Resale vs New thru Disney

RayJay

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Sorry Guys,

I know this has been said over and over.

1. Could someone tell me how long it takes to get into the system (make ressies) if I went with a resale vs Disney.

2. Can I waitlist for a BCV contract even though I'm not a member (what price?)

3. What are Disney's terms (Ex. 5, 10 15 years at what rate?)

Thanks
RayJay
 
The length of time depends on lots of factors like how quickly the selling owners get paper work back etc.

Yes, you CAN go on a waitlist for points at a sold out resort direct from Disney, but it could take awhile.

I can't tell you the rate since we purchased 9 years ago, and didn't finance.
 
You can make a reservation a few hours after you say yes if you buy SSR.
as far as BCV resale there was a person who posted today who waited around 2 weeks through Disney.
you can finance up to 10 years with Disney and the interest is a tax deduction.
If you buy Reasle through somone other than Disney you will need to wait until it is approved and goes in the system (depends on the closing company)
Good Luck :cool1:
 
Anthony1971 said:
You can make a reservation a few hours after you say yes if you buy SSR.
as far as BCV resale there was a person who posted today who waited around 2 weeks through Disney.
you can finance up to 10 years with Disney and the interest is a tax deduction.
If you buy Reasle through somone other than Disney you will need to wait until it is approved and goes in the system (depends on the closing company)
Good Luck :cool1:

Thanks Diane, Thanks Anthony

Now if someone could tell me what the rate is for 10 years?

RayJay
 

it was 9.75 a few weeks ago i can not see it changing
it is simple interest unlike a mortgage or car loan
in other words if you borrow 100 and did not pay anything for the full year you would owe 109.75
a mortgae, car loan, credit card adds intrest --daily-weekly-monthly-- depends on the terms (most likely daily) they divide the rate respectivley and you pay intrest on the intrest
so a 9.75 rate would realy about 10.75 somewhere else and it may not be a tax deduction. :bounce:
now there is a scam everyone pays for :crazy:
if you can get a home equity loan you may get a better rate but you may also pay fees which may out weigh the diffrence (and they are not simple intrest so add about 1 percent) but the interest is usually tax deductable ::MickeyMo
good luck
 
IIRC, for 10 years it was 10.75; 9.75 if you set up an auto-payment....
 
If you buy resale, plan on 8-10 weeks for the resale process itself, and another 2 weeks or so before you are "In the system" and can make reservations.

I started looking in early February, had a deal which the seller reneged on in mid-February, got a second contract in late February, passed Disney's Right of First Refusal on March 10, and am finally hoping to close next week. And that is with expedited service from the closing agent. Some resales have taken a LOT longer than that.

It's a long, complex, frustrating process on its best day. On its worst day, you may find yourself trying to do business with unethical people. This week, two others on these boards have reported that they went all the way through the process and were ready to close, and their sellers backed out. You have to have been through the process to realize how gut-wrenching that is.

Before you buy resale, I would strongly recommend that you carefully research the players, the process, and the costs of doing so. I can't emphasize that enough - research, research, research!

I think it is very important to understand that, with resale you have no recourse with an unscrupulous seller...especially if they are located overseas. Sure, you've got a contract, but if they breach it, what do you do? The answer to that - for all practical purposes - is nothing. The costs of a lawsuit are prohibitive, so there really is no practical recourse in the real world. Most resales go through without a hitch, but as that great philosopher Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over 'til it's over!"

Also, instead of looking only at the per-point cost of a purchase, I would look at the whole picture.

With resale, unless you buy SSR, you are buying a 37 year contract. SSR, either from Disney or resale, you're buying 49 years of points. If you don't intend to keep your points until expiration, I'd try to look out into the future however long you think you'll keep them and then see what you'd have left to sell.

Buying new, you can finance through Disney; resale, you have to get your own financing. That may not be an issue for you, or you may have the ability to finance by home equity, which would be cheaper anyway.

With Disney, there are no closing costs; buying resale, you pay closing costs which range from about $350 up. I'm doing a $22,000 contract and mine are $610. If you pay closing costs, you have to factor that into your price calculations.

With Disney, you are dealing with a very reputable company. Resale, you are dealing with mostly reputable people.

The biggest overlooked factor is dues, which include maintenance, taxes, etc. Those range currently from a low of $3.83 per point per year at SSR, to about $4.87 pp/py at Vero. That's a big difference, and it's not a one-time difference - it's every year.

I think the best way to do an accurate calculation of your real cost is to consider total dollars, not per-point pricing. Take your initial purchase price, add closing costs if applicable, figure about how long you intend to keep DVC, calculate the annual dues and multiply those by the duration you expect to be a member. Add the initial price, closing costs, and dues for the duration of ownership, and that's your total cost. It will be a BIG number.

Compare the two options that way and see which makes more sense for you. I think you will find that if you are buying a larger contract, resale may save you some money. It'll give you some grey hairs, but it may save you some money. The smaller the contract, the less likely you will want to go resale.

See how much you will save with resale. Then, in the context of the TOTAL expense for the duration of your membership, ask yourself whether the initial savings in the murky waters of resale outweighs the ease and confidence of dealing direct with Disney. It may, or it may not. The answer is different for everyone.
 
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JimMIA makes a number of good points.

Initial purchase price in the end does not make a big difference over the term of your ownership - more of the total cost is in the dues.

Likewise, when considering the additional years with SSR, all you are really doing is spreading the initial purchase price over that many more years - again, in the bigger picture, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference. You still pay your annual maintenance over those additional years.

If you look at it in terms of the true indicator being your total ownership cost over the years, you'll quickly come to the conclusion that there really is not a big difference in any of the options you choose for purchasing your contract. Sure, they will vary by banked/borrowed points (I notice the majority of resales these days have all of the current year points used up, yet are still trying to sell at the same rate as others with all currnet year points or even some banked), but, generally, the selling price accounts for these slight differences.

We purchased direct from DVC, and it was breeze easy. Basically did it all by email (and this was 5 years ago). Start to finish was a couple weeks at most.
 
SlyHubby said:
[...] Likewise, when considering the additional years with SSR, all you are really doing is spreading the initial purchase price over that many more years - again, in the bigger picture, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference. You still pay your annual maintenance over those additional years.
[...]
I respectfully suggest that getting 49 years of DVC points (SSR) or only 37 years (all others) does indeed make a difference....
 
DrTomorrow - then you didn't understand what JimMIA or I have said regarding total ownership cost.

You are not getting anything for your 49 years vs. 37 years that you are not paying for. There is little difference if any. I think the price of purchasing SSR vs. the cost of any other resort bears that out.

What is your annual cost vs. non-SSR? Again, you will see that there is little difference. And, if as you suggest, there is a more significant difference, then the selling price of SSR vs. non-SSR would reflect that.
 
SlyHubby said:
DrTomorrow - then you didn't understand what JimMIA or I have said regarding total ownership cost.

You are not getting anything for your 49 years vs. 37 years that you are not paying for. There is little difference if any. I think the price of purchasing SSR vs. the cost of any other resort bears that out.

What is your annual cost vs. non-SSR? Again, you will see that there is little difference. And, if as you suggest, there is a more significant difference, then the selling price of SSR vs. non-SSR would reflect that.
Actually, I agree with the good Doctor's statement. And I also don't think you two are saying anything radically different, you're just looking at it differently.

Sure there's a difference. You're paying a higher per-point initial cost for SSR, and you are getting 12 more years of DVC. One of my points above is that when people lock on to per-point prices, they lose sight of the big picture. As you say, Sly, there IS little difference in the two options. In one, you are paying a little more for more. In the other, you are paying a little less for less.

The question each of us has to answer - and the "right" answer will vary from family to family - is which option is better for us.
 
There has been some very good advice so far. Let me add my perspective. I look at the costs over the term of the contract. What you pay per point (not the $75 - $95) but the actual cost for all points (the $2.00 - $2.40) you will receive for the remainder of the term. Then add in annual dues.

SSR started at $1.58 per point at its earliest pre-construction pricing. It's now at about $1.90. Resale: BCV is at about $2.30 and OKW at $2.05. These are before annual dues are considered.

The difference between SSR and all other resorts will really show up as the contracts age. At some point the value of the older contracts (2042 expiration) will decline while SSR will continue to hold steady or increase. I don't know when that point will occur. Some others here have said they believe that it will happen at about the 10 to 20 years remaining range (2022 - 2032).
 
JimMIA said:
[...] there IS little difference in the two options. In one, you are paying a little more for more. In the other, you are paying a little less for less. The question each of us has to answer - and the "right" answer will vary from family to family - is which option is better for us.
Exactly! Well put! SSR costs a bit more because you get a bit more....
 
I just completed a resale a few weeks ago. I put in my offer on 1/28 and I made my first reservation on 3/5. I saved a significant amount of money vs. buying new at SSR. I must however mention that financing was not one of my needs.
 
JimMIA said:
The question each of us has to answer - and the "right" answer will vary from family to family - is which option is better for us.


Jim,

That's it in a nutshell, all will choose different paths. Thank You very much for your informative (opinion) post, also thanks to the others for their opinions, it is very nice to read the different view points, it does help.

I completely agree with your assessment on resales, but I have decided to go that way this time, I was a previous owner at BCV (210) and sold 3 years ago. I'm really looking for either BWV or BCV again so really your statement above holds true, "each family will vary", while I think we would like to try SSR some day right now I'm leaning towards Epcot area.

Thanks again to everyone on their opinions and also helping with financing choices, I actually put in a offer for BWV today and was told 7 weeks to close.

RayJay
 















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