place to leave personal wheelchairs?

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Ok, so I think I finally think i have a trip planned... and i was curious. is there a place to leave a personal wheelchair? like at the stroller rental? I know that I will need one a part of the day, but not the whole time. i will need to walk some, otherwise i will end up with problems from the sitting (if its not one thing, its the other).

anyway, i was wonder if i could leave a chair there in the mornnig for a couple hours til i get exhausted, and then go get it. it is a folding one, so it wont take up much room.... any ideas? thanks
 
Do you really want to go until you get exhausted? Then you will be worn out (and maybe hurting also) for the rest of the day.

What you might want to do is bring along a bicycle lock or cable with lock. When you want to get up and around for a while you can put the lock on a wheel rim, or lock a wheel to the frame. This will allow a CM to move the wheelchair a short distance if necessary, but someone will not be able to really take it away. Just make sure you do not lock it to a fixed object (such as a post).
 
I will not push myself til I am exhausted, but i know what you mean. I know that i will only be able to make it for 20-30 minutes or so, but I just didn't want to leave my chair sitting around... mostly cause i didnt want it in the way. i was hoping that i could leave it with people at the wheelchair rental place folded up in the corner. i know some people do that when they bring their own chair, but switch to a rented scooter once there...
 
Maybe you could push your chair around yourself? That way you'll be able to use it when you need to without heading back to the front of the park to pick it up. I've heard of people almost using the wheelchair as a walker when they need to stretch out a bit and then sitting in it when they need to take a break from walking.
 

that is what i was thinking to do. my family has never seen me with a wheelchair before, and i almost want to break it to them gently. plus when i am doing POTC and HM i wont have my chair with me, because i want to do the whole thing, and i can walk that far with my cane... i am just trying to come up with any many options as possible, so i can have many options. i am one of those people who plan things to within an inch of their lives...

my mother said i should walk as much as possible and then rent a wheelchair there. what she doesnt quite realize yet is that i can onyl go about 20 minutes before getting tired and hurting. also i am 5 ft tall and weigh 100 lbs... i would be lost in a disney wheelchair, and would not be able to move myself at all.

bill, i think i will try that walking pushing the wheelchair thing at the zoo this weekend... the pathways are as rough and hill-y as AK, so i will see how that helps me. i use a cane now, so i would have something with me to help me get around anyway!
 
What I did was to use the chair to get to an area, then park the chair until I was done in that area. Such as ride to Fantasyland, park the chair in stroller parking, walk over to and ride Peter Pan, Small World, Pooh and whatever else I want to do in that area.
Then grab the chair and ride in it over to Adventureland. Sometimes I would push the chair to another land or area, if I was doing okay and needed to walk further.
Leaving the chair with stroller rental means you have to go all the way back to the front of the park when you need it. That can be a looong walk when you are tired and/or in pain!
 
this is very true... i know i will need it the whole time in AK and Epcot, but MGM is fairly tight in some areas, as well as MK... just trying to get ideas :)
 
My experience (also figuring in the EDS?) Take it with you! Better have it there and not needing it than the other way round. Or what if the waitline turns out longer than you thought and your body likes? I've had it happen this week on Soarin'. The waitinglist was supposed to be 20 minutes, but ended up being 65 due to a breakdown.

No need to worry about POTC. They've got a corner they use for storing chairs. When I was there, a CM stayed around checking them the whole time. Even better; I travel alone and with a powerchair so normally POTC would be a problem. It never was though, a great CM decided I needed to ride, made me transfer to a rental chair, took me round the back, got me on the first boat -wasn't my turn yet-, rode with me to "make sure you're ok" (if you ask me, he didn't mind getting out of the heat from outside at all ;) ) and did a pirate-show the whole time.

I haven't been on each ride, so can't tell for all. I avoided all of the rollercoaster and other rides with health-warnings (you know the drill, don't want to dislocate and stuff) except for the Safari. Allthough I took my chair with me in line -offcourse- and rode it onto each ride that offered that option, each ride I did take had plenty of room to store a chair. You know, they don't incurage you to get out of a chair if possible to then not have proper room enough to store all of those chairs. I say; take it with you and use it for the waitinglines and getting around the park. Save your energy, joints and walking-abilities for the shows, rides, eating, round the resort etc.

The same when using the busses. While all of us appreciate you getting out of the chair if you can to make room for others, none of us -well those who aren't selfish arrogant jerks- would want you to get up and out of the chair if you would've been better of in the chair.

Pushing the chair yourself could be a good option. Just look out for overdoing it on the armjoints, especially shoulders with the bumps and things. That can be a risk with EDS. While the parks are pretty easy-going when it comes to boincing around there definately are parts of parks (and almost whole of AK) that could "kill" your arms. In that cas; let somebody else push. It's nice that you want them to get used to the chair gradually, but let's face it! They'll have to get used to it, one way or another. It's not like you'll ever walk around the whole of WDW. Taking the chair with you (eventhough not using it 24/7) might even be easier on them when it comes to facing this. I know at least it's an easier way of dealing with things for some of my loved ones.


Don't rent a chair if you've got your own more suited chair unless you want the EDS to get it's change to grab you even more. You'll overdo it and EDS is relentless when it comes to that. How's your moms info on EDS? I know you are still getting used to it yourself, so maybe she just doesn't have the info to really understand?

One thing that's very succesfull for me is putting people through "the same". In this case; explain mom about EDS and why a rental is a bad thing. Not because of drowning in the chair itself but because of the fact that these chairs give no, zip, nada support and you'll need that desperately for a day of WDW if you don't want to fall apart. These chairs do the worst when it comes to dealing with bumps, and again; risk of dislocating. If the theory doesn't sink in, take it to practice.

Let her sit in such a chair and try to get herself around like a mile. She'll get you then! She'll feel her arms and hands. She can do the math that doing that all day is killing for even a healthy untrained person. You are untrained for using a wc at WDW (which is hard enough), let alone a rental one. If you explain to her that using such a chair would mean you being 99% dependant, would it sink in that you would hate that for you both? I mean, if you asked her to sit in a stroller all day and depend upon where somebody else takes her when the want to, she'ld be able to understand that being such a pain in the butt hopefullly?

Another idea I'm thinking about is the ecv option. There's a financial difference but I think it's the saver way with EDS and you having limited walking abilities. You want to treasure those, keep them safe. The ecv will garantee this, keep you saver from people bumping into you (again, a risk with us), you'll be as independant as possibly could be, you can take the cane with you, there are enough places to store it and you wouldn't have the downside of having to use it in a small space as you could use your walking into that particular space.

Think about it, just being able to say on a whimp "you know what, you go to ride X. I'll go to ride Y in the mean time and we'll meet up again at Z." Now you'ld have to worry about "can I walk that far? Can I roll myself that far?" but with a ecv that would be no worry. Or even going to first aid or the resort in between for a rest if you don't want the rest to have to come back with you. The more independance you've got, the more options you've got to listen to both your body and likings. This will increase the change of you not overdoing it too much.
 
thanks madenon... i didnt even think about the lines being longer than we thought... for lines i can see i would rather wait my turn (i am going at a not crowded time) like on small world, but on soarin, you never know how long the wait is until you get in there!

i am going with my family so i can have people help push me. i want to push myself some (like in lines and in stores) but through AK daddy gets to help me!

my manifestation of EDS isnt as severe as your i dont think, cause i sublux but dont dislocate. so i can do some "thrill" rides but not all... i just wont be comfortable in those rentals.

my mother was concerned about getting tired when pushing me, but the only person my dad has pushed was my mother, who is not a terribly tiny person. and he was doing it in a rental. one of the reason i want my chair is my tires are pneumatic, so i wont have the vibrations of a rental... plus if i sit in an unpadded chair, my hips sublux and squish nerves...

i want to walk as much as i can, and i will walk on things like HM and POTC, but i just would die trying even to get from the Epcot entrance to Soarin'!

i am just so excited to go! this is the first time any of my family will see me in a wheelchair, so i want to "break it to them gently," but at the same time, i want to have a blast.... so i know i am bringing my own chair (which my family does not know i have yet), but now i need to figure out how to tell them
 
and i thought about the scooter, but i am too tiny for them. i am 5 ft tall and 100 lbs (about the size of the average 12 yr old), and the scooters are so big that to drive them my arms are fully extended the whole time... i rented one at the zoo and hated it... but i think i should do okay with my quickie 2...
 
K, hopefully your eds is not such a ***** as mine. :) But still; take it very serious. Overdoing it can be so damaging. I though I understood and took it to hart during my first years (also still walking around small amounts) of having problems due to the eds, but turns out I had no clue and permanently damaged myself with my "I don't want to be a pain in the butt, don't want to need help, yadieyadieda".

Now I'm all for making an informed choice to overdue it and take the consequences of that choice. That's what I just did last week, so I'm no stranger to that. :) I just want to make sure you take it serious and not to damage yourself too much.

From the Epcot entrance to Soarin' is a relatively -for wdw- short distance, but I think it would be asking for it for you to walk up the hill to get into the Land Building. Also I found it to be more crowded around Innoventions which could mean you needing more time and energy. I ran into a broken elevator at the Land building last thuesday. That again can be a risk as you need to be on the first floor for Soarin' and get into the Land on the second floor, with no seating option from where you can see if the elevator works again. They ended up taking me and other wheelers in and out via the backdoor.

The lines for Soarin' are mostly uphill. That again isn't too great. And if you have to wait they've got some cute games to entertain you, for which you couldn't sit on the floor and play. I say; bring the chair for that uphill going and to play the game, it's fun.

Really girl, use the chair for all it's worth! Doing disney the chair-style is SO relaxing and easygoing. I really had a blast and never run into any real problems because of the chair. (even with the elevator ;) ) I could have transfered out of my chair into more rides than I did. I didn't because I finally learned my lesson the hard way. Better to safe myself that energy -and not getting the added pain- and use that for something else than doing 2 rides with transferring and feeling it.


How to tell them, good question. I never had to tell anyone about the manual. I ended up in hospital due to so much pain and not being able to get out of bed. That pretty much made it obvious enough. ;) Now for the powerchair, that's a different thing! I didn't feel good about it myself, so let alone telling others about it and having to deal with it becoming more real because of that and knowing it would cause them emotional pain for me.

I ended up just applying for one and talking to them about the applying. Some got it that way, others were still like "but that's for some moments and not whole day, right?". In my case people didn't really really found it sinking in untill they just have me around in the chair. That makes it real and then they can deal with it like "ok, she needs it, it's for the better". I think all you can do is talk to them and try to make them understand. Good info on eds is the most important I guess as this will stress why you shouldn't overdue it, can't predict when you'll be overdoing it untill that specific moment because your body has a mind of it's own and why you really need the specific requirements of your own chair and not just some wheels to get you round and "oh well the tires and cushion is more comfortable". Maybe they'll just have to see for themselves how much of a difference it'll be for you. Probably you also just have to experience wdw this way to really feel how much it can help you. I knew I needed the powerchair. I knew I would be using it at WDW and getting it on rides as much as possible. I knew I would be so much better of then when I still stupidly decided to do an amusementpark in my manual (getting pushed around and only doing small distances myself). I knew the chair not being anyway near 100% would cost me lots of time at the parks, which it did. But I really didn't get how much this (ugly ;) ) chair saved me untill I actually did it.

You know, just think about that seating of the chair! I don't know if it's a cushion or not? (read; easy to take it out and use in restaurants, rides etc!) Just think about having that right at hand for you to sit down on when you need it. How much this would save you. How great it is to sit down on a bench for a show and feel "no, this is hurting me too much, let's get the chair".

I don't know what the exact ecv options are in the US, so bear with me. I know there are ecv's out there with a non fixed stiring. With those you could let them set the stiring in such a way you wouldn't need to stretch your arms out more than only lifting up your underarms. I know there are different heights of ecv's available as I'm also not a large girl. Actually, I was surprised to see so many very low ecv's at WDW, way more low ones than over here.

Pushing and getting tired. That'll happen to anyone that's not experienced and hitting the parks real time. Allthough you having your own chair is easier than a rental, it can still happen. I know it happened standard with all of my girlfriends -they took turns pushing me) when we would hit Amsterdam and I still had a Quicky2. If that's your mothers biggest concern, talk about how you could solve it. Another option, ecv, you not going all the time?, renting a device that allows you to use power"pushing" on the chair etc. Maybe it's just fear for your dad and our you??
 
i'm not using a chair in daily life (yet), but the only thing i do is go to work, where i sit in a well-supported chair all day. however, even that leaves me in pain. if i use the chair, my pain is greatly decreased... so i would rather use it more at disney and NOT hurt... i only got my diagnosis about 6 months ago, so this is not easy for my parents.

about the ECVs, my family uses a rental car when we are there, so i would be stuck with the park scooters... also i just dont feel like i am very in control of those... never liked them. i know that my dad can push me all day and not really be tired, but i will push myself a fair amount too...

my mother is still learning what bothers me... she thinks that i can just sit on the floor in line if i have to... not only can this be dangerous, but there is no guarantee that i can get up again!!

i'll work it out... i just like having all the answers, so when my mom says "well, what about this..." i can have the answers ready
 
Hmm maybe disney could be a positive thing for them. Not to just see the chair, the eds, facing that their daugther isn't going to be cured and all of those things that hit parents as a brick so short into the game, but also see that there are positive things in your life. That a simple thing as a good chair will give you WDW at the cost of so much less pain or hopefully maybe even no (added) pain.

I understand having all of the answers. But either you have them allready (knowing what your body can tolerate or not) or you don't, and simply wont untill you run into that specific situation. It's ok to not have an answer. It's ok to tell her "better safe with than sorry without". It's ok to tell her you'll do your best and cross that specific bridge she just brought up if you get to it.

The park scooters just suck. They'll be too high for you and the stiring looks like it is way to heavy (not even mentioning the strething out of the arms). Apart from pushing, did you ever try "sitted walking"? Just sit in the chair, scoot over a bit to the front so you can sit actively and reach the floor with your feet. Just start walking now. This is nicer on the legjoints (but watch the knees, it's hardest on them) and might be an option for you. This was my way of getting round in the Quicky2 for about a year before I got my Colours and got round in that by using arms. When my arms act up to much -so pretty much all the time now-, I still do that to get round. It gives me a surprising range of getting round without hurting myself too much (walking or using arms). If your proprioception isn't too bad, you can also combine using the arms and legs at the same time. Great way of getting round if on a day your left arm and right leg are killing you.

Have you ever talked to your mom about specifics? Not just "sitting down like that hurts me", but why and more of the painfull details? I found out that doing that makes it easier for others to understand than just "that hurts me". Some how "that hurts me" is too open for interpretation of the amount of pain. For instance, when I still said that my ribs hurt like hell and I take morphine because of it, people wouldn't think I fake it, but definately didn't really get it and expect me to do things I can't. When I started explaining that each breath I take means subluxating all kinds of ribs, a lot of lightbulbs went on and it hit home.

I found people, even loved ones, more understanding after they learn about what eds is, about the chance and risk (because one simple subluxation can get you into Big Trouble) of (sub)luxating, teach them about how fawlty our connective tissue is and what roll it plays in our body.

And some things you'll never be able to explain. Some will be fine, others not. Each of us has to find a way to deal with that. All I can say on that is to advice you to listen to your body more than to the worries about others and their opinions. You can't protect them or keep them from grieve. All you can do is protect your body to it's best. And let's be honest, in the long run isn't that the best things also for those who love you? They wouldn't want to see you go down hill anymore healthwise.

I was just thinking...... do they know about the chair at work? That might be a point to start with to stress how important good support is for your body. That could immediately tackle the "K can sit on the floor".
 
almost no one at work knows even how bad i am, but that is because i am still collecting diagnoses... i may have an adrenal insufficiency (addisons or something like) as well.

my parents get some of it, and they really do try. i am just trying to be as gentle as i can with them, but i am in no way going to hurt myself over disney...

i am going to the zoo this weekend, and i will try out the sitting & walking, and the pushing the chair while walking... i am trying to be kind to my poor parents, as they are dealing with a lot with me (and my sister just got sick and now had facial paralysis), but i am going to be firm with my needs.

what i meant by having the answers is a lot more of the "where can i leave a wheelchair" and "how do i get from the parking lot to the park," but i know that i will just have to face things as they come...

i am going to start by talking to my sister and getting her used to it, and then work on my parents...

thanks for all the great advice, madenon!
 
Sorry, I wasn't very clear I see. I ment to ask if your parents know about the chair you're using at work.

Being kind but firm, that's the good combination. Do one of each to little and you'll pay for it somehow.

The practicle disney questions are simply answered! A "there are CM's allover that'll help us get the info we need" fits every question. Now that I read that they've got so many practicle questions I think maybe it's them being a bit overworried about their daugther? My parents are like that (mom more) and want answers to all of those questions while I just figure out the big dealbreakers and then just go with the flow and see what happens. Especially my mom will just worry and worry about the "what if's", because she wants to spare me any more pain.
 
ah, now i know what you mean...

the biggest problem is that pain cant be quantified. there is no blood test, so i cant say that "well my pain levels were at a 121, so i need to get them down, and that is why i am using my chair." since pain cant be quantified, you get stuck trying to explain that even breathing hurts...

thanks for all the great advice...

my mother keeps saying we can stop and get an ice cream and just rest. but sitting in those metal chairs outside casey's can hurt even more than walking. so i am going to gradually get her to see my side... i have two months to convince her.

i am going to the zoo this weekend and i will try a number of different things, which will hopefully give me some concrete examples to give her.

my biggest thing is that daily life causes me pain, and while i can get through the day without needing a chair, i do not have fun. nothing is fun, it is just work. but when i have the chair my pain is very greatly reduced, and that is a big reason why i will use it a lot in disney!
 
What I did was to use the chair to get to an area, then park the chair until I was done in that area. Such as ride to Fantasyland, park the chair in stroller parking, walk over to and ride Peter Pan, Small World, Pooh and whatever else I want to do in that area.
Then grab the chair and ride in it over to Adventureland. Sometimes I would push the chair to another land or area, if I was doing okay and needed to walk further.
Leaving the chair with stroller rental means you have to go all the way back to the front of the park when you need it. That can be a looong walk when you are tired and/or in pain!
A lot of people do just what you suggest and use the wheelchair to get from one general area to another. Then they park it (often with the strollers) and walk around the area.
Leaving it at the stroller rental would mean a long walk. If you do choose to do that, the only park where you would have a fairly easy way to get there without walking would be MK - you could take the train back to the Main Street station, which is close by. The problem would be that the train station requires a climb up/down to the 2nd floor.
Or what if the waitline turns out longer than you thought and your body likes? I've had it happen this week on Soarin'. The waitinglist was supposed to be 20 minutes, but ended up being 65 due to a breakdown.
That is a VERY GOOD POINT. If you do get into a line, ask the CM before getting in how long the wait will be.
AND, also important, how far the walk is.
For example, some of the attractions have a very long walk from the line entrance to the actual attraction -even if the wait is short. A few with very long walks are Soarin', Test Track, Bug's Life, Pirates, the Safari.
One thing that's very succesfull for me is putting people through "the same". In this case; explain mom about EDS and why a rental is a bad thing. Not because of drowning in the chair itself but because of the fact that these chairs give no, zip, nada support and you'll need that desperately for a day of WDW if you don't want to fall apart. These chairs do the worst when it comes to dealing with bumps, and again; risk of dislocating. If the theory doesn't sink in, take it to practice.
The park rental wheelchairs have sling seats and backs, so no support at all.
and i thought about the scooter, but i am too tiny for them. i am 5 ft tall and 100 lbs (about the size of the average 12 yr old), and the scooters are so big that to drive them my arms are fully extended the whole time... i rented one at the zoo and hated it... but i think i should do okay with my quickie 2...
My youngest DD is 5 feet tall and 90 pounds. I agree that someone your size would drown in the rental chairs and ECVs.
what i meant by having the answers is a lot more of the "where can i leave a wheelchair" and "how do i get from the parking lot to the park," but i know that i will just have to face things as they come...
Unless you can fold your wheelchair and hold it on the tram, you will need to park in the handicapped parking area (which you will need a state issued handicapped parking permit to do) or ask the CMs where you can park. The disABILITIES FAQs thread does have some info about parking that may be helpful to you.
 
Unless you can fold your wheelchair and hold it on the tram, you will need to park in the handicapped parking area (which you will need a state issued handicapped parking permit to do) or ask the CMs where you can park. The disABILITIES FAQs thread does have some info about parking that may be helpful to you.

Actually, I can fold the wheelchair, and if the tram is not crowded, i would have my dad go in a row with the chair (he can still carry me easily, so the chair wont be a problem) and me and my mom and sis in the row behind him. i dont want to take up the handicapped parking spaces since i can fold the chair... plus for my family riding the tram is part of the experience!
 













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