Restrictions on points bought via resale

Are those my only two choices? Because together, they do not span all space. And you left out my big IF. I don't think this will happen, but IF it did, I THINK that it will be going forward.
IF there are such changes it would almost certainly EITHER grandfather all members or none of them but it would not have to do so. IF any system were based on how many points you owned, that would split the membership in other ways. Marriott's new system not only differentiated between those who had bought resale in the past, it put all members on the outside looking in unless they ante'd up some $$$.
 
I wonder how this would be handled in our situation: We initially bought a small resale contract, but since have added on twice directly through Disney. :confused3
 
I wonder how this would be handled in our situation: We initially bought a small resale contract, but since have added on twice directly through Disney. :confused3
It depends. IF changes were made along these lines they would likely either segregate the points into each class or count you as retail buyer. However, as I noted, there's no guarantee that being a retail buyer will give you all options going forward IF changes were made. I am aware of at least 2 systems where they have limited options even to those that were retail buyers. Also, IF changes did occur, it's very possible one could move into the inner group with an additional minimum retail purchase.
 
It's too bad they will abandon the mechanism they created to try and support the resale market, ROFR. Instead they will create a new level of rules that will further confuse the purchaser all in the name of saving a few bucks.
 

It's too bad they will abandon the mechanism they created to try and support the resale market, ROFR. Instead they will create a new level of rules that will further confuse the purchaser all in the name of saving a few bucks.
ROFR has only been effective for resorts that were in demand and had a significant underlying resale value. The economy has changed those rules. ROFR has never been effecting in forcing prices far higher, only in tweaking them up a tad AT BEST. Some systems that have ROFR don't even enforce that you jump through hoops to sell and most don't exercise the right. I'm sure in retrospect they wish they had created a have/have not system from the start. Much easier to do it then than change midstream.

ETA: Not that it matters as ROFR was a program solely intended to benefit the seller.
 
I think where there's smoke, there's fire.

I think Disney definitely has something up its sleeve. I bought several contracts directly from Disney; yes, I understand that the legal documents we all signed probably purport to give Disney the right to preclude out of DVC network usage. However, we all know that Disney has extensively marketed its non-DVC options as a way to use points--in our tours, on the website, brochures, meetings and other advertising. I think there's enough that Disney has done in the past to sell owners on the non-DVC options that if it were now to restrict those options to a certain class of members (especially members who are already owners) that there would be enough "mud" to throw against a wall that would stick to warrant a lawsuit.

Even though I bought direct, there is a possibility that I may want to sell some or all of my points down the road and making my potential buyers "second-class citizens" (and in the process devaluing my ownership interest) will not make me happy.
 
I don't think they can do it, simply because it devalues the entire offering for all - plain and simple. It's the old adage ‘cut of your nose to spite your face’.

One of the incentives for buying DVC is the fact that it has value to others and therefore can be transferable, providing a reasonable rate of return.

By restricting some of its customers for wanting in at a lower rate (i.e. re-sale), Disney will be highlighting more of the obvious; the value just isn't there right now for their product. :teacher:

If the value was there Disney would be exercising their first right of refusal left right and centre, but clearly they don't, because the value is not there.
Strategically, should they do this, I see this as short term move of stupidity, again to the detriment to all points’ holders, present and future.

For example it would be like an auto dealer who entices you to buy their vehicle because it offers incredible resale value. But then you find out that in fact the value isn’t there – even the dealer doesn’t want to buy it back from you, and if actually CAN find someone else to sell it to the dealer won’t honour the original warranty or service agreement simply because they’re being petty because they can’t enough new vehicles off of their lot. YES – that prospect really entices me to want to buy (sorry just a little sarcasm there)!

In truth if DVC did such a thing, I certainly wouldn’t buy direct – they would be untrustworthy in my opinion.

Moreover if people think the re-sale point market is overselling now – I say just give this rule a chance, watch the prices drop, and drop hard in my opinion. Which again in my opinion, makes Disney’s job to entice direct sales even harder. Everyone loses. The new magic of Disney? :sad2: Sorry just kidding around. :)

Seriously though, I see such a move turning into a vicious circle ... almost deflationary like to the entire point market both re-sale and direct.
Sorry don’t mean to be Mr. Doom and Gloom.

Cheers,

Zebsterama
pirate: :hippie:
 
I don't think they can do it, simply because it devalues the entire offering for all - plain and simple. It's the old adage ‘cut of your nose to spite your face’.

One of the incentives for buying DVC is the fact that it has value to others and therefore can be transferable, providing a reasonable rate of return.

By restricting some of its customers for wanting in at a lower rate (i.e. re-sale), Disney will be highlighting more of the obvious; the value just isn't there right now for their product. :teacher:

If the value was there Disney would be exercising their first right of refusal left right and centre, but clearly they don't, because the value is not there.
Strategically, should they do this, I see this as short term move of stupidity, again to the detriment to all points’ holders, present and future.

For example it would be like an auto dealer who entices you to buy their vehicle because it offers incredible resale value. But then you find out that in fact the value isn’t there – even the dealer doesn’t want to buy it back from you, and if actually CAN find someone else to sell it to the dealer won’t honour the original warranty or service agreement simply because they’re being petty because they can’t enough new vehicles off of their lot. YES – that prospect really entices me to want to buy (sorry just a little sarcasm there)!

In truth if DVC did such a thing, I certainly wouldn’t buy direct – they would be untrustworthy in my opinion.

Moreover if people think the re-sale point market is overselling now – I say just give this rule a chance, watch the prices drop, and drop hard in my opinion. Which again in my opinion, makes Disney’s job to entice direct sales even harder. Everyone loses. The new magic of Disney? :sad2: Sorry just kidding around. :)

Seriously though, I see such a move turning into a vicious circle ... almost deflationary like to the entire point market both re-sale and direct.
Sorry don’t mean to be Mr. Doom and Gloom.

Cheers,

pirate: :hippie:

I totally agree!:thumbsup2
 
So who will be at the annual member's meeting on 12/9 and will ask the question about this?

We fly in 12/11 - so won't be there.
 
I don't think they can do it, simply because it devalues the entire offering for all - plain and simple. It's the old adage ‘cut of your nose to spite your face’.pirate: :hippie:

There is no doubt that they surely "could" put restrictions upon resale points if they chose to do so. To say they can't is incorrect.

The question is whether they will do it, or if they should do it.

Whether they will or not, is anyone's guess. Should they? Probably not.

But they certainly have the ability to do so.

Truthfully, I'm sure it is an idea they revisit from time to time. It is not their responsibility, nor their mission, to insure the members ownership has any resale value. They could stop all ROFR today, and resale prices would likely plummet. They are not exercising ROFR for the consideration of members, nor should they, legally. The sales division responsibilities are not to the members, but to DVD/Disney corporate and the stockholders, not the membership. They are doing it to maintain their own sales and profit ratios, which would tumble along with resale prices.
 
I don't think they can do it, simply because it devalues the entire offering for all - plain and simple. It's the old adage ‘cut of your nose to spite your face’.

One of the incentives for buying DVC is the fact that it has value to others and therefore can be transferable, providing a reasonable rate of return.

By restricting some of its customers for wanting in at a lower rate (i.e. re-sale), Disney will be highlighting more of the obvious; the value just isn't there right now for their product. :teacher:

If the value was there Disney would be exercising their first right of refusal left right and centre, but clearly they don't, because the value is not there.
Strategically, should they do this, I see this as short term move of stupidity, again to the detriment to all points’ holders, present and future.

For example it would be like an auto dealer who entices you to buy their vehicle because it offers incredible resale value. But then you find out that in fact the value isn’t there – even the dealer doesn’t want to buy it back from you, and if actually CAN find someone else to sell it to the dealer won’t honour the original warranty or service agreement simply because they’re being petty because they can’t enough new vehicles off of their lot. YES – that prospect really entices me to want to buy (sorry just a little sarcasm there)!

In truth if DVC did such a thing, I certainly wouldn’t buy direct – they would be untrustworthy in my opinion.

Moreover if people think the re-sale point market is overselling now – I say just give this rule a chance, watch the prices drop, and drop hard in my opinion. Which again in my opinion, makes Disney’s job to entice direct sales even harder. Everyone loses. The new magic of Disney? :sad2: Sorry just kidding around. :)

Seriously though, I see such a move turning into a vicious circle ... almost deflationary like to the entire point market both re-sale and direct.
Sorry don’t mean to be Mr. Doom and Gloom.

Cheers,

Zebsterama
pirate: :hippie:
I responded to your identical post on a similar thread HERE. I'll simply add that Chuck is absolutely correct. Their goal (DVD) is and should be to make money on the timeshare system. DVC is then tasked with managing that sale once it happens. OF course there's a minimum standard but that bar is not nearly as high as many here would like to think. I also think it's ironic that you compared timeshare to used cars, in many ways I'd agree, esp from a sales standpoint. To hold they have a responsibility to protect resale value is simply incorrect.
 
Disney advertises DVC as the "Disney Vacation Club timeshare" and "Timeshare Ownership with a Difference." Since 1991 timeshares have been addressed in the Fair Housing Act under HUD and the various court cases dealing with timeshare sales, interstate commerce and the commerce clause. One restriction under FHA is "cannot set different terms, conditions, or privileges for sale or rental of a unit." Since Disney does have offices and sales agents in several states they will have to deal with individual state regulations in addition to federal regulations under FHA if they make any changes.
 
There's got to be a story behind that. How did that happen?

I don't understand the question here - why would there need to be a "story"?

We bought resale first (2x) and then added on direct (3X). Each time, after promotions the true cost was pretty close, and the benefits (current year points, no closing costs, no MF for prior months, choice of contract size and use year, instant use of points, etc) more than offset any price difference - if in fact there WAS any initial price advantage with resale.
 



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