Points Chart Year After Year

[Girlstar30]

Do the points charts raise year after year? Like if animal kingdom standard was 12 points now, could it be 24 points in 15 years, forcing people to buy more points in the future? What about seasons, has there been times where one time of the year was more points than another in different years or does it remain pretty consistent as September being the lowest? I think I read somewhere that if they raise the points of let's say a 2 bedroom at a resort then they would have to lower the points on a different room type category at that resort, but I'm not sure if thats correct...

 

[FlyingDonut]

The point chart can change each year, but **approximately**, the total number of points in the chart cannot change. So if points are added somewhere, they need to be taken away somewhere else. This is on a resort basis (point increase at AKV cannot be offset by cheaper rooms at RIV.) The number of seasons, what those seasons are, and relative cost of those seasons can change, but there are some limitations (10% I think?) on the amount of change for a specific date year to year. Disney also has some incentive not to reduce the cost of any season too much if they've sold fixed weeks for that season, since the owners of the FW are locked in at the point cost they agreed to in the contract and Disney has to provide any points to make up the difference. This seems to be most relevant in early December.

Point charts were originally created based on the cost of cash rooms at that resort. This is why some of the older resorts have cheaper point charts.

In actuality (with the exception of CFW, which I haven't taken the time to fully understand) we don't own points, we own a percentage of a resort, and should be able to stay at that resort for a certain amount of time. What we own, and how many nights we can book each year at our home resort, shoudln't change. You may see some minor changes year to year in total points in a point chart as the number of weekends vary year to year, or if a holiday falls on a weekday. Leap years also have an whole extra day.

 

[Girlstar30]

The point chart can change each year, but **approximately**, the total number of points in the chart cannot change. So if points are added somewhere, they need to be taken away somewhere else. This is on a resort basis (point increase at AKV cannot be offset by cheaper rooms at RIV.) The number of seasons, what those seasons are, and relative cost of those seasons can change, but there are some limitations (10% I think?) on the amount of change for a specific date year to year. Disney also has some incentive not to reduce the cost of any season too much if they've sold fixed weeks for that season, since the owners of the FW are locked in at the point cost they agreed to in the contract and Disney has to provide any points to make up the difference. This seems to be most relevant in early December.

Point charts were originally created based on the cost of cash rooms at that resort. This is why some of the older resorts have cheaper point charts.

In actuality (with the exception of CFW, which I haven't taken the time to fully understand) we don't own points, we own a percentage of a resort, and should be able to stay at that resort for a certain amount of time. What we own, and how many nights we can book each year at our home resort, shoudln't change. You may see some minor changes year to year in total points in a point chart as the number of weekends vary year to year, or if a holiday falls on a weekday. Leap years also have an whole extra day.

Thanks for the in depth response, I'm glad they can't just raise it however they want, that seems to be the standard of everything these days

 

[Sandisw]

Thanks for the in depth response, I'm glad they can't just raise it however they want, that seems to be the standard of everything these days

Just to update that the number of points for any given use day can not increase or decrease more than 20% from year to year.

That is why some of the changes that have occurred took a few years to accomplish.

 

[Cfabar1]

I believe they can only go up or down a maximum of 15% a year. So major changes would have to happen over many years. There are websites you can find the historic points charts... You'll see that weeknights used to be even cheaper, and weekends used to be even more expensive... They found they needed to even things out.

You'll also find that October used to be a cheap time to visit WDW on points, and that is less the case today.

EDIT @Sandisw said it is 20%. I think I was confused with 15% increase in MFs year to year.

 

[Chili327]

Thanks for the in depth response, I'm glad they can't just raise it however they want, that seems to be the standard of everything these days

If they were able to raise it all Willie nilly they wouldn’t sell anything.

 

[Girlstar30]

I think they would if there would still be some savings as compared to not buying it

 

[sethschroeder]

Thanks for the in depth response, I'm glad they can't just raise it however they want, that seems to be the standard of everything these days

MFs do increase but don't just randomly increase. The cost of MFs are directly related to upkeep of the resort including a small management.

So your annual cost will go up but at the rate essentially it costs Disney to take care of the resorts and keep them up to date and looking good.

 

[chalee94]

Do the points charts raise year after year?

Here's an extreme example for comparison:

For studios, weeknights in early December went from 7 pts to 10 pts per night - weekends in early May went from 25 pts to 14 pts per night. Definitely, there were winners and losers, but overall, mostly still comparable (especially on a weekly/7 night basis) to 30 years ago.

 

[Girlstar30]

Here's an extreme example for comparison:

For studios, weeknights in early December went from 7 pts to 10 pts per night - weekends in early May went from 25 pts to 14 pts per night. Definitely, there were winners and losers, but overall, mostly still comparable (especially on a weekly/7 night basis) to 30 years ago.
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Thank you, can totally see now that it's all balanced and there's nothing crazy going on

 

[chalee94]

Thank you, can totally see now that it's all balanced and there's nothing crazy going on

Yeah, between the moving seasons and rebalancing with weeknights and weekends, there have been a number of changes in 30 years...

But nothing as nefarious as increases across the board.

 

[Girlstar30]

Yeah, between the moving seasons and rebalancing with weeknights and weekends, there have been a number of changes in 30 years...

But nothing as nefarious as increases across the board.

I'll take no cute names and colorful charts

 

[Cfabar1]

I'll take no cute names and colorful charts

I like the names for the seasons.... but I can see why they got rid of them given the fact the chart is so out of touch with what the previous seasons were....

 

[Girlstar30]

I like the names for the seasons.... but I can see why they got rid of them given the fact the chart is so out of touch with what the previous seasons were....

Me too it's very Disney

 

[CarolynFH]

I like the names for the seasons.... but I can see why they got rid of them given the fact the chart is so out of touch with what the previous seasons were....

Those were the names and dates for the WDW cash resorts prices. The D.V.C. points chart followed the exact same pattern as the cash resorts for a number of years.

 

[Girlstar30]

Those were the names and dates for the WDW cash resorts prices. The D.V.C. points chart followed the exact same pattern as the cash resorts for a number of years.

Choice season should be the cheapest, Magic season reminds me of the holidays