Recent visit queues, FP, and more

agamble

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We just spent a long weekend at Disneyland for Halloween. It was a great time even though crowds were crazy, especially Friday night. I wanted to comment on a few "oddities" in queues, FP, etc.

First, Peter Pan was a 30 minute wait most of the time we were there even though crowds were very high. You may be thinking, "NO WAY!" But it was. I'll come back and post a picture of why from my phone in a few minutes.

Haunted Mansion and Guardians both had some FP issues this weekend. Friday morning I left my Mom and DH with our older kids to ride Star Tours and took the baby to get all of us FP for Haunted Mansion. The queue was super long and went through switchbacks outside the fence blocking the typical way to get to the FP machines. I had to walk around the planter on the other side. I got there and there was a huge FP line and it was very slow moving. I would say I waited about 15-20 minutes to get our FP. This was because only ONE FP machine was working inside the FP area. There were not any CM out letting people know this either. So we all just stood and waited forever and finally got to the front to see all the machines out of order except one. Crazy!

We could have gotten FP for Monster's After Dark on Friday if we had park hopped before 4, but my mother wanted to do other things and since she doesn't get to visit as frequently as we do we didn't make it over there before party crowds began streaming in. Standby waits for MAD were 4+ hours Friday night. So we needed to get FP on Saturday. My mom and I took our two younger ones back for a nap Saturday and left my DH and oldest at the park with instructions to get into the FP queue shortly before 3. My husband did and he told me he was right in front of the machine area with several hundred people in front of him and hundreds more behind him with the line stretching around the corner out of sight. 3:00 came and went and the FP machines did NOT open. CM told them that there was an error and they would get them up and running soon. My husband stayed until 3:20 but they hadn't opened so he and my daughter moved on. I have Max Pass on my AP so I just paid the $10 for him to have Max Pass too and got 2 FP for MAD so he could ride with my daughter, we then used rider switch for my mother and I to ride with my daughter again. It was crazy. I'm pretty sure they opened a few minutes after he left the line too as the FP were going slowly with only Max Pass availability but they had gone much quicker by the time I was able to purchase Max Pass for him and obtain the FP.

If you have Max Pass it will be helpful for this busy season. Also, you can use it to keep checking for canceled availability. Our FP for MAD was for 8:05. At 8:02 FP showed as available for MAD. I couldn't book it because I already had an unused FP for the ride. At 8:05 the FP was gone of course. I continued to check and MAD never came back up, but FP were pretty much gone for everything but GRR and other rides did frequently come up.

Popcorn lines were very long due to AP refills. The lines moved slow. Also, several locations began serving popcorn around 9:30 in the morning.
 
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The CMs were holding the line outside of the shaded queue structure for Peter Pan so the queue appeared to be full, but when you got closer you could see it wasn't full after all. They only allowed enough guests in to fill up the long row in the queue as pictured above. It seemed to work as it pretty consistently had a wait of only 30 minutes on a very busy weekend.
 
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The CMs were holding the line outside of the shaded queue structure for Peter Pan so the queue appeared to be full, but when you got closer you could see it wasn't full after all. They only allowed enough guests in to fill up the long row in the queue as pictured above. It seemed to work as it pretty consistently had a wait of only 30 minutes on a very busy weekend.
What the heck? So guests were being turned away?
 

The CMs were holding the line outside of the shaded queue structure for Peter Pan so the queue appeared to be full, but when you got closer you could see it wasn't full after all. They only allowed enough guests in to fill up the long row in the queue as pictured above.
I have seen that the last couple times I have been there. I thought I read somewhere here that it had to do with the fire marshall. There wasn't an easy escape in case of emergency and they can no longer use the section in your picture.
 
We saw the same thing back in August. We also figured it had to do with safety and the difficulty in getting out of that section of the queue in the case of an emergency. My guess is that it's a combination of the queue being very tight, with non-movable barriers, and in an enclosed area. So the people in the middle could (in theory) be trapped if something were to happen. It meant the line looked longer from the outside, but it moved faster when you got under the covered area.
 
When we RDed Peter Pan, I'm pretty sure we did go through that queue. Maybe they close it off later. Weird.
 
We rode Peter Pan the week we were there (Sept 9-16) and they used the entire queue area.
 
OK. But I still find it annoying. I'm not a fan of mind games, even if it benefits me.
.... But so much at Disneyland is a mind game! Starting on Main Street with forced perspective. Piping scents onto the street. Making a single shopping area appear like 6-7 storefronts. Putting longer wait times than correct so you feel like you go lucky when the sign said 45 minutes and you only waited 38. Hiding lines so they look really short but snake through an unrealized hidden queue. (Had I known that in my first trip as a teen, I would have never gone on Roger Rabbit. That wasn't worth the hour wait!)

Obviously we all still love Disneyland even with the mind games they play, though! I like getting to suspend reality and ignore the truth when I'm there. I mean, OF COURSE I'm capable of driving the Jeep for the whole group on Indy!
 
.... But so much at Disneyland is a mind game! Starting on Main Street with forced perspective. Piping scents onto the street. Making a single shopping area appear like 6-7 storefronts. Putting longer wait times than correct so you feel like you go lucky when the sign said 45 minutes and you only waited 38. Hiding lines so they look really short but snake through an unrealized hidden queue. (Had I known that in my first trip as a teen, I would have never gone on Roger Rabbit. That wasn't worth the hour wait!)

Obviously we all still love Disneyland even with the mind games they play, though! I like getting to suspend reality and ignore the truth when I'm there. I mean, OF COURSE I'm capable of driving the Jeep for the whole group on Indy!
I know all of that.

But this one's a little too obvious.
 
My husband did and he told me he was right in front of the machine area with several hundred people in front of him and hundreds more behind him with the line stretching around the corner out of sight. 3:00 came and went and the FP machines did NOT open. CM told them that there was an error and they would get them up and running soon. My husband stayed until 3:20 but they hadn't opened so he and my daughter moved on. I have Max Pass on my AP so I just paid the $10 for him to have Max Pass too and got 2 FP for MAD so he could ride with my daughter, we then used rider switch for my mother and I to ride with my daughter again. It was crazy. I'm pretty sure they opened a few minutes after he left the line too as the FP were going slowly with only Max Pass availability but they had gone much quicker by the time I was able to purchase Max Pass for him and obtain the FP.

I was there Saturday as well. I kept checking FP availability before 3 hoping MAD would open up earlier. Starting at 3, the whole Maxpass system just shut down. Overloaded with too many people trying to get in! I walked over to get in line around 3:15 or so and it was all the way past the Animators Hall, so decided, nope! Instead I went to Cars Land and checked out decorations. Around 3:30 I opened it back up and was able to get a FP for 6:30-7:30. I was shocked such an early time was still available! I guess if both paper and MP were down until then, it makes sense (and I know paper is defunct now, but it's easier to refer to them that way).

When I got in line around 6:45 it stretched all the way into Bugs Land, with the whole Red Trolley area as a switchback. The CM explained that when MP/FP went down and came back up it spit out way too many FPs for each time period, so they were having a hard time coping with it! Everyone in line I talked to also had MaxPass, so I wonder if paper FPs even got earlier times or had to wait until later?
 
When we were there last week they didn't have the tight turn part open and they were stopping people with a chain controlled by a CM at the entrance which I thought was weird. The fire regulation makes sense. I wonder when they will have to close to revamp the queue.
 
When we were there last week they didn't have the tight turn part open and they were stopping people with a chain controlled by a CM at the entrance which I thought was weird. The fire regulation makes sense. I wonder when they will have to close to revamp the queue.
Yeah. That's how it was. It actually had me wondering about future FP because it was very much like the merge of a FP and standby queue.
 
Hiding lines so they look really short but snake through an unrealized hidden queue. (Had I known that in my first trip as a teen, I would have never gone on Roger Rabbit. That wasn't worth the hour wait!)
The same thing happened to DH and I during our first trip to Disneyland together when we were in college, we also waited about an hour (and let's face it, that ride isn't worth an hour wait). To this day DH still hates that ride and refuses to go on it.
 
I only ever do PP at rope-drop. Otherwise, the line is simply too long. I've probably been first for it at least 20 times. But I'm almost invariably in the first five or so.
 
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The CMs were holding the line outside of the shaded queue structure for Peter Pan so the queue appeared to be full, but when you got closer you could see it wasn't full after all. They only allowed enough guests in to fill up the long row in the queue as pictured above. It seemed to work as it pretty consistently had a wait of only 30 minutes on a very busy weekend.
Yes, they were doing this as well on Wednesday night, and it ended up only taking 27 minutes to go through the queue.
 
I have seen that the last couple times I have been there. I thought I read somewhere here that it had to do with the fire marshall. There wasn't an easy escape in case of emergency and they can no longer use the section in your picture.
That makes a lot of sense. It could be a safety issue it's so tight in there!
 


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