Political: Its been a week or more and still no lawsuit....

[spearenb]

by Kerry that is.... This seems to me that his lawyers are as inept as he is. Though on the other hand, the lawyers are probably advising that they don't have a case against the SBV authors, SBV publishers, or the TV stations that play the SBV ads.

Where is that great communicator now? Can't Kerry just talk to these people and they will do what he wants?

John Kerry, he's never met a side of an issue that he couldn't support!!!

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by spearenb
by Kerry that is.... This seems to me that his lawyers are as inept as he is. Though on the other hand, the lawyers are probably advising that they don't have a case against the SBV authors, SBV publishers, or the TV stations that play the SBV ads.

Where is that great communicator now? Can't Kerry just talk to these people and they will do what he wants?

John Kerry, he's never met a side of an issue that he couldn't support!!!

So, were you one of the 1700 that lost jobs in WV during July ? Or maybe one of the 1.4 million that fell under the poverty level for the first time last year ?

Is it any wonder republicans want to try to lie and make Kerry into something he's not ? They CAN'T run on their record, because their record is one of MISERABLE FAILURE

Oh, and speaking of flip flops:

Shrub in 2000 (when, SURPIRSE, a "shadowy" group was attacking John McCain's war record): "That's part of the American - let me finish. That's part of the American process," said Bush. "There have been ads, independent expenditures, that are saying bad things about me. I don't particularly care when they do, but that's what freedom of speech is all about ... You know, let me - let me say something to you. People have the right to run ads. They have the right to do what they want to do, under the - under the First Amendment in America."

Shrub in 2004 (when...shock...yet another "shadowy" veterans group is attacking John Kerry's war record...but he is ALSO getting a taste of his own medicine from MoveOn): Bush, McCain to Sue to Stop 527 Ads

Gee...Looks like a *gasp* flip flop to me

 

[spearenb]

Good morning Revy! It looks like you woke up in a good mood today! Are you tired from your walk?

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by spearenb
Good morning Revy! It looks like you woke up in a good mood today! Are you tired from your walk?

Man I wish

We watched the coverage on CSPAN yesterday, and at the EXACT same time I said "Man, I wish I was there", my DW said "Boy, I'm glad we're not there" She's liberal, just not quite as adamant about it as I am

Might make the trip to Parkersburg next Saturday though...Understand there could be quite a few protesters there.

 

[brittsmum1998]

I've tried real hard to stay out of the politics on these boards BUT as someone who has lived in Massachusetts all her life and been voting for the last 20 yrs.... The ONLY reason I've heard of John Kerry is because of the kethup thing. He has done NOTHING!!! at all for this state. I find it amazing that everyone voting for Kerry has failed to mention anything!!! that he has done in the senate. And by the way....MANY people from Massachusetts move to NH and farther to get OUT of Massachusetts. They aren't busting down the doors to get in....so be careful what you wish for

 

[spearenb]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Man I wish

We watched the coverage on CSPAN yesterday, and at the EXACT same time I said "Man, I wish I was there", my DW said "Boy, I'm glad we're not there" She's liberal, just not quite as adamant about it as I am

Might make the trip to Parkersburg next Saturday though...Understand there could be quite a few protesters there.

Well, you can arrange a walk for yourself.... as you know, the I-77 corrador is lovely this time of year!!!

 

[Crankyshank]

Most people are leaving MA because home prices have skyrocketed and they can't afford to live in MA any longer, not because of John Kerry or other politicians.

 

[Pete's Mom]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Man I wish

Just promise to keep your clothes on.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Pete's Mom
Just promise to keep your clothes on.

No worries there, I promise...Wouldn't want to scare everyone off

 

[peachgirl]

The ONLY reason I've heard of John Kerry is because of the kethup thing. He has done NOTHING!!! at all for this state.

Apparently he's done enough to keep getting re-elected. No one lasts nearly 20 years in the Senate if they do "nothing".

The Republican strategy is to portray Kerry as having accomplished very little in his Senate career simply because his focus wasn't on sponsoring bills and cutting deals.

It's a smart move, but for those who don't just swallow anything they're told, it's easy enough to see that the claim is not true.

Just one example...

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html

"Kerry developed a very different record of accomplishment--one often as vital, if not more so, than passage of bills. Kerry's probe didn't create any popular new governmental programs, reform the tax code, or eliminate bureaucratic waste and fraud. Instead, he shrewdly used the Senate's oversight powers to address the threat of terrorism well before it was in vogue, and dismantled a key terrorist weapon. In the process, observers saw a senator with tremendous fortitude, and a willingness to put the public good ahead of his own career. Those qualities might be hard to communicate to voters via one-line sound bites, but they would surely aid Kerry as president in his attempts to battle the threat of terrorism."

 

[Saffron]

This is an honest question: How many years has Kerry been in any elected office in Mass? I'm just wondering because I have no idea. It seems to me, it's been at least 20 years though. Has it been longer that he's held a position in any elected office? If he is so awful, how did he keep getting re-elected? Those are honest questions, I really don't know the answer and I'm not interested enough to do any research to find out.

 

[bsnyder]

He was first elected to the Senate in 1984 and he's been re-elected 3 times.

 

[wvrevy]

But see, that's the problem, Peachgirl....Kerry is a man of nuance, where-as Bush is more of a "straight shooter". (Personally, I think that he's incapable of seeing most nuance, but that's just me ) Unfortunately, people only watch for sound bites, and that's how we end up in messes like Iraq. Rather than looking at the deeper issue (what happens after the initial fighting is over), we focused only on the obvious military victory over Saddam's "army". There was NEVER a doubt that we would rout the Iraqi army. It was ALWAYS about what would come next....and what has come next has been quite a few flag draped coffins returning with what used to be young American men and women inside.

Did you hear this weekend that Bush called the war in Iraq a "Catastrophic Success" Talk about nuanced Even when he's admitting he screwed up, he won't admit he screwed up...Wonder why they didn't post that banner on the carrier a year ago ?

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by bsnyder
He was first elected to the Senate in 1984 and he's been re-elected 3 times.

And, he served as Mike Dukakis' Lieutenant Governor before that, if I'm not mistaken, though i'm not sure how long he was in that office.

 

[Crankyshank]

He was Lt Gov for 2yrs prior to being elected to Senate

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by wvrevy
But see, that's the problem, Peachgirl....Kerry is a man of nuance, where-as Bush is more of a "straight shooter". (Personally, I think that he's incapable of seeing most nuance, but that's just me ) Unfortunately, people only watch for sound bites, and that's how we end up in messes like Iraq. Rather than looking at the deeper issue (what happens after the initial fighting is over), we focused only on the obvious military victory over Saddam's "army". There was NEVER a doubt that we would rout the Iraqi army. It was ALWAYS about what would come next....and what has come next has been quite a few flag draped coffins returning with what used to be young American men and women inside.

Ah, when all else fails in defending your candidate, just blame it on the stupidity and shallowness of the voters.

wvrevy, I'd be careful with this protest stuff. I know the Kerry supporters are all waxing nostalgic for the good ole '60's. But if you look at the political implications, that strategy hasn't turned out to be a winner.

 

[Saffron]

So he's been in public office for at least 22 years. Why, if he is so God awful, hasn't he been voted out of office? Did he always run unopposed? Again, just asking, because I honestly don't know.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Ah, when all else fails in defending your candidate, just blame it on the stupidity and shallowness of the voters.

Not stupidity...I just think most people are too concerned with what is happening in their own, immediate lives to pay much attention to what is going on on the grander scale. There's a saying in politics: "All politics is local". The reason for that is that most people are only concerned with how policies are going to affect their lives. They don't have the inclination to really dig to find out all the facts, so they go with what they hear. We live in a soundbite culture, and trying to deny that is just foolish. It's not stupidity...Voters are capable of understnding the issues if they take the time. It's apathy.

Originally posted by bsnyder
wvrevy, I'd be careful with this protest stuff. I know the Kerry supporters are all waxing nostalgic for the good ole '60's. But if you look at the political implications, that strategy hasn't turned out to be a winner.

Yeah....I'm sure that the rest of the country looked at the quarter of a million people marching PEACEFULLY to protest this regime and thought "boy....that Shrub fella must be doin' SOMETHIN' right...He really IS a uniter, not a divider"

So long as the protests don't turn violent, they simply go to show the lies of the right.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by Saffron
This is an honest question: How many years has Kerry been in any elected office in Mass? I'm just wondering because I have no idea. It seems to me, it's been at least 20 years though. Has it been longer that he's held a position in any elected office? If he is so awful, how did he keep getting re-elected? Those are honest questions, I really don't know the answer and I'm not interested enough to do any research to find out.

Ted Kennedy keeps getting re-elected as well, but it doesn't make me feel any better about him Seriously though, getting elected in a specific state and getting elected nationally are very different things.

Kerry obviously has considerable appeal to the people of Massachusetts. But the people of Massachusetts are generally to the left of the majority in this country. Not saying that's good or bad -- but it does make a national election much different from a Massachusetts election.

 

[Crankyshank]

No, he hasn't run unopposed. At least when I voted for him during re-election.
And this Kerry supporter wasn't born until 74- can't be nostalgic for something that I never experienced