Possible Caribbean tidal wave (tsunami)

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&e=10&u=/ap/caribbean_tsunami_threat

Saw this and thought I would pass along. We were on the Magic 12/26/04 and this event got us thinking about it happening in the Carib.

One thing the article does not mention is that in saying they expect a earthquake every 50 years. They didn't mention that the Dom. Rep. experienced a 6.5 in Sept 2003. It was on the island itself and not at sea. So no tidal wave.

Hope this doesn't spook anyone. Anything can happen, anywhere.

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Scientists predict killer tsunamis could strike the Caribbean, which lacks a warning system even though its seabed is gouged by some of the world's deepest trenches, where the giant waves can be generated by tectonic activity, and its low-lying islands are heavily populated along their coastlines.

The last tsunami struck the Caribbean in 1946, before island populations skyrocketed, major construction dotted shorelines and the region developed into a prized tourist destination attracting 17 million visitors last year.

"The Caribbean is a very dangerous place for tsunamis," said Uri ten Brink, a U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites) geologist in Woods Hole, Mass., and co-author of an article on the threat in the Journal of Geophysical Research. "The Caribbean needs a tsunami warning system."

The article was published two days before a Dec. 26 earthquake under the Indian Ocean generated a tsunami that killed at least 157,000 people in 11 nations. The quake occurred along the long north-south fault in the Earth's crust where the edge of the Indian tectonic plate dives below the Burma plate, forming the Sunda Trench.


That trench is about 25,000 feet deep.


The Puerto Rico Trench — one of the deepest in the world at 27,355 feet — is a 560-mile-long underwater canyon and fault line running parallel to this U.S. island territory and east of the Lesser Antilles islands.

Seismic tensions in the Puerto Rico, Hispaniola and Cayman trenches ringing the Caribbean force tectonic plates to sink under one another as they collide, producing earthquakes, underwater landslides or tsunamis.

A tsunami is a series of waves formed by a disturbance in sea level over a short period of time, such as an earthquake, underwater volcanic eruption or coastal landslide.

In the deep and open ocean, the waves can travel at up to 600 mph but be no more than 2 feet high, making them imperceptible to the human eye.

The last fatal tsunami here occurred in 1946 when an 8.1-magnitude earthquake in the Hispaniola Trench triggered waves that killed an estimated 1,700 people in the Dominican Republic and Haiti, ten Brink said.


Major earthquakes erupt about every 50 years in the Caribbean, a region where even minor natural disasters can kill thousands because of environmental degradation, shoddy construction and the many people who live in coastal areas or on low-lying islands.


The Caribbean has an effective hurricane warning system and a number of tidal gauges to measure sea height. But it lacks a centralized system to alert all islands to a tsunami.


The United States uses a system called Deep-ocean Assessment and Reporting of Tsunamis, or DART, with pressure recorders anchored to the sea floor detecting tsunamis of less than a half-inch in height. A link transmits data to a buoy that relays information to alert centers via satellite.


There are only six DART buoys in the world and they are all in the northeast Pacific Ocean, Brink said. Last week, the U.S. government announced a $37.5 million plan to put 32 DART buoys in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans by mid-2007.


From 1900 to 2001, there were 796 tsunamis observed or recorded in the Pacific, according to the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center.


"There is a real risk from tsunamis in the Caribbean, but the risk is small when compared to other earthquake hazards over history such as buildings collapsing and fires," said Lloyd Lynch, a seismological engineer at the Seismic Research Unit in Trinidad. "But that could change. We're more vulnerable now because of recent coastal development."


One reason the Asian tsunami proved so deadly was that a 750-mile plate lifted as the pressure built, producing a magnitude 9.0 quake. Because the Caribbean trenches are shorter, they would be unlikely to produce such a strong eruption, ten Brink said.

Still, because of development and population growth, an 8.1-magnitude earthquake followed by a tsunami could be much deadlier than the 1946 wave, he said.

Members of the Caribbean Disaster Emergency Response Agency will meet in May with scientists and disaster coordinators to discuss the need for an early warning system, said Terry Ally, a spokesman for the Barbados-based agency.

"It's a matter of time before a tsunami happens in the Caribbean," said Christa von Hillebrandt, director of the Puerto Rico Seismic Network. "All the ingredients are there."
 
"It's a matter of time before a tsunami happens in the Caribbean," said Christa von Hillebrandt, director of the Puerto Rico Seismic Network. "All the ingredients are there."

I think it's important to note that "a matter of time" from a geological perspective could be tens of thousands of years or even significantly longer. Strictly speaking, "it's a matter of time" before our Sun changes to the point that our planet will no longer support life as we know it.

That doesn't mean a tsunami couldn't happen today or that appropriate warning systems and preparations should be created, but it's not something I'm going to lose a nanosecond of sleep over.
 
You had to know it was going to happen. Now that this latest tsunami hit EVERY scientist trying to get published is going around saying "(country) is set up for a killer tsunami". If a major volcano went off today, they would all stop talking about tsunami's and start in on "(country) is set up for a killer volcano".

It's funny that no one has ever heard a word about how dangerous the Carribean is for tsunami's until recently.
 
From what I understand, the waves don't get big until they hit shore. So you'd be OK on the ship, but not right at the port, but it depends very heavily on the underwater geography.
 

No, their big at sea too they just dont have the hanging crest. They attain that at shallower depths. At sea they can still topple ships. However they probably wouldn't do much to a cruise vessel. I think you'd be safe.
 
G00fyDad said:
No, their big at sea too they just dont have the hanging crest. They attain that at shallower depths. At sea they can still topple ships. However they probably wouldn't do much to a cruise vessel. I think you'd be safe.


I'm not trying to argue - I really don't know much about this. I read this article, though, which is what gave me the impression that it wasn't a big deal until it hit the underwater shelf:

Aurora alderman survived tsunami at sea
 
I just wanted to say that Tidal Waves and Tsunamis are two different things.
 
G00fyDad said:
However they probably wouldn't do much to a cruise vessel. I think you'd be safe.
I can't help but add a little lightness here, as I sit here humming the Morning After from the Poseidon Adventure movie....
Sorry I really couldn't help myself........ :rolleyes:
 
If it does happen to them I hope they have Gene Hackman to turn over a tree for em. LOL :)
 
G00fyDad said:
true but all I meant was the waves caused by the earthquake can still be very dangerous.


Well, I certainly wouldn't want to try it out in any case! :earboy2:
 
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G00fyDad said:
You had to know it was going to happen. Now that this latest tsunami hit EVERY scientist trying to get published is going around saying "(country) is set up for a killer tsunami".

I thought the same thing too until I re-read the article.

The article was published two days before a Dec. 26 earthquake under the Indian Ocean generated a tsunami that killed at least 157,000 people in 11 nations.

Bet it spooked him!
 
Miss Jasmine said:
I just wanted to say that Tidal Waves and Tsunamis are two different things.

I thought so too, but this is the definition of a tidal wave. :confused3

tidal wave:

NOUN: 1. The swell or crest of surface ocean water created by the tides. 2a. An unusual, often destructive rise of water along the seashore, as from a storm or a combination of wind and high tide. b. A tsunami. 3. An overwhelming manifestation; a flood: a tidal wave of illicit drugs; an emotional tidal wave.
 
Hercules10 said:
I thought so too, but this is the definition of a tidal wave. :confused3

tidal wave:

NOUN: 1. The swell or crest of surface ocean water created by the tides. 2a. An unusual, often destructive rise of water along the seashore, as from a storm or a combination of wind and high tide. b. A tsunami. 3. An overwhelming manifestation; a flood: a tidal wave of illicit drugs; an emotional tidal wave.

They could be different based on where they happen?

For example, in the Atlantic we have Hurricanes, in the Pacific they are Typhoons...?
 
if a tsunami/tidal wave hits, a cruise ship should be fine as long as it is not in dock when it hits ... it might just endure some rought seas (i.e. 20 ft swells) out at sea ... in dock, it would be pummelled.
 
A tidal wave is caused by the tide. A tsunami is caused by an earthquake or other disturbance.
 
I think with the technology onboard modern day cruise ships like the DCL ships they would see one coming. Again not an expert either but I've been told ships that size are alright as long as they can turn into into,not be broadsided?

I remember tsunami warnings all the time when we lived in Hawaii when I was a kid. All I remember from those days is if you see the water go out...run for the high ground. Seemed logical since what went out was going to come back, not in a good way :(

There's been a theory running around about a collapsing volcano in the canary islands that could cause a tsunami that would wipe out the islands of the caribbean and damage the east coast and florida. Other scientist rebuff this theory (saying the collapse would be gradual) and say if you're going to worry about anything on the east coast..worry about hurricanes.

Of course this all comes up a couple of months before I take my first cruise :earboy2: Go fig! I'm not going to worry about.
 

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