Paying student loans

Well, the cost of living overall is more in NJ, which is why half your state lives in NC now.

Here is a list of community colleges and 4 year colleges in NJ, so they all aren't $4,500, but they are all more than our closest one here in NC. Some are even over $5,000. I would hope with that you would get a gaurantee that all classes are transferable.

http://collegestats.org/colleges/new-jersey/lowest-outofstate-cost

Our community college is about the same as yours. The nearest state school is $12K tuition per year. (NJ).
 
OP here. I came posting on the board for helpful advice, support and encouragement. Some of you have given that and I have taken to heart the advice which includes PT job, watching a little person, and the income reduction payment plan. Thank you also for those that have shared being in the same boat as me – it is comforting to know I’m not the only one with a lot of student loans.

Others have chose to go another approach and say that I don’t want to pay my debts, shouldn’t have had children, gone to school, etc. Perhaps all those people that are saying I should or shouldn’t have done something know something about changing back time that I don’t know about. Obviously there are some things I would change if I could go back in time. I choose not to live in the past because there is nothing you can do about the past.

Student loans to me (and in my view to the ‘credit people community’) are a different beast. At least when we were applying for our home and our van, it didn’t matter how much you had out – they actually didn’t even LOOK at that, as long as they were in good standing. All ours are. They have always been. We have just been forbearing them – which means we make a simple phone call to the US Dept of Education and they put them on forbearance for a year…..no payments required. Obviously not smart for us financially, but totally legal and not looked down at all by those who give credit (again – this was before – we haven’t applied for more credit in years). Both mine and DHs credit score are very high.

That is NOT saying I don’t want to pay it back – I know that I have to pay it back – whether it be now or until the day I die! It is NOT like I am coming on here after my vacations saying that I want to claim bankruptcy or skip the payment on my house and have it foreclosed upon. (and before anyone slams me for saying that – I have had both happen to different members in my family). Financially it is not smart for me to not be making payments my loans, but I am not ‘skipping payments’ (as I don’t have any right now) and my debt will get repaid rather it be sooner or later.

Obviously I want to start paying my debt – or else I wouldn’t have posted. I am now trying to look at the bigger, longer term picture of our financial life. No, I haven’t done that before but again – can’t change the past. I just think some people should not be so mean when posting (there is a difference between being mean and saying something useful with constructive criticism). However – I am assuming that those people have no debt, have their homes all paid off, and they never did any vacations or bought anything for themselves until they were totally debt free.
 
I just think some people should not be so mean when posting (there is a difference between being mean and saying something useful with constructive criticism).

Is telling someone that daycare is "letting someone else raise your children" constructive criticism? Or is it just mean?
 

This is why I didn't have children until after I paid off my student loans. They were my loans and it my responsibility to pay on them. I couldn't use raising children as an excuse to shirk my financial responsibility.

This is a little hard core if you ask me. For some people, if they wait to have children until their loans are paid off, they'd be too old to have children.

All of my undergrad was paid for through scholarships, with even a little extra left over for living expenses. Law school is what did it in for me. Even though I applied to several scholarships, including through the law school I attended, I wasn't able to get any financial assistance. So I was forced to get loans.

People are talking about their loans totaling a car payment... holy moly, my student loans equal a house payment each month. That said, I am paying on them, and I am even paid ahead on one of them. And you know what?? We have a 15 month old daughter, have APs to WDW, and take at least two vacations per year. You can still live life and pay on your student loans. You just have to budget accordingly. And that means living within your means.

To OP, if you are able to get another PT job (like the one you were downsized out of), I would recommend doing that and putting all of your earnings towards the student loans. This way, you can continue to use DH's income to live your life.

And to address PP who are concerned about their children having to take out loans to get an education, both DH and I put ourselves through school and are making it. While we'll be paying back our loans for several years to come, we are living comfortably at the moment (though on a budget). In my opinion, I think the better approach is to encourage DD to do well in school (to earn scholarships) and teach her how to manage her money responsibly.

Again, I think this issue is a personal one to the OP. Only she knows what their budget, savings, etc. looks like and only she and her DH can sit down and come up with a plan.
 
Advenutre Woman,

Kudos to you for trying to look at your long-term financial picture.

One thing that may help get you motivated to pay your loans off as quickly as possible is to think about your children winding up in the same financial boat (i.e., having to borrow heavily for college and having to pay off student loans well into their thirties or forties).

Time passes so quickly. Trust me, your oldest will be applying to college before you know it. My first "baby" is 17 and applying to college now and sometimes I can't believe she is old enough to go to college next year. She will not have to worry about taking out student loans. Was it easy to save the money? NO. Did we sacrifice to be able to save it? YES. My children are 13 years apart, partially because we did not want to be paying two college tuitions at the same time (that's not the only reason, of course). We take vacations but saving for vacations comes LAST on our list of priorities. Teach your children the concept of deferred gratification.

I know not everyone feels it is a parent's responsibility to provide a college education for their kids but we feel it is the best gift we can give our children. They will not have to start their adult lives burdened with tons of debt.

Anyway, I wish you every success, financially and otherwise. You are doing the right thing by tackling this problem now. Good luck!
 
OP here. I came posting on the board for helpful advice, support and encouragement. Some of you have given that and I have taken to heart the advice which includes PT job, watching a little person, and the income reduction payment plan. Thank you also for those that have shared being in the same boat as me – it is comforting to know I’m not the only one with a lot of student loans.

Others have chose to go another approach and say that I don’t want to pay my debts, shouldn’t have had children, gone to school, etc. Perhaps all those people that are saying I should or shouldn’t have done something know something about changing back time that I don’t know about. Obviously there are some things I would change if I could go back in time. I choose not to live in the past because there is nothing you can do about the past.





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Student loans to me (and in my view to the ‘credit people community’) are a different beast. At least when we were applying for our home and our van, it didn’t matter how much you had out – they actually didn’t even LOOK at that, as long as they were in good standing. All ours are. They have always been. We have just been forbearing them – which means we make a simple phone call to the US Dept of Education and they put them on forbearance for a year…..no payments required. Obviously not smart for us financially, but totally legal and not looked down at all by those who give credit (again – this was before – we haven’t applied for more credit in years). Both mine and DHs credit score are very high.

That is NOT saying I don’t want to pay it back – I know that I have to pay it back – whether it be now or until the day I die! It is NOT like I am coming on here after my vacations saying that I want to claim bankruptcy or skip the payment on my house and have it foreclosed upon. (and before anyone slams me for saying that – I have had both happen to different members in my family). Financially it is not smart for me to not be making payments my loans, but I am not ‘skipping payments’ (as I don’t have any right now) and my debt will get repaid rather it be sooner or later.

Obviously I want to start paying my debt – or else I wouldn’t have posted. I am now trying to look at the bigger, longer term picture of our financial life. No, I haven’t done that before but again – can’t change the past. I just think some people should not be so mean when posting (there is a difference between being mean and saying something useful with constructive criticism). However – I am assuming that those people have no debt, have their homes all paid off, and they never did any vacations or bought anything for themselves until they were totally debt free.

Bravo! You're going to do great!
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Gee - did you see the post or so after that where I apologized for that?

Honestly, no, I did not. And I still can't find it. Sorry if I missed it.

I guess my point is that you were upset that people made judgmental remarks (along with remarks that you considered judgmental but others would not have) about your life choices, and yet you maybe didn't even realize that your own remark was very judgmental. So, if yours wasn't mean to be mean, consider that other people's remarks that rubbed you the wrong way might not have been meant to be mean either.
 
Well, the cost of living overall is more in NJ, which is why half your state lives in NC now.

Here is a list of community colleges and 4 year colleges in NJ, so they all aren't $4,500, but they are all more than our closest one here in NC. Some are even over $5,000. I would hope with that you would get a gaurantee that all classes are transferable.

http://collegestats.org/colleges/new-jersey/lowest-outofstate-cost

That was an interesting link. I looked up NYS, and the cheapest in-state tuition was $3068. The 2 schools closer to where I live were $3327 and $3506 (Erie and Niagara County Community). I want to move to NC now. :laughing:
 
My parents are out of debt completely and have been for some time now. I am making on time payments on my student loans and have no consumer debt. But paying off $100K in student loans on my salary before I'm thirty five? Not gonna happen, even if I lived in a van down by the river and ate gruel and pigeons twice a day. Especially if I want to also be saving for retirement (I am) and building an emergency fund (I am).

Perhaps I misinterpreted the statements I quoted, but they both definitely sounded to me like "I don't understand why people would have children if they owed money on their student loans." It makes it sound like having some debt is equivalent to... well, living in a van down by the river. And it's not.

Student loan debt sucks, and I agree with the idea that we all need to make some sacrifices to pay it off as swiftly as possible, but having debt and children at the same time doesn't make you a bad person or an irresponsible parent.

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And furthermore, this may be an unpopular opinion, but right now, I don't have the financial well-being to fund my kid's college educations. I don't have children yet, but when I do I don't plan on starting a college savings account. I'm a state worker and my husband will be a teacher (as soon as he can find a job!). My parents didn't have the means to help me with college and I made it through and am paying off my loans, which are a bear and if I had it to do again I would have gotten a 2-year degree in a medical field. Sorry, but my kids are going to have to make wise decisions about their college educations someday unless I come into a windfall of money somehow. My husband's parents helped a little with his education, but not much and hes paying his loans as well. I don't imagine having the disposable income to fund our children's college educations, not in this economy.
 
DawnM - I actually ran into "collegestats.org" for my state last night when I was trying to figure out where you were getting your information about what it costs to attend my son's school. It was several thousand short on each of the schools I checked. While helpful in helping determine what schools might be cheapest if they trend the same, I wouldn't consider it an up to date source.

I'm happy for you that NC has a low cost of living and you have lots of local options that are affordable for you. I don't think any of us are questioning your stats about your own schools, or saying that there aren't affordable options out there - simply saying how fortunate you are and that ours cost more.
 
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And furthermore, this may be an unpopular opinion, but right now, I don't have the financial well-being to fund my kid's college educations. I don't have children yet, but when I do I don't plan on starting a college savings account. I'm a state worker and my husband will be a teacher (as soon as he can find a job!). My parents didn't have the means to help me with college and I made it through and am paying off my loans, which are a bear and if I had it to do again I would have gotten a 2-year degree in a medical field. Sorry, but my kids are going to have to make wise decisions about their college educations someday unless I come into a windfall of money somehow. My husband's parents helped a little with his education, but not much and hes paying his loans as well. I don't imagine having the disposable income to fund our children's college educations, not in this economy.

Erin, I agree with you. We don't have college funds for our DDs. We chose to save for retirement rather than college. I tell my kids that if I saved for college we would be living with them in our old age. DD18 tells me that wouldn't happen so it is best to save for retirement.
 
OP, good luck paying down your student loans! You can do it! I was very happy when I finished paying mine.

Sit down and write out an honest spending guide and include your student loan payments. You have to be realistic and honest even though it may be scary. Work with your husband on it. Be determined to work as a team together on getting through the pay down period and develop sense of humor about it. It is sad to hear of couples breaking up over money issues, it really can bring you closer together when you work towards a common goal.

The cost of everything has gone up but incomes have not, generally speaking, so most of us feel the squeeze.

You can come up with some good ideas on how to be thrifty/green and it will be a good example for the children too. There is no shame in it. Sometimes difficult decisions need to be made. Be up front with people (friends, family). Once you can be honest with others about your decision to be "thrifty", it is easier.

Do you have enough income to pay your monthly bills and basic needs? If not, you may have to get a job. Sometimes fretting over this is worse that actually doing it. (been there)

You can cut back on utilities and apply the savings to your monthly student loan payment or other bills.

It is such a pain to change your ways (I know, trust me) but it is easier with a change in attitude. Instead of viewing it as a sacrifice, consider it a challenge. Even my teens are into saving on our utilities.

We have power stripped electrical items that use electricity even when they are off. TV's, printers, game consoles, stereos etc ... the power strips are shut off every night. We unplug kitchen small appliances between uses. I don't need the coffee maker clock to run 24/7 or the toaster to be lit up.
Get everyone to use one room in the house after dinner. One room worth of lights cost less than several.

Hang laundry to dry. Some items come out better in the dryer but some can be hung with no difference, or partially dry them on the line and then toss them in the dryer for a short cycle to complete the process.

Save on groceries. Skip the processed foods. Make treats yourself. Get the children used to drinking water and a few servings of milk. No child needs fruit juice, sugary beverages, soda.
Use a programable thermostat. Warm the house up for times when needed, first thing in AM, bath time, etc, and lower it each night.

I am one of a small population of people, it seems, that understand that people mess up financially. I have made every financial mistake possible, some more than once, but life is wonderful and it goes on.
Hugs to all of you that are struggling with payments of any kind. You aren't alone and there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
For pete sake don't divorce or commit suicide over it. People need to help each other through tough times, its the human thing to do. :hug::grouphug:
 
The truth is we moved to NC from SoCal and the colleges in SoCal were awesome in terms of price. I believe they are going up now a bit. I was happy to see that NC has SOME schools that are comparable in price as that was one huge benefit in CA.

However, our local college is not rated all that high. So, we may have to pay more. We will see what fields our kids are interested in when they get to that age/level. UNC Chapel Hill is over $7K for tuition alone.

I was not going to debate the cost YOU pay for UW, which I have no idea which campus your son is attending. My Friend's son is at the Bothel campus and paying $8K plus fees, books, etc.....which of course does come to over $10K very easily. The source I checked on the UW website but I was looking at Bothel. Seattle is more. I didn't realize I was looking at different campuses.

Dawn



DawnM - I actually ran into "collegestats.org" for my state last night when I was trying to figure out where you were getting your information about what it costs to attend my son's school. It was several thousand short on each of the schools I checked. While helpful in helping determine what schools might be cheapest if they trend the same, I wouldn't consider it an up to date source.

I'm happy for you that NC has a low cost of living and you have lots of local options that are affordable for you. I don't think any of us are questioning your stats about your own schools, or saying that there aren't affordable options out there - simply saying how fortunate you are and that ours cost more.
 
I still am not sure what the OP is doing and how she is doing it. Forbearance is a 36 month program that must be approved and taken very seriously. Once of the forbearance and forget just that first payment and BAM! Your done.

OP how long have you been on forbearance and how are you getting around the rules and regulations set down for student loans. I am seriously curious how you are doing this.
 
The truth is we moved to NC from SoCal and the colleges in SoCal were awesome in terms of price. I believe they are going up now a bit. I was happy to see that NC has SOME schools that are comparable in price as that was one huge benefit in CA.

However, our local college is not rated all that high. So, we may have to pay more. We will see what fields our kids are interested in when they get to that age/level. UNC Chapel Hill is over $7K for tuition alone.

I was not going to debate the cost YOU pay for UW, which I have no idea which campus your son is attending. My Friend's son is at the Bothel campus and paying $8K plus fees, books, etc.....which of course does come to over $10K very easily. The source I checked on the UW website but I was looking at Bothel. Seattle is more. I didn't realize I was looking at different campuses.

Dawn

That makes sense. Satellite programs can often be more affordable and can make sense for students who live locally if they can get what they need nearby.
 
I still am not sure what the OP is doing and how she is doing it. Forbearance is a 36 month program that must be approved and taken very seriously. Once of the forbearance and forget just that first payment and BAM! Your done.

OP how long have you been on forbearance and how are you getting around the rules and regulations set down for student loans. I am seriously curious how you are doing this.

How is she getting around what rules and regulations? I've put my loans in forbearance twice - once when I was having a tough time paying them and building a household/professional wardrobe at the same time and once when I was paying off a medical bill. Both times, I simply called my lender and requested forbearance for a few months. They asked why, and I said nothing more than "I'm having a tough time with my budget right now." They sent me a form to fill out that was barely more than my name, address and social, and boom, forbearance approved! (And both times, they approved it for a year even though I only asked for a few months. I just let them know when I was ready to start paying again.) I suspect OP did exactly what I did. It doesn't exactly take ninja-level skills or subterfuge to call up the bank and ask for a break.
 
I still am not sure what the OP is doing and how she is doing it. Forbearance is a 36 month program that must be approved and taken very seriously. Once of the forbearance and forget just that first payment and BAM! Your done.

OP how long have you been on forbearance and how are you getting around the rules and regulations set down for student loans. I am seriously curious how you are doing this.

Unemployment Deferment and Economic Hardship Deferment have 36 month limits and do require documentation as if you are approved, the interest on your subsidized loans is paid by the government. Interest accrues on your entire balance during periods of forbearance, so they aren't really strict about it. There are few types of forbearance that have specific requirements, but most people will just get a "General Forbearance," which I believe has a maximum limit of 60 months. Here is the verbiage:

I am willing but unable to make my current Direct Loan payments due to a temporary financial hardship. If this forbearance is approved, I choose to (check one):

o temporarily stop making payments;
o make smaller payments than previously scheduled.


Link to the application: http://www.csub.edu/finaid/pdf/gfb_sch.pdf

You can apply online or over the phone; there is NO documentation required and no explanation is necessary. Obviously everyone's definition or "financial hardship" is different and subjective. I personally have my federal student loans in forbearance because the interest is low and I would rather focus on paying down my higher interest debts; basically I am in no rush to pay off these federal loans.
 
Unemployment Deferment and Economic Hardship Deferment have 36 month limits and do require documentation as if you are approved, the interest on your subsidized loans is paid by the government. Interest accrues on your entire balance during periods of forbearance, so they aren't really strict about it. There are few types of forbearance that have specific requirements, but most people will just get a "General Forbearance," which I believe has a maximum limit of 60 months. Here is the verbiage:

I am willing but unable to make my current Direct Loan payments due to a temporary financial hardship. If this forbearance is approved, I choose to (check one):

o temporarily stop making payments;
o make smaller payments than previously scheduled.


Link to the application: http://www.csub.edu/finaid/pdf/gfb_sch.pdf

You can apply online or over the phone; there is NO documentation required and no explanation is necessary. Obviously everyone's definition or "financial hardship" is different and subjective. I personally have my federal student loans in forbearance because the interest is low and I would rather focus on paying down my higher interest debts; basically I am in no rush to pay off these federal loans.

Thank you for your reply, I worked in student loans so I understand the how and what, the interest payments etc, but when I worked it was for a maximum for 36 months total throughout the life of the loan.

The OP makes it sound like she could do this until her children are all in school which honestly is many more months than 36, but could be close to 60 depending on the number of children. She also said she just asked and received, and well, I can tell you it never was like that before. You needed to provide a reason and paper back-up when I worked the loans. ALSO, there was always an interest payment or interest added to the principal, thus creating a much higher principal which was always considered a huge NO NO back then.

My thoughts is that this is another reason why we are in such a bad state, (IN MY OPINION), as the banks are making paying back your student loans too easy to NOT pay!! Thanks for clearing it up for me.
 
My thoughts is that this is another reason why we are in such a bad state, (IN MY OPINION), as the banks are making paying back your student loans too easy to NOT pay!!

Colleges will just raise their tuition rates as well so the people who suffer are the people who work two jobs to get their children through school without having to take out loans. Of course, that is the way everything works in this country! The people who work hard and try to do the right thing are always punished.
 












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