Question about forcloses

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Hello, we have a family member who is losing her home in 2 weeks. She doesnt want to fight it because she cannot afford the payments since they both have had to take significant paycuts after being unemployed for a couple of months. Can the house sell for less than they owe and would they then have to find the money to make up the diff? They are in MI and I havent been able to find out much info to help them. I feel so bad for her, they have owned the house for 3 years. Also like any other debt would they have to pay taxes on the sale? I am so unfamiliar with this type of thing. Thanks for any insights!
 
I am so sorry to hear of their rough times. Its probably hard for them to believe it now, but one day things will be better.
I thought, and I can be wrong about this- that the bank has to take a bid (when reselling it) that would satisfy the debt owed.
Again, I can be wrong I am going by memory of when we bid on a forclosure.
My heart aches when I think of the family. Anyway, we were told the bids were sealed and that the person with the highest bid would get the house but that their was a minimum the bank needed to satisfy the debt.
This was in the state of PA.
Good luck to them for a happier future.
 
I"m pretty sure that they (the bank) sells it for what they can get and then she (your family member) will be legally responsible for the difference, same way it's done when a car is repossessed.

So if she owes $150,000 on the house and they can only sell it for $125,000, she will still be in debt to them for $25,000.

Kimya
 
The sale date is in 2 weeks or the bank is putting it in foreclosure in 2 weeks? They could file a Ch. 7 bankruptcy if they don't want to keep the house. They wouldn't be liable for the shortage between what the bank gets for it and what they owe. They wouldn't be paying taxes on the home if the bank sold it because it's the banks, not theirs once there is a judgement of foreclosure and a sale date.

If they wanted to keep it, I would suggest a chapter 13 bankruptcy to stop the foreclosure proceeding. Of course if they cannot afford the monthly payments, this probably isn't an option for them.

They should contact an attorney to discuss their options.
 

LadyyRedd said:
I"m pretty sure that they (the bank) sells it for what they can get and then she (your family member) will be legally responsible for the difference, same way it's done when a car is repossessed.

So if she owes $150,000 on the house and they can only sell it for $125,000, she will still be in debt to them for $25,000.

Kimya

This is the way I understood it also, unless they declared bankruptcy then they wouldn't owe the balance. Of course, this was before the bankruptcy laws changed and of course, I could be entirely wrong.

I also think they could file a personal lien at the county courthouse and that if they ever come into money through a lawsuit, inheritance, lottery winnings, or any kind of prize winnings that they could be attached. Again, I could be wrong.

They definately need to contact an attorney.
 
I know this wasn't your question... but I've always wondered why people allow a home to be foreclosed without even trying to sell it themselves??? Anyone know the answer?
 
The answer will vary depending upon state law. For example, in NC, the starting bid in the foreclosure sale must be the total payoff on the loan, together with the costs of the foreclosure, and no one can bid below that amount. The debtor would then have no additional liability, under most circumstances. So, in NC, the property couldn't sell at foreclosure for less than what is owed. It also may make a difference in NC whether it was the original loan to puchase the property, or if has been refinanced and additional principal added.

They need to see an attorney in their state to determine what rights they have.

Pugdog: The majority of the people I see in bankruptcy have so little equity in their house that they couldn't afford to sell the home, especially if a real estate commission is involved, and they don't have the extra money required to close the sale. I also have seen people who seemed amazed that the bank is taking "their" house, that it never occured to try to sell it. Other times, the foreclosure is caused by a marital breakup, and neither party will work with the other to get it sold.
 
Well I can give you one scenario....Mine!
Of course our case was not the norm.;)
Our house was foreclosed on in May of 2000. But, it was due to the arrogance, the fraud and the incompetence of the companies involved. Our first mortgage company kept saying we owed two payments and would not accept any other payments, even though we kept asking for proof of the two owed payments. At the time it only should have been one payment, and that was because they had LOST a payment! One which we tried to get them to tell us something about. (we were sending each and every payment by certified mail due to earlier problems with them, so we know that they had gotten it).
However, after wrangling with them for two months, before we could get a lawyer involved, they sold the mortgage to another mortgage company, one out of state mind you.

Well we then proceeded to go through everything all again with them. They too wouldn't accept any of our payments saying we had to get the other payments current! We kept telling them, the only problem was with the lost payment and that it was only one payment. However, they too absolutely refused to audit the account, tell us what was going on, etc....

And, even after getting notice from the lawyer we were then using, they refused to do anything and foreclosed on us.

Moving on to a few years later, they both lost in court. The first company had been hiding a payment (one which they had received years earlier, but had misapplied, but still wanted to collect, even after the lawyer we used then told them they could not), and the second payment, the one they lost was actually paid from monies in escrow. We never were behind any payments! And, they were caught falsifying records in court. Our lawyer (different guy than the first two), burned their rumps! Using their own papers, no less.:) The second company also lost because they had refused to honor the contract, which meant they refused to do their job.

Well we just got the payments last week from all of this. Six years later!
However, we never thought of selling our home to take care of this 'supposed' debt. We knew we were in the right and our case was based on a proper audit being done on the account, which never happened.

As for the first payment they were asking for, it was a payment that had been made before we filed chapter 13 in 1994 because of our daughter's extreme medical bills (we could not get any financial help the first few years). And our bankruptcy lawyer told them that they could not collect on it, they should have said something in bankruptcy court originally. And, they then hid the payment, since they knew I had a 'bad' habit of keeping good records:), and they figured that they would ask for it when we came out from under the protection of the federal court. Which they did. They started trying to collect on it the very month after we paid out our bankruptcy!

And, that is one reason why people don't sell their house......:)
I know....Pop Daddy, long long post. :lmao:
Kim
 
Pugdog007 said:
I know this wasn't your question... but I've always wondered why people allow a home to be foreclosed without even trying to sell it themselves??? Anyone know the answer?


Most are in denial.


-----> If you get in a bind, lose your job, experience something that will make you late paying your mortgage, CALL THEM ASAP. Most, if not all mortgage companies want to help you keep your house and will offer a repayment plan. But you have to call!! Don't avoid the situation!!
 
There are so many homes forsale and or forclosed on in their county. (They are in Lapeer County) I asked her if they talked to a realtor, they did but didnt get much help. They said it would take too long to sell the house. I know they are young (both 23) and will bounce back. But I just feel so bad for her. They bought the house 3 years ago for $198,000. I hope they can get enough at auction to satisfy the bank.
Thanks everyone!
 
If they haven't lived in the house for 2 years and they sell it for more than they paid, they'd have to pay a capital gains tax. But, they owned it for 3 years, so they'd get a credit against the capital gains of $500,000 and would likely owe nothing.

But, they would be responsible for the deficiency if the bank doesn't get what's owed at auction. Keep in mind they'll owe more than the balance - there are fees and interest that will accrue and they'll add that on to the total.

I hope they're able to bounce back quickly. They're young, so I'm sure they'll be homeowners again and they'll be fine. ::yes::
 


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