Re: DHS expansion -further evidence the Backlot tour is Going bye bye

I'm not a lawyer...and late to the party, in general, but you are correct.

A previous poster said they thought the violation would NOT be because of architectural copyright law...but I'm not sure what other possible violation could exist.

You can't copyright or trademark the exterior of a specific building built prior to 12/1/1990. You can modify the image and add elements to CREATE a trademark. But in that case, simply using the picture of the building would not encompass infringement.

The rumor suggests the building has trademark protection which prevents Disney from selling photos (photo pass) of guests with the building in the background. In a past thread a CM, or was it someone who knows a CM?, said Disney photographers are specifically told in their training not to take a picture of a guest with Graumanns Theater in the background.

There are some representations of the building registered as trademarks.
 
If the rumored DHS expansion happens will the Backlot Tour go away along with Lights! Motors! Boring!?
 

I actually think that the fact that they are doing a refurb on the Backlot Tour instead of just closing it means that the rumored HS expansion really just is a rumor... for now at least.

I mean, I'sure (hope even) that HS will be the next Park to have an expansion, after California Adventure, Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom...
 
The tour used to be a big part of what I thought of at DHS, but as it was in 1991. It just does not hold up now in its diminished and aging state.
I agree...this ride got old. It took such a long time, and not much changed over time. But I have to admit--they lost me on this ride when they got rid of the Golden Girls house.
 
You mean Disney isn't going to throw another half bil into a Star Wars expansion because they just bought it and we want it? ...but rather instead will work on the construction of an apple store next to WOD and beat the avatar thing with the marketing stick for the next 4 years?
All the while raising prices across the board?

I felt like I've seen this play before...

It's just the way it is...4 1/2 years in their flagship park and we are gonna get...an add on section with a few rides, rehashes, and the beast restaurant...in magic kingdom. Each day the reality of just how little they could care sinks a little deeper. Same stuff and new villas to pump people into it.

This is why I continue (in vain) to preach at just how underwhelming Disney has become in Florida.

But don't believe me...keep counting the retrofit of the Disney magic as a "solid investment in Florida"...as they attempt to con you with smoke and mirrors.

But the reality is...being proven yet again...is that it doesn't matter what I scream or how many Michael Bay rides they out up over at universal...it Just doesn't matter. Disney is insulated and that will not change anytime soon. Why bother worrying about being threatened in 20 years? That ball always gets kicked further down the fairway... It would seem.
 
I had the pleasure of talking to a seasonal cm about DHS. An expansion was mentioned that brought up past rumors of Cars Land and Star Wars in about 3 years. Also mentioned was that Avatar would be completed quckly. Hope the cm was correct.
 
The rumor suggests the building has trademark protection which prevents Disney from selling photos (photo pass) of guests with the building in the background. In a past thread a CM, or was it someone who knows a CM?, said Disney photographers are specifically told in their training not to take a picture of a guest with Graumanns Theater in the background.

There are some representations of the building registered as trademarks.

I'm aware of what the rumor suggests, and I'm telling you the rumor's basis is incorrect.

In a building built or designed post 1990, what you suggest about trademark or copyright would be perfectly valid. If it were built or designed post 1976, it would have limited protection.

Graumanns was built in 1926.

Disney can take, sell, and use, all the photos they want of the facade. They can even use them in promotional materials, if they want to.

I can't speak to rumors, or company rules. I can only tell you what the law says.

The law says: No copyright or trademark claims could be applied.

The only thing the owners of the theater could enforce would be the use of the actual NAME (Grauman's Chinese Theater or TCL Chinese Theater). But Disney doesn't use it. Not anywhere. Likely the representation of the facade you have seen copyrighted or trademarked involve the name being prominently displayed in the photo...thus, the trademark isn't of the facade, it's of the name. Which goes back to "you can add modifications or elements to the image to CREATE a trademark or copyrighted image".

That doesn't mean there isn't some OTHER reason Disney doesn't want to use the facade in promotional materials. But it's not copyright law or trademarks.

Here's another explanation (though the 1976 date reference in there isn't quite right...it was the beginning of the legislation, but it wasn't ultimately turned into hard restriction til 1990):

http://www.yesterland.com/removehat.html

In short, it's an urban legend.
 
My DF and I really like this ride and i hope it stays !! We even got chosen to participate in the show :thumbsup2 loved it so much more !
 
But... HS water tower "Trademark" is inside this ride. If they got rid of it, it would be like getting rid of the Epcot golf ball or the Cinderella Castle. I can't imagine them taking the water tower away. But since the Mickey wizard hat is more popular, that will probably become the new "trademark."

Take down the tank and put the hat in its place :duck:
 








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