Queen Elizabeth funeral and looking forward

[tennisfan]

So we won't be getting an extra bank holiday then - boo!
King Charles is said to want a scaled down coronation, so I'm guessing that's why it's going to be on a Saturday.

Hasn't been ruled out yet. Most likely they will move the 1st May bank holiday to the following Monday after the Coronation

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

One of the things I'm curious about for the Coronation is what he will wear.

 

[ronandannette]

King Charles coronation will be held at Westminster Abbey on Saturday May 6th 2023

Apparently, it's Archie's 4th birthday. I wonder if the Sussex's will like the coronation date or resent it?

 

[Marrila]

Apparently, it's Archie's 4th birthday. I wonder if the Sussex's will like coronation date or resent it?

I'd hope they were polite about the date.
Most parents would shift the birthday party by a few days. Opening their presents, having cake and ice cream early isn't a huge problem for many kids.

 

[ronandannette]

I'd hope they were polite about the date.
Most parents would shift the birthday party by a few days. Opening their presents, having cake and ice cream early isn't a huge problem for many kids.

I'm not sure if we've heard yet if they will even be present. If the Crown can be relied on as a source, I think the event is invitation only and, for example, the Duke of Windsor was not included at Elizabeth's Coronation.

 

[Marrila]

I'm not sure if we've heard yet if they will even be present. If the Crown can be relied on as a source, I think the event is invitation only and, for example, the Duke of Windsor was not included at Elizabeth's Coronation.

I would think as family members they would be invited. They might be seated in the rows with the non-working royals.

 

[mamamia2005]

Hasn't been ruled out yet. Most likely they will move the 1st May bank holiday to the following Monday after the Coronation

Yes I'd read that rumour too. The King has said it's for the government to decide.
I'm not sure if that will happen - calendars / diaries will have already been printed for next year and last time a bank hol was moved it caused a commotion for those reasons.
Would have been far more sensible to have the coronation on Fri 28th or Sat 29th April imo, then it would have already been a bank holiday weekend as Mayday is already on Monday 1st May. But nobody asked me lol!

 

[NotUrsula]

I'm not sure if we've heard yet if they will even be present. If the Crown can be relied on as a source, I think the event is invitation only and, for example, the Duke of Windsor was not included at Elizabeth's Coronation.

That had more to do with the Queen Mother than anything else; she HATED the Duke and especially, the Duchess, and refused to be in the same room with them if she could help it. I'm sure that they were left off the list in deference to her, particularly since she blamed them for her husband's death (and of course, that he had died was the reason that there was to be a coronation.)

I don't think anyone in the family hates Harry; they do love him, they just feel like they can't trust him. (I imagine it's a bit like having a drug addict in the family, which is something that a lot of families struggle with.)

As to Archie's birthday, the tabloid press is trying to stir up trouble there and say that the Sussexes are put out, but I really doubt it. Four isn't one of the milestone birthdays, so I doubt they have really planned this far ahead for it. Also, at four, you could tell a kid that any day was his birthday, and he would believe you and not notice at all if it changed the following year; they are not calendar-literate yet at that age, and one date is much the same as another in their minds. (They might notice if it was during a totally different season, but that's about it.)

 

[Karin1984]

Apparently, it's Archie's 4th birthday. I wonder if the Sussex's will like the coronation date or resent it?

I think the date was not a snub, because there are so many factors (I presume) to take into account with an event like this. I do think the royal family sees it as a bonus. If Harry and Meghan are invited, it would basically force them to bring the kids with them to the UK. If Lili is bound to the queen forever due to sharing a name, Archie (who wasn't named after anyone) can share a bond forever with Charles.

And you can say that Archie won't notice, because he's only 4. That is true for the average kid. But this is a kid living in the public eye and every move of him and/or his parents is written down. If they fool him about this, in 10 years from now he either is going to google himself or his classmates are going to tell him. At a certain point he would realize... they did what? Teenagers probably don't react kindly to it.
If they just do presents in the morning and then have the party a day later, I think it should be fine. How many times doesn't that happen when your birthday was during the week. You also had your party during the weekend.

If they will be invited, and if Archie and Lili get their titles... it will all depend on the Netflix show and the book and what's in it.

 

[Marrila]

I think the date was not a snub, because there are so many factors (I presume) to take into account with an event like this. I do think the royal family sees it as a bonus. If Harry and Meghan are invited, it would basically force them to bring the kids with them to the UK. If Lili is bound to the queen forever due to sharing a name, Archie (who wasn't named after anyone) can share a bond forever with Charles.

And you can say that Archie won't notice, because he's only 4. That is true for the average kid. But this is a kid living in the public eye and every move of him and/or his parents is written down. If they fool him about this, in 10 years from now he either is going to google himself or his classmates are going to tell him. At a certain point he would realize... they did what? Teenagers probably don't react kindly to it.
If they just do presents in the morning and then have the party a day later, I think it should be fine. How many times doesn't that happen when your birthday was during the week. You also had your party during the weekend.

If they will be invited, and if Archie and Lili get their titles... it will all depend on the Netflix show and the book and what's in it.

Goodness. Fool him? Just tell him when he was 4 he got to go to two big parties. His own and Grampy's. There's no reason for this to be upsetting.

 

[Karin1984]

Goodness. Fool him? Just tell him when he was 4 he got to go to two big parties. His own and Grampy's. There's no reason for this to be upsetting.

We are talking about Harry and Meghan's son. His parents get upset quite easily. So it seems ;-) If he takes after them...

 

[Marrila]

We are talking about Harry and Meghan's son. His parents get upset quite easily. So it seems ;-) If he takes after them...

I understand what you are saying. I think the parent will go to the UK. I hope they bring the nannies and kids.
Even if the Cali kids are too young for the ceremony, maybe they can attend some family events that include little children.

 

[ronandannette]

Goodness. Fool him? Just tell him when he was 4 he got to go to two big parties. His own and Grampy's. There's no reason for this to be upsetting.

Or just not have a 4th birthday party, beyond presents and a cake with family. That's the kind of thing almost all normal children wouldn't ever remember. Heck, most of us didn't have memorable birthday parties every single year of our childhoods.

When I made the initial comment, I wasn't actually thinking of Archie, himself, at all. More about H & M, and whether it will end up somehow as fodder for resentment or if they will see it as a pleasing connection.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I would think as family members they would be invited. They might be seated in the rows with the non-working royals.

Yes, possibly. But as the son of the King being coronated, I’d think he’d be given a more prominent position, working or not. As a pp said, a lot of it will probably depend upon what the Netflix and book deals bring forward, in terms of what their relationships will look like after that and whether they’ll even be invited. What a mess.

 

[NotUrsula]

Scuttlebutt I've heard from a few quarters is that Charles is considering buying out the rights to kill the book. IMO, that's probably the only way they can manage to get the damaging material retracted; Penguin/Random House has sunk a LOT of cash into that title; and they won't walk away without getting what it would have been worth. (Penguin Random House is a US-licensed company, but it's part of a German-owned conglomerate, Bertelsmann Media.)

PS: To clarify, I meant that CRIII would buy the rights with Harry's cooperation; if Harry was agreeable that writing such a book turned out to be a mis-step, but did not have the cash flow to return the enormous advance he got for it.

As P-RH is a US-based publisher, US law applies, so Harry automatically owns copyright to the intellectual content of the work unless he voluntarily signed it away to a 3rd party. (Of course, it was ghostwritten, but standard US contract terms for ghostwriters always include a forfeiture of any claim to copyright.). Fwiw, given the presumed sensational nature of the content, it's fairly likely that there was a buyout clause in the contract, outlining exactly what Harry would owe P-RH if he decided to back out of the deal after a certain point.

 

[ronandannette]

Scuttlebutt I've heard from a few quarters is that Charles is considering buying out the rights to kill the book. IMO, that's probably the only way they can manage to get the damaging material retracted; Penguin/Random House has sunk a LOT of cash into that title; and they won't walk away without getting what it would have been worth. (Penguin Random House is a US-licensed company, but it's part of a German-owned conglomerate, Bertelsmann Media.)

Is that even something an individual can do, right out-from-under the author? I have no knowledge of these things; is the manuscript now the exclusive property of the publisher or is there still some aspect of it being Harry's intellectual property? It's possible this might actually come as a relief to him, if he's been trying to "walk it back" but the publishers won't let him.

 

[FigmentSpark]

Is that even something an individual can do, right out-from-under the author? I have no knowledge of these things; is the manuscript now the exclusive property of the publisher or is there still some aspect of it being Harry's intellectual property? It's possible this might actually come as a relief to him, if he's been trying to "walk it back" but the publishers won't let him.

It probably depends. They might have all the publishing rights to the book, but Harry would retain the rights as author. They might just have the first printing rights. If he's smart, he negotiated to retain and later sell the movie/tv rights. If he's not, then the publisher might have bought those too.

For example, L.J. Smith wrote the Vampire Diaries. Later, she sold the rights to make it into a TV show. When she did that, she also sold the rights to the characters so they could be developed by someone else. Later, when she wanted to write new stories for her version of the characters, she couldn't do it as the author. She had to do it as "fan fiction", since she no longer owned the rights to the characters.

Contrast that with a very savvy J.K. Rowling who may have sold some rights so her books could be turned in to a movie franchise and even a theme park, but she retained all rights to her work and was able to be very involved in the movies and even in the them park development.

So, it depends on what Harry signed.

Anyway, even if KC bought the rights, he'd have to buy the rights to the story to kill it or Harry could just write another memoire. Or leak the same info via another format, like a podcast. I think, without Harry's consent, KC buying up the rights could backfire. How do you buy the rights to a person's life story? Characters and fiction - yes, but his life is another thing. And if Harry did write another one which looked very much like the first, how would KC fight for the rights without revealing the contents of the first, buried memoire?

 

[anniemae]

Scuttlebutt I've heard from a few quarters is that Charles is considering buying out the rights to kill the book. IMO, that's probably the only way they can manage to get the damaging material retracted; Penguin/Random House has sunk a LOT of cash into that title; and they won't walk away without getting what it would have been worth. (Penguin Random House is a US-licensed company, but it's part of a German-owned conglomerate, Bertelsmann Media.)

Well that stinks, I wanted to read the book . I understand the family wants to squash it, but man it would have been a good read.

 

[ford family]

Well that stinks, I wanted to read the book . I understand the family wants to squash it, but man it would have been a good read.

But would it have been in the fiction or nonfiction section?

ford family

 

[Karin1984]

Well that stinks, I wanted to read the book . I understand the family wants to squash it, but man it would have been a good read.

It really depends on how toned down it is. If they do release it, could be also terribly boring. When you're done, you think: this is it?

Whatever way they go, Harry is screwed:
- If it's toned down to not disturb the family, the public will roll its eyes at a boring book, press will savage him for saying it's his 'true story as the man he has become', Penguin might feel cheated even when they make money.
- If it is rebellious, the bond with his family in the UK will be forever ruined, it could win over some people in the public, but also turn more people against him, the press will savage him for airing the dirty laundry.