RIAA now going after people that load their own CD's onto their own computer.

[ducklite]

True, so things are changing steadily. The point though is that folks shouldn't expect a system that has evolved over hundreds and hundreds of years to suddenly completely reverse itself. It could happen, but it hasn't, and most likely won't.

I'm not betting my lunch on the word "won't."

 

[cteddiesgirl]

I totally disagree with this statement. There are some absolutely amazing producers out there, both well established (Mutt Lange, Bob Rock, Toby Wright, Howard Benson) and newcomers or "lesser knowns" (Justin Thomas, Matt Squire, Rob Graves, Larry Baeder).

Depends. I have no idea who any of those people are. Who/what do they produce?

I also said most. Not all.
But then again, this is my own opinion and my opinion rarely coincides with the masses these days.

 

[TPCShauna]

I can partake in the glorious contrivance known as Google as well.

It has become relatively obvious to me that the irregularities of this hypothetical argument make it somewhat difficult for the median consumer to grasp the blatantly apparent intentions of the RIAA. As such, it would behoove said consumer to cease his/her/its procurement of music via the method of compact discs, and in its stead begin to obtain his/her/its media directly from internet web music providers, thus eliminating the middle man and causing the downfall of the Paleolithic purveyors.

I heart google.

I do not heart the attempted obfuscation of meritless argumentation via the utilization of inflated prose.

to all of you. Nice!

 

[ducklite]

Depends. I have no idea who any of those people are. Who/what do they produce?

I also said most. Not all.
But then again, this is my own opinion and my opinion rarely coincides with the masses these days.

In the first group they've got by my rough estimate someplace around 200 million CD's sold between them ranging from metal to country. You might not be familiar with their names, but I can guarantee you've heard of the artists they've produced.

The second group is up and coming, and it doesn't surprise me you aren't familiar with them (especially as you aren't familiar with anyone in the first group.) They have produced everything from reggae to blues to metal to Christian. I strongly believe that two of them will end up with the first group within the next ten years.

 

[bicker]

I'm not betting my lunch on the word "won't."

Well, I did say, "most likely won't".

 

[cteddiesgirl]

In the first group they've got by my rough estimate someplace around 200 million CD's sold between them ranging from metal to country. You might not be familiar with their names, but I can guarantee you've heard of the artists they've produced.

The second group is up and coming, and it doesn't surprise me you aren't familiar with them (especially as you aren't familiar with anyone in the first group.) They have produced everything from reggae to blues to metal to Christian. I strongly believe that two of them will end up with the first group within the next ten years.

OK. I went and looked up all the guys you listed and here's what I found out.

Mutt Lange: I have a (small) few albums he produced and a couple songs he wrote.

Bob Rock: I have 2 albums he produced and a couple that he mixed/engineered.

Toby Wright: I have a couple of albums that he mixed or engineered (mostly as assistant, but absolutely nothing that he produced.

Howard Benson: I have absolutely nothing by this guy.

Justin Thomas: Not having luck finding out about this guy.

Matt Squire: Have nothing by this guy either.

Rob Graves: Have nothing by this guy either.

Larry Baeder: Not finding productions that I even would have but evidently he's played guitar for a lot of established artists.


Oh. And I have more than 1200 albums which doesn't include the over 100 Gig of music on my computer.

Something tells me that in my own opinion, most of these guys haven't produced or aren't producing music I want to hear.
Oh. And just because I may have heard of some of the artists, it doesn't necessarily make them great producers. There's a lot of popular music I term crap from some very well known artists.

 

[ducklite]

Something tells me that in my own opinion, most of these guys haven't produced or aren't producing music I want to hear.
Oh. And just because I may have heard of some of the artists, it doesn't necessarily make them great producers. There's a lot of popular music I term crap from some very well known artists.

Most of those guys are critally acclaimed from a variety of critical sources. Just because you've got 1200 CD's (which frankly isn't all that many for a true audiophile) and only ahve a few produced by these guys doesn't mean they aren't fantastic at what they do. I mentioned two that have produced a lot of bands I don't care for at all, that doesn't mean that I don't think highly of their skills as a producer.

I've listened start to finish to at least 300 new releases this year, and the three with the best production of those were produced by Justin Thomas, Matt Squire, and Vitaman D. They weren't neccessarily my favorite CD's or artists, but the production was terrific--in one case actually outshined the artist IMHO.

 

[ducklite]

Something tells me that in my own opinion, most of these guys haven't produced or aren't producing music I want to hear.
Oh. And just because I may have heard of some of the artists, it doesn't necessarily make them great producers. There's a lot of popular music I term crap from some very well known artists.

Most of those guys are critally acclaimed from a variety of critical sources. Just because you've got 1200 CD's (which frankly isn't all that many for a true audiophile) and only have a few produced by these guys doesn't mean they aren't fantastic at what they do. I mentioned two that have produced a lot of bands I don't care for at all, that doesn't mean that I don't think highly of their skills as a producer.

I've listened start to finish to at least 300 new releases this year, and the three with the best production of those were produced by Justin Thomas, Matt Squire, and Vitaman D. They weren't neccessarily my favorite CD's or artists, but the production was terrific--in one case actually outshined the artist IMHO.

 

[TwinsinCA]

I've listened start to finish to at least 300 new releases this year

That IS impressive -- considering it is January 4th.

 

[ducklite]

That IS impressive -- considering it is January 4th.

Correction, in 2007.

 

[cruisnfamily]

I haven't read this whole thread yet and it's probably been posted but here it is anyway. There was an article the following day titled "RIAA Not Targeting CD Ripping After All"Click the link for the story. It's not the CD ripping that's a problem, just the sharing of it that's a problem.

Manufactured Controversy

The only problem: No such claim was made. What RIAA lawyer Ira Schwartz wrote in a supplemental brief was: "Once Defendant converted Plaintiffs' recording into the compressed .MP3 format and they are in his shared folder, they are no longer the authorized copies distributed by Plaintiffs."

The critical phrase there is "shared folder" because the rest of the brief makes clear that the RIAA is claiming that Howell not only ripped his CDs but also put them in his shared folder in Kazaa, thus making them available for worldwide distribution. The RIAA has successfully argued that mere presence of copyright files in a shared folder constitutes "distribution" under copyright law.