Question for Homeschoolers????

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DS has Asperger's Syndrome and ADHD. He currently goes to a small Catholic school but I am thinking of homeschooling him again. I did it from K to 3rd grade. I had to stop because I became a single mom and had to go to work to support us. I am now a pregnant SAHM. DS is 13 and in the 8th grade. He seems to be having a lot of anxiety that is all school related. So I am toying with the idea of pulling him out and homeschooling. I am just not sure due to the age and the AS. Do any of you have any advice for me? Pros/Cons? I am willing to listen to it all.
In Florida we have a virtual school too. So that could be an option.
 
I've only got a 6 year old and we've always home schooled him, but I love it. We also have virtual (cyber) schools in PA and I do know many parents that have pulled their kids at different ages from public schools and all are doing wonderfully. Some had some trouble since the kids were against it, but it was for their own good, wrong kind of friends and such, and after a few months it was fine. I also don't know about the other Aspergers and ADHD myself, but my friends son has ADHD and multiple other issues, she pulled him from school and he's doing wonderfully also. I would think, esp since the problem is with the anxiety of it all, he'd be much better off at home, not having to deal with that.
I don't know if I helped, but I hope!!
Good Luck
 
Thank you for your thoughts. You are just reaffirming what I am thinking. I sent an email to DBF to find out his thoughts on it. I worry about the social aspect which is the only reason I keep in school. DBF is wondering how I will be able to school with a baby at home too. I figure that is the easy part. I posted before I researched the Virtual School...Unfortunately, because I will be pulling him out of private school he is not eligible for the virtual school. But I can homeschool him.
 
Hi--i live in Florida as well.

I would suggest you go to FPEA's website and find some support groups in your area. Then try to e-mail those groups for advice for your specific situation. That way you would have some local support.:goodvibes The state is divided into districts so you just find the district that is for your county and they will have the listing of support groups within your district.

I live in Brevard. While I have no children on the spectrum, our homeschool e-group is HUGE and there are lots of moms who would be able to help someone in your shoes trying to make a decision.

Also---lots of families educate with babies at home. Requires maybe a little more creativity in managing, but you can wear baby in a sling. Usually with older children, their education is parent directed by completed independently. I'm not sure if your son would require more hands on to make sure he is getting his work done. Baby's naptime would be the time to do some of the more dedicated work that requires more parental attention.

But it really isn't that bad with a baby around.
 

Another homeschooler here:goodvibes

Just wanted to jump in and mention that there are lots of other ways to 'socialize' besides just school. Extracurricular activities like sports, drama, martial arts, etc. Check to see if there are any homeschool co-ops in your area for additional activities & parent support.

I'm not sure what the laws are in FL, but in IL children can still get whatever 'special services' they need from the public school system, even if they are homeschooled. Not sure if that would apply to your situation.

My kids are 8, 4 1/2, and 20 months. HSing with a baby can be a little tricky, but not impossible. Remember that in the early days, babies do a LOT of sleeping. Once they get older, you just use those nap times to your best strategic advantage!

Good luck with whatever you decide. :)
 
Just thought I'd offer another perspective here. I am not a parent who home schools, but an adult who was homeschooled from 6th to 12th grade. My parents pulled my sister and I out of school after a safety incident in my 5th grade class. Also, the schools were run down and it was in general a very bad social environment.

Mom was a SAHM and she did a lot for us. My little sister took dance classes for 10 years. She was at the studio every weeknight. I took vocal lessons and eventually enrolled at the HS part time to take choir. We did so much. My sister and I are extremely well socialized if I may say so myself. :rotfl: "Socialization" is often a big concern with homeschoolers, but how socialized your kids will be is entirely up to you. As I said, a lot of the socialization in this school district was just destructive. My sister and I experienced much more positive socialization and learned to interact with people of many different ages better than most of our peers.

I also think that homeschooling could be highly beneficial for an Aspie. :goodvibes Some schools simply do not have the right resources or training to give AS kids the best environment and education. My best friend in HS had a little brother who has AS and the situation with his school was a nightmare. You know your son and his needs best. You may be able to give him a much better education than he could get at school, especially if one on one attention is what he really needs.

One last thought: If it doesn't work out, you can always put him back in school. KWIM? I would give it a shot.
 
I'm not sure what the laws are in FL, but in IL children can still get whatever 'special services' they need from the public school system, even if they are homeschooled. Not sure if that would apply to your situation.

Yes, students are entitled to services. I do know there are several in my homeschool group with children of varying needs who utilize the services of the county. Some augment with private therapy. Some are fine with the services of the county. In my county you get your services at the school you are zoned for. (I would presume if they didn't have them, then you would get some kind of waiver to go to a school that does provide what you need.)


Also--as long as the student is registered with the county and NOT a private school (aka 600 school in this state)--they could do things like sign up for Band, or drama, or cheerleading or the football team. You just have to be vigilant for proper sign up times.

I know a family whose daughter will go to the high school just for drama class as she wants more theater experience than what has been available to her in the homeschool community and they aren't ready to put her in community theater, yet.


Another thing--which may or may not be applicable--but homeschool children in high school can also do the dual enrollment program at state expense. However--you do pay for books. I am not sure if this is an option for the OP, but it is something worth knowing if college is in the future for any student.

www.fpea.org has some fantastic information. :)

I am able to look at my county (Brevard) website for the public schools and they have a homeschool handbook that tells you are the CORRECT information regarding homeschooling including forms you can use. I refer to it often since it is easy to locate (it doesn't contradict state law as it should be. :)).

As a mom who had to convince the dad--it is best to do your research. I know my DH wouldn't go away from the status quo without knowing what he needed to know. He actually signed us up for the FPEA convention when DD was 4ish (maybe 5, I can't remember). After attending he was quite satisfied to see not only the number of families but the incredible number of resources available to facilitate homeschoolers' needs.
 
Neither one of us is against homeschooling and both are interested in what is best for DS. So we discussed it tonight and have decided to homeschool. Now I just need to find curriculum!

Lisalovespooh: I have been looking at all of the laws for Florida. Am I correct in that the state does not have a list of required subjects? That just seems odd but I am willing to go with it. I know the basics: math, science, history, geography, literature and language arts. All the others are considered to be extra: music, art, foreign language. Do you have any other suggestions?

What do you guys think of Robinson curriculum? I know that Switched On Schoolhouse gets very good reviews.
 
Lisalovespooh: I have been looking at all of the laws for Florida. Am I correct in that the state does not have a list of required subjects? That just seems odd but I am willing to go with it. I know the basics: math, science, history, geography, literature and language arts. All the others are considered to be extra: music, art, foreign language. Do you have any other suggestions?

What do you guys think of Robinson curriculum? I know that Switched On Schoolhouse gets very good reviews.

When he gets into high school, he probably needs to have two years of the same foreign language.

I know a lot of people who use Alpha Omega, as well as a lot of families who use SonLight (and btw---SonLight has two great articles on their website. 27 reasons to love it and 27 reasons to hate it). The latter is more expensive, but is much more customizable than the former. I remember using Saxon for Math and Apologia for Science. Singapore Math is always highly rated as well.
 
Neither one of us is against homeschooling and both are interested in what is best for DS. So we discussed it tonight and have decided to homeschool. Now I just need to find curriculum!

Lisalovespooh: I have been looking at all of the laws for Florida. Am I correct in that the state does not have a list of required subjects? That just seems odd but I am willing to go with it. I know the basics: math, science, history, geography, literature and language arts. All the others are considered to be extra: music, art, foreign language. Do you have any other suggestions?

What do you guys think of Robinson curriculum? I know that Switched On Schoolhouse gets very good reviews.


Correct!

Different states have different laws. Some states are more strict than others. I child still has to develop commensorate (sp?) with their ability. It would look shady for example if your child had no math or science to speak of and would be evident in some way. But the state IMHO trusts that the parent is wise enough to adequately educate their children without mandating specific subjects.

However--if you want your son to qualify for any of the automatic state scholarships, you might consider teaching the courses that qualify for those. Also--if you intend on getting him in college, you would have to do a college prepartory (sp? again!) curriculum.

Personall--I would include some type of economics education at your sons ability level--things such as balancing a checkbook, budgeting--that kind of thing. A life skills class!

Foreign language tends to be required to get into college according to the state--but oddly when I was in college, they only required foreign language if you didn't already have it in high school.:confused3 Why would they do that if you need it to get in? :confused3

I've never heard of the Robinson curriculum.

I use Mother of Divine Grace--which is a Catholic classical curriculum. I'm not sure if you are Catholic, but since you sent your son to Catholic school, I thought I'd toss it out there.:goodvibes

I just sent this link to someone on my homeschool group, but it might be helpful for you as well as it is a PS introductory pack for freshman that helps you guide their high school career. I think it is somewhat helpful for a homeschooler who is trying to figure out how to navigate high school and how to make course decisions:

http://www.fldoe.org/APlusPlus/pdf/MAJORSGuideHSGraduation2007.pdf

The guide is from 2 school years ago, but I believe it is still current for its content. Page 7 in particular has some helpful questions that can help guide you. Page 5 lists the various course groupings for different tracks.

The only thing additional that you haven't mentioned would be electives and i would direct those to the things your son loves to learn about and things that would benefit your son in adult hood for his career choice (i.e. a computer class if he likes computers or a home study in building things or cooking if he likes cooking.)

Ignore the bottom of the chart on page 5 as we are not required to maintain a GPA nor is "testing" mandatory. It is an option for homeschoolers to satisfy state requirements, but it isn't mandatory.

HSLDA has the law regarding homeschooling in Florida and it is as it says.

In Summary,

*Letter to your district indicating your intention to homeschool within 30 days of starting a homeschool program. This is key--send it only when you want your annual date--as they stamp it when they get it. I sent mine a bit early, so my date is August 22--that is when the latter requirement is do. You only submit this letter once (unless you move--then you submit a letter saying you are stopping and resubmit a letter in your new county or follow your new state requirements if you left the state.)


*Maintain 2 years of portfolio from the time you commence homeschooling. So you would begin with current year--and maintain this years portfolio for 2 years (adding subsequent years--this year would drop off in 2 years). The portfolio only requires samples of work--it isn't every blessed thing you did--though I keep every blessed thing usually.


*Submit ANNUALLY on that date of your intent letter ONE of the following:

--Letter from Certified teacher who has completed a portfolio review (those take about 20 minutes of a teacher speaking with you and your student and reviewing work. Many are homeschool moms who have maintained certification and are quite homeschool friendly but compliant with the law.)

--Letter from Certified teacher that they have reviewed standardized test scores. (standardized test is NOT required, but you can use it. However a teacher reviewing the scores and submitting a letter and NOT the scores is the preferred method of homeschoolers--especially those who get all wiggy about providing more than is necessary to the state.)

--Standardized Test Scores (I do not remember if you can self test or not, we usually go to a proctored test through a homeschooling group--again it is preferred in the homeschooling community not to submit these directly even though you can. Again--you get some overzealous folks not wanting the govt to get any ideas that they SHOULD be submitted. So I just get it reviewed and send the review and not the scores.)

--I believe you can also opt for a psychological review and have that submitted. I don't know too many who choose this option.

That is it--unlike different states we do not have:
1. Attendance requirements or schooling time requirements (set number of hours per day or per year--some states do.:scared1:)
2. Course requirements. Solely up to you (i.e. my daughter hasn't had division yet--which was on her 3rd grade standardized test. That's b/c our curriculum of choice doesn't teach it until 4th grade. She's still getting math, just not in the right order--and her math score dipped a little. But no concerns as division is on its way.)

We are actually one of the easier states. The only state I can think of that is easier is Texas where I think you just notify the district.

We do have compulsory age requirements that I have blanked on. It goes to age 15 or 16--but I have heard various opinions on whether or not you should continue registering with the county but can't think of if it matters one way or the other.


Here's the manual from my county. It would apply to you as well regardless of county since the law cannot be overridden by any county with more strict rules. The addresses would NOT apply to you though. The Sample forms would work for you as well--though the address of where to send them is incorrect.
http://studentservices.brevard.k12.fl.us/Home Education Handbook.pdf
 
I have a DD12 with Asperger's/ADHD that I started homeschooling during her 5th grade year. I wouldn't change a thing. Putting her in public school would be like sending her to the wolves. As our Aspie kids get older, it gets harder for them to cope with the strenuous demands of school (deadlines, lots of homework, socialization issues, etc). They begin to stick out like a sore thumb to their classmates as being different, and, depending on the situation, could be a bad thing.

Now that we homeschool, we can work at her pace. If she's having a bad day, we can put aside our regular work and do something a little more "out of the box" or just take a break for a while. No more deadlines to cause anxiety. Not to say you shouldn't try to teach your child how to meet deadlines, but when homeschooling, you can do it in a more relaxed manner, without having to worry about dire consequences if he isn't able to succeed at first.

We don't use a boxed curriculum. We tried SOS, but DD (and I) hated it. The readings were over her head and were very textbook-like. The questions asked were confusing, and if you didn't put the answers in exactly right, you got the answer wrong, even though you may have actually gotten it right, just in different words. This year, we will be using:
History--TruthQuest History (literature based history program)
Math--Teaching Textbooks
Science--Apologia Science
Reading--Total Language Plus (along with the lit. we are reading for history)
Language Arts--Learning Language Arts Through Literature (as well as pulling
stuff out of other books I've picked up here and there that work on skills I
think are important for her to learn
Spanish--a friend from church is going to be teaching a co-op class. Lots of
people use Rosetta Stone (supposed to be really good, but it's expensive,
so we're trying the co-op class first)

Contact your local homeschooling chapter, and ask for suggestions there, too, of how to best help your son. You'll probably find that keeping him at home for school, you'll find that his level of anxiety will decrease significantly. Find less-threatening ways, outside of school, for him to be with other young teens (sports, youth group, clubs, etc).

BTW, we have a great homeschool chat group here on the DIS:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=33167395#post33167395

Hope you'll come join us there! There are actually several people on there with kids who have Asperger's, etc. You can get some great ideas here, as well as bounce your ideas off on others. Good luck! :flower3:
 
Here's a different point of view.

I teach in a large Catholic high school. One of the kids who just graduated has Asperger's. I taught him in SAT math prep as a Junior, so I saw him once a week, then he was in my study hall this year. So I knew him, but not incredibly well.

I think that being in a school enviornment did a world of good for Michael. I think he learned a lot about taking cues from the behavior of the other kids-- a skill that he'll need as an adult. The kids were kind to him. I'm not sure how many really knew the nature of his disorder, but they didn't react when he said something unexpected. (For example, in SAT prep one day we were talking about scholarships. He asked, out of curiosity, whether there are scholarships specifically targeted towards homosexuals. There wasn't a snicker or a funny look in the room. I took the question at face value, said I imagined there might be, and that anyone interested should hit google. Then class continued. And I might add that this was my roughest class that year. But they knew that Michael was not to be made fun of. )

I observed his Precalculus class a number of times-- I was the mentor of his math teacher. She had a deal with Michael-- he could ask up to 5 questions per class (but would answer as many as necessary after school.) It worked out well-- several times he had his hand up, she called on him, and he asked if it would count as one of his 5, then changed his mind about asking the question. But it cut down on his stream-of-consciousness questions and taught him a bit about considering whether or not a question was important.

I know that every child, every situation, is different. But I think that Michael's parents made the right choice in sending him to our school.
 
I guess you really need to look at the situation and decide what's best for the child, and look at how the school is handling the child, as well as how the child is handling school. Also, look at peer interaction. For Michael, it looks as though his peers were accepting of him and took him at face value. The teachers were understanding and tried to help him, too. For Sarah, my DD12, school was a nightmare. She had no friends. Kids picked on her, to the point that she began threatening people, which made the situation worse. The kids in her class would set her up, making her say things that would get her in trouble. She got put in In-School Suspension for a day b/c she told a girl (who she knew had said some mean things to another child, and was trying to stick up for that other child) that she was going to "take a whomping on you" (a phrase she had no idea what it even meant). She was told she was put in ISS b/c she had made a threat, even though she didn't understand what she had said :confused3 Another day, she got written up for jumping out from behind a corner and shouting "boo" to a classmate. If it had been anyone else, he wouldn't have cared, but b/c he knew that she would get in trouble for anything she did, he reported her for it (this happened AFTER I had notified the school that I was getting ready to pull her out of school). Kids at school were mean to her, wouldn't include her in anything, made fun of her, called her names, etc. Kids are good, though, and do this when no adults see it/hear it, so her teacher couldn't do anything to those students, b/c she couldn't catch them at it. Sarah was the only person who ever got in trouble...the kids who provoked her were not even spoken to. By 3rd grade, my daughter was suicidal. I expected my daughter to become the next Columbine shooter (no flames...I am completely serious). We had her on medications and had her in therapy b/c of all this. The thing that helped her the most was removing her from the school situation. All this happened in elementary school. I dare not think about what would have happened if we'd sent her to the middle school, where there is even less teacher supervision.

I think the OP needs to look at her son's situation and try to figure out what exactly IS causing his anxiety issues. There may be situations, such as these, that he just hasn't told her about (kids are embarrassed about things like this happening, don't want to worry their parents, or are afraid of disappointing their parents, and often try to hide it). After I pulled my DD out of school, she would get sick to her stomach when she had to go with me to the school to pick up her little sister (who, fortunately, is having a much better experience in school).

I will say, homeschooling a child with Asperger's has its challenges, but I know that I have done the right thing by my daughter. I will take the challenges, the tears, and the bad days, b/c I want to make sure my daughter is safe, happy, and able to learn in a non-threatening environment. She gets more positive socialization at youth group and dance classes. We will also be starting in American Heritage Girls this year, a faith-based scouting program, which I am hoping will help her to become a more positive person.

It's a personal choice that each person just needs to look at from many different angles. And keep in mind that what may work for one of your own children, may not work for another of your own children. You also can't worry about what "others" think...you have to do what YOU feel is best for YOUR child.
 
Unfortunately, because I will be pulling him out of private school he is not eligible for the virtual school. But I can homeschool him.

Actually, Florida has a couple of different virtual school options. K-12 Virtual School and Connections Academy are state-supported virtual schools where the students are actually considered public-schooled students. You use their curriculum, you play by their rules, they foot the bill and get to count your child's test scores (FCAT is required for these students). These Virtual Schools have limited enrollment and as a result only students who were in a traditional public school the previous year are eligible to sign up as new students.

The second option is FLVS. This is a true virtual school open to all students in Florida free of charge (well, not counting taxes, of course). It is also available to students in other states for a fee. It is for grades 6 - 12 and has won awards as one of the top virtual schools in the country. Florida has put a lot of time and effort into this and has developed an excellent program. Students can take a full course load or pick and choose between courses. There are no requirements for admission, no hours to keep, no FCAT. As a homeschooler you do have to prove that you are registered with the county. Using the umbrella school option would make you a private school student and you would register as such.

So a virtual school may still be an option for you--check out www.flvs.net.
 
mom2att: Have you used FLVS? I know that we had two options but I swore that I had read that FLVS was not a valid option in Escambia County. I could be wrong. LOL Ever since we made the decision I have been looking up curriculum's and trying to figure out what would work best for DS. And a lot of what I am looking at for 8th grade he did last year in 7th grade. Mostly the reading/literature part. But still. Anyway, any advice you have would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
Avoidance of anxiety seems to be a good solution at the time - but in the long run, when is the child going to learn how to deal with the anxiety? You are just teaching avoidance as a way of not having to deal with an issue, instead of figuring out how to resolve the issue, aren't you?
 
Avoidance of anxiety seems to be a good solution at the time - but in the long run, when is the child going to learn how to deal with the anxiety? You are just teaching avoidance as a way of not having to deal with an issue, instead of figuring out how to resolve the issue, aren't you?

No. I have talked to both his pediatrician and psychologist before making this decision. He is only 13 and too young for anxiety medication in my opinion. He has Asperger's Syndrome, a type of Autism. He cannot learn to deal with the anxiety. They just don't have the skills to do so. But thank you for your thoughts just the same.
 
No. I have talked to both his pediatrician and psychologist before making this decision. He is only 13 and too young for anxiety medication in my opinion. He has Asperger's Syndrome, a type of Autism. He cannot learn to deal with the anxiety. They just don't have the skills to do so. But thank you for your thoughts just the same.



I work with students who have been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. Yes, they can learn the skills to deal with anxiety. To say that they can't sets such horrible limits on them. It's hard, you need a good team at the school, and follow through at home, but it can be done.
 
We homeschool. I have an Aspie son. He struggles in large group settings a LOT.

He does have to deal with groups, but they are somewhat controlled.

Boyscouts
Art Classes
Church
Golf lessons

We have found various curricula to meet his needs but it is a quest......all Aspies are different. Mine struggles with reading and writing, but excells in math and science. He loves logic and strategy and we try to capitalize on that with finding books along those lines.

Come join us on the HS forum.....getting ideas from folks who don't fully understand homeschooling isn't going to help you right now.

Dawn
 
And it can be done through homeschooling as well.

Dawn

I work with students who have been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. Yes, they can learn the skills to deal with anxiety. To say that they can't sets such horrible limits on them. It's hard, you need a good team at the school, and follow through at home, but it can be done.
 

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