window are better. :)
 
Have eaten at R&C a few times and been very satisfied! Also always visit the Yorkshire Fish Shop for a quick snack of F&C!

My favorite Disney drink comes from R&C! It's the Welsh Dragon! We have learned to make it at home. Recommended it last week while a friend was in Disney and she loved it too!

I like the F&C better here then at Raglan Road! Tasteless at RR! YUCK! Went to RR in April and ordered something totally different and it was AWESOME! Can't recall but I know it was SOOOOOO much better than the F&C at RR!
 
Just to add to the fish & chip discussion, does anyone know if that English chain provides the fish & chips for other locations besides the Yorkshire shop? I was dragged kicking and screaming into the ABC Commissary one afternoon (had bad experiences there before) and my friend got the fish & chips there and told me I HAD to have a piece. I did and the fish was DELICIOUS... hot, crisp, fresh, flavorful. Later in the week I had f&c at Columbia Harbour House and it was exactly the same and just wonderful. Never had them actually in Epcot so I was just wondering.
 
I agree with tigger813 (I have to - she's my DW :) ), although we haven't had a meal there in a couple trips. Service wise I think we do well because I've been to England many times and know some of the areas well. Last time we ate a full meal there the server's nametag listed she was from Chester, near Liverpool. I mentioned how whenever we were there we visited the Chester Zoo, and how the flowerbeds they often had rivaled the F&G festival. Although she said that she wasn't a native of Chester but was attending University there, she seems thankful that someone actually understood where she was from more than just asking, "So, what's it like where you are from?"

As for getting F&C from the outside shop, you'd think it was from the same kitchen, but it certainly was good last time (although that was last April). As with anything, it can change, but also as with anything it could have been an off day. As I've said before, we had a wonderful meal at Coral Reef, even after the infamous "sad little crabcake" story.

I do try and stop at R&C to get a Guinness to go (and a Welsh Dragon for DW), although last time I did that I lost a kid - that's a whole 'nother story. :)

The F&C at Raglan Road were definitely bland in comparison, but everything else we've had there was great.
 
Oi! Some of us love living in England, it has a lot going for it! If you don't like it here, that's up to you, but I wouldn't swap it for anything!

Very true... but I'd swap it for a well paid job in the Games Industry...
 
Ahh, the glorious Scotch Egg(s)...

Since the mid-1980's, we've loved the Scotch Eggs at Rose and Crown...

But, add the ones that are available there now to the long list of things that just 'aren't as good as they used to be' at Disney restaurants in general.

Back in the late 80's/early 90's, Scotch Eggs were only available in the pub section of RnC. You'd order them as 'bar food', and they'd come out as six egg halves (3 eggs total, of course). If memory serves, you could order them hot or cold, and they came with a sort of creamy honey/mustard dipping sauce. I don't remember the price, but it was low enough that ordering two or more orders was normal and not cost prohibitive. (They were so tasty, one could eat more eggs at one sitting than you'd think imaginable...)

But, then came that dark day when the Scotch Eggs were no more. Each visit we'd ask our handsome barkeep if they'd returned, and each time we'd be told a variance of, "No, but I get that question most every day."

Needless to say, when 'word on the street' told us that they had finally returned to Epcot, we nearly danced a jig of unbridled glee in the streets.

Unfortunately, their current incarnation is a pale imitation of their former glory. Now, you get two halves, and they just are not nearly as tasty as they used to be...

Lesser quality, smaller portion.

The curse of the DDP lives on.
 
Last time I went to Rose and Crown I had a wonderful time and the food was very good. Unfortunately a lot of the restaurants are hit and miss. Which is a shame.:sad2:

I've listen to Kevin's review and find them concise. I think that if you do have a bad server it does effect your meal greatly. And not speaking to his mother was a little rude.

And Rose and Crown is not the only place to get Fish and Chips.

Raglan Road and Cooke's of Dublin has very good fish and chips. Love those two in general:thumbsup2
 
Ahh, the glorious Scotch Egg(s)...

Since the mid-1980's, we've loved the Scotch Eggs at Rose and Crown...

But, add the ones that are available there now to the long list of things that just 'aren't as good as they used to be' at Disney restaurants in general.

Back in the late 80's/early 90's, Scotch Eggs were only available in the pub section of RnC. You'd order them as 'bar food', and they'd come out as six egg halves (3 eggs total, of course). If memory serves, you could order them hot or cold, and they came with a sort of creamy honey/mustard dipping sauce. I don't remember the price, but it was low enough that ordering two or more orders was normal and not cost prohibitive. (They were so tasty, one could eat more eggs at one sitting than you'd think imaginable...)

But, then came that dark day when the Scotch Eggs were no more. Each visit we'd ask our handsome barkeep if they'd returned, and each time we'd be told a variance of, "No, but I get that question most every day."

Needless to say, when 'word on the street' told us that they had finally returned to Epcot, we nearly danced a jig of unbridled glee in the streets.

Unfortunately, their current incarnation is a pale imitation of their former glory. Now, you get two halves, and they just are not nearly as tasty as they used to be...

Lesser quality, smaller portion.

The curse of the DDP lives on.

I remember those scotch eggs. They were lovely. R&C was much better back then, in service, menu variety, and quality. Our visit 3 yrs. ago was the last straw. It was like a caricature of bad English food. Unfortunately, it's become bad by any standard. The only thing it's got going for it is the beer.
 
Spend a day in a wheelchair and let me know how you feel at the end of it.

Or just ask someone you might know who is confined to a wheelchair how they feel they are treated.

I think you will find it an eye opener.

This is a bit off topic, but my intent in posting this is not to hijack the thread.

I have recently read an article that made me think of Kevin's review of Rose and Crown. The article uses an example of a wheelchair user in a restaurant. While the person in the example has a different disability than Kevin's mother, the basic idea is the same. I feel that the article and example illistrates Kevin's point very well.

The following is written by Mark E. Smith:

By Mark E. Smith

Among disability’s most intriguing aspects is in its capacity of proving counterintuitive – often to a point that makes one rethink human potential. See, the definition of counterintuitive is when we recognize that something is the opposite of what we expected – and that’s disability experience at its core.

Disability has a way of demonstrating one’s exceptional strengths among presumed weaknesses – and does so in ways that can seem so counterintuitive that they are mind-blowing. Literally, it’s often the case with disability that those who appear as the weakest are actually the strongest, where those who appear as the most downtrodden are actually the most empowered. Indeed, there’s a counterintuitive element to disability that turns common-sense perception upside-down.

Many would assume that an individual in a restaurant, who was using a wheelchair, fed by others, uncommunicative, with no facial expressions, strikingly incapacitated, might be an “invalid,” to the point that most waitresses wouldn’t likely even address the individual directly, probably assuming that the individual lacked cognitive abilities. Yet, through the amazingly counterintuitive nature of disability, that individual – using a wheelchair, fed by others, uncommunicative, with no facial expressions – could be among the most brilliant individuals in the history of mankind: theoretical physicist, Dr. Stephen Hawking.

While Dr. Hawking maybe an exceptional – albeit, perfect – example of the counterintuitive nature of disability, it can be part of all of our lives. In fact, in living our best with disabilities, our lives should demonstrate the counterintuitive nature of disability, much like Dr. Hawking’s does, where beneath the seeming obvious physicality of disability resides the extraordinary nature of human potential. While our lives with disability may appear on the surface to be all about what we can’t do, our lives at a more core level should be about what we can do, proving strikingly counterintuitive in their successes – even surprising ourselves, at times.

A common thought process is that as our bodies lack abilities, our entire lives likewise degrade. However, again, disability proves amazingly counterintuitive, where when we fully utilize our intrinsic capacities, it often demonstrates that the less physical abilities we have, the more capable we are, where the weaker our bodies, the stronger our other assets – mentally, emotionally, spiritually. Disability as counterintuitive truly goes to the root of adversity, where intuition tells us that adversity defeats us, where in actuality, it uplifts us, where the more we face adversity, the stronger we become – that is, when we harness our fullest potentials.

A friend of mine recently asked me about the counterintuitive nature of my life. “How is it that, as a guy with cerebral palsy, bundled up in your power wheelchair, you have all this stuff going for you,” he asked? “You work like a maniac, you’re in better shape than anyone I know from working out, you’re always there for your daughter. Meanwhile, there are all these people with no physical issues, who don’t seem to do anything. It makes no sense.”

Of, course, from my disability perspective, the scenario that my friend presented makes perfect sense: It’s not how much we have, but what we do with what we have that counts, where the counterintuitive nature of life proves that if we have less, we can accomplish more. During his first two years as a student at Cambridge, Dr. Hawking wasn’t by any means a distinguished student; however, it was when his condition, Lou Gehrig’s disease, set in and progressed dramatically that his success in academics grew exponentially. Quite literally, rather than Lou Gehrig’s disease hampering Dr. Hawking’s education, it inspired it – as he seemingly had less in life, he accomplished more.

I’m always intrigued – sometimes amused! – when those without disabilities note the counterintuitive nature of our lives. I was waiting for some friends at a bar, and a woman next to me struck up a conversation. Surely, she had already had a few drinks in comparison to my absolute sobriety, and she quickly warmed up to me. After a few minutes of conversation, she noted that she had slept with many men in her years, and her all-time best lover was a gentleman who was a quadriplegic. “He seemed to somehow understand the power of physical intimacy more than any other man I’ve known, even though he had very little feeling from the chest down,” she shared.

I was certainly a bit blushed by her so candidly sharing her experience with me, but what she was really expressing was her recognizing the counterintuitive nature of disability, where someone with limited physical abilities can prove among the most skilled lovers. Again, what initially seemed like a deficiency, she shared, actually was a proficiency beyond all others – proving completely counterintuitive.

In our own lives, the counterintuitive nature of disability can often engage others, not only enlightening them, but inspiring them, as well. It can change the way they see themselves and the world around them for the better. Disability often unleashes the extraordinary potential within all of us, and when others witness the results, it’s inspiring to all.

Yet, it’s not so important that others universally recognize the counterintuitive nature of disability experience. After all, not everyone will have the insight to look beyond the superficial facade of disability in its most blatant physical form. However, it is vital that we, as those with disabilities, embrace the counterintuitive nature of disability, where we don’t merely focus an any negatives, but recognizing the corrilating positives and potential in our lives that also come with disability. This process is accomplished by recognizing that our physical limitations are always mirrored by positive potentials, and by focusing on counterintuitive nature of disability experience – that is, the positive potentials that are inherent within us all – our lives flourish.

Make no mistake, the fact that disability routinely adds more to our lives than it takes seems at odds with common sense. Yet, when we look around at those with severe disabilities living empowered, successful lives, where among the most challenged prove as among the most successful, the counterintuitive nature of disability experience proves the seeming impossible time after time: When we truly apply ourselves in living with disability, weakness strengthens, defeat empowers, and challenge elevates. Indeed, based on its intrinsic counterintuitive nature, disability doesn’t have to limit us – it can liberate us.

http://wheelchairjunkie.wordpress.com/
 
Have others had the same opinion of the food there? I have a reservation for there June 1st, as I was told it's the best place to view Illuminations, but even with the dining plan I don't want to be disappointed.
Should I change to the paris restaurant or stick with Rose and Crown?
If you're going there to watch Illuminations, ABSOLUTELY, keep your reservation! It's our very favorite place to watch from. If you're going there to eat, and you're hoping for a really great meal, I'd recommend you make other plans.

DH and I always spend 2 days of our vacation in Epcot. One of those, we always have dinner at R&C so that we can, with luck, get a lakeside table and watch the fireworks. We always tell them we're willing to wait however long it takes, we're always really nice about it, and I use my very best sweet, pitiful, puppydog face, (we always have an ADR), and we've always gotten one. The view is spectacular.

The food is another matter entirely. DH has very bland food tastes and he likes the food pretty well, actually. I am a verified foodie in a lot of ways - I don't like fast food, I don't like 'chain' restaurant food particularly well. Yes, I can be a food snob. I found the food to be bland, overcooked, underseasoned, and lacking in menu choices. There really weren't any choices for folks who prefer fresh vegetables and herbs, bright sauces, non-'heavy' tasting foods. Part of that is the nature of the cuisine, which I understand, but they don't prepare the traditional British cuisine well either, in my opinion. If you're lucky and get the fish and chips right after they come out of the fryer, they're really good - just like you get at the counter service outside (see, I'm not that big of a snob!) :goodvibes

However, their drinks are stellar, and the view is so good that I always have a lovely evening. I know what to expect of the food. If you go into the restaurant with the correct expectations (review the menu ahead of time so you know what the dishes are, and ask questions of the lovely folks here from across the pond if you need to know what things are), I think you can have a good evening. :cutie:
 
Just wanted to say how much I appreciate Kevin and others on the boards who talk about WDW with respect to being in a wheelchair. I am hoping that my 83 y o mom can attain better health this year and that she can be convinced to go to WDW with the whole family this year. It is a magical wish to be sure, but I know she secretly wants to go and fears being a burden on all of us...plus her health isn't that great right now. Even if she improves, she would be wheelchair bound. We took her to Christmas Town at Busch Wlbg (and it was pitiful in comparison to WDW, but it did snow REAL snow and it was gorgeous!) this past year and she is still talking about it. Can you imagine what she would do if she saw WDW at Christmas?
It also makes me think about my own sensitivity. I have worked with folks with disabilities so I don't intentionally act rudely but I'm sure I've been guilty of being too distracted to notice or too much in a hurry...so Kevin's words are always a reminder to be more mindful. Thanks :)
 
Just wanted to say how much I appreciate Kevin and others on the boards who talk about WDW with respect to being in a wheelchair. I am hoping that my 83 y o mom can attain better health this year and that she can be convinced to go to WDW with the whole family this year. It is a magical wish to be sure, but I know she secretly wants to go and fears being a burden on all of us...plus her health isn't that great right now. Even if she improves, she would be wheelchair bound...:)
In previous years, I couldn't go to WDW without using a scooter because of its size. A couple of months ago, I injured an already bad hip so that now it's much worse. I'm using a scooter almost everywhere now, even at the grocery store.

I hope you're able to make your wish come true and take your mom! Check out the DISabilities board. They're a great source of information AND inspiration. :goodvibes
 


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