Passport for Traveling by Plane within the US

[Dug720]

NY got a 1 year extension in october, your fine. you can get the EDL now if you want it, you might even have the realid version already they've offered it since 2009. the problem is it was optional at a higher cost so most didn't get it. oh btw, most NYC museums are offering free membership for 1 year if you sign up with your ny state edl license.

I only saw one random reference above to museums, and had no idea what that referred to, or what you referred to. Seems like something might have been edited or deleted. I couldn't figure out how or why the NYC ID even had a place in this discussion, as it's a complete joke and waste of taxpayer money.

I quoted the post that made me question if there was something in place for EDL holders.

 

[sunflare]

For a non-refundable $100 fee. If you end up not being approved, you don't get your $100 back.

Yep, but honestly, if you've done something that merits you NOT getting approved, then you probably already know not to apply for it. I'm pretty sure the background check is about as stringent as it is for a job - definitely not as bad as it is for a security clearance.

 

[kittyab]

We are in the process of getting our Nexus passes. We should have them well before our trip.

 

[Accident]

Not doubting you! I was just curious. I've got my IDNYC so I'm good (just have to get to them and do the membership thing), but if some not participating in IDNYC are doing EDL, I'm all about that!

I only saw one random reference above to museums, and had no idea what that referred to, or what you referred to. Seems like something might have been edited or deleted. I couldn't figure out how or why the NYC ID even had a place in this discussion, as it's a complete joke and waste of taxpayer money.

My apologies for derailing the convo here. Was talking with coworkers in nyc who fly and passed on bad information. I am incorrect with edl getting museum access...

 

[cjparker0110]

There is more than just 4-5 that are not in compliance with this act. However, MOST Of them have applied, and been approved, for an extension. However, there are a few that have not done so. Of those, they probably will not receive an extension either because one of the conditions of the extension is that they are currently working toward an acceptable ID. Personally, I think it is sad that 10 years after this has been made a law that most states have not created a proper ID. I live in MN which is not in compliance (nor does it have an extension). Our governor went out of his way to make sure we spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build a new stadium for the Vikings, but he has done nothing to insure that we can fly within our own country by having a compliant ID. Of course, he is also making sure that everyone in MN knows that they can leave if they feel we should accept refugees by the thousands into our state either. I just want to know how we can leave if our ID is not valid!

 

[btk2333]

It does happen. People forget their ID too (all the time) and can fly after an interview.

As long as you're not "high risk" as determined by racial profiling

 

[btk2333]

As a note, if you apply for Global Entry and get it, then that card will apply as acceptable ID. The bonus is that you get TSA Precheck with it, as well.

Tsa precheck and global entry are worth it- makes traveling so much easier

 

[TiffanyA]

I was born in the US. I emigrated to Canada when I was nine. Became a Canadian citizen at 15. When my US passport expired in 2000, I didn't bother renewing it because I'd never needed to show it while travelling between Canada and the US (or anywhere else in the world). Then, spring of last year, a guard at the border - road crossing - told me I should always declare myself as a US citizen when entering the country. He said it was the law. And this past November, I was flagged at the airport and told quite firmly that they would make an exception this once, but in future I could not continue using my Canadian passport to enter the US. The guard told me that I needed to have a valid US passport, because - apparently as far as the US is concerned - I'm not a Canadian citizen, I'm a US citizen.

I am also a citizen of multiple countries (US, Canada and Italy). What the guard told you is true. In the US you are considered a US citizen only and you are supposed to use your US passport to leave and enter.

http://travel.state.gov/content/tra...ip-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

Most U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States

Other countries do not have rules like this, Canada for instance. They've never cared which passport I use. Italy as well, but I always use my Italian passport there for convenience.

 

[Magpie]

I am also a citizen of multiple countries (US, Canada and Italy). What the guard told you is true. In the US you are considered a US citizen only and you are supposed to use your US passport to leave and enter.

http://travel.state.gov/content/tra...ip-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html


Other countries do not have rules like this, Canada for instance. They've never cared which passport I use. Italy as well, but I always use my Italian passport there for convenience.

Yep, I confirmed it when I got home.

I actually embarked on the (long and expensive) process of renouncing my American citizenship last fall, and this is one more reason to add to my list of why I'm doing this. When the renunciation process is finally completed, I will finally be 100 percent Canadian, everywhere in the world. In a funny way, this makes me feel like I'm finally completing the oath I took all those decades ago, when I became a Canadian citizen.

 

[TiffanyA]

I see! Good luck. I hear it is not easy to do. My American citizenship still holds enough value to me to hold on to it, but I can see how if you feel no ties to the country, that might not be the case.

 

[erionm]

The Real ID deadline has been push to January 2018.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/08/dhs-sets-2018-travel-deadline-real-id/78523112/

 

[bumbershoot]

The Real ID deadline has been push to January 2018.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/08/dhs-sets-2018-travel-deadline-real-id/78523112/

I'm so surprised!

Nahhh.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

The Real ID deadline has been push to January 2018.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/08/dhs-sets-2018-travel-deadline-real-id/78523112/

This article, like so many articles, isn't very well written. They appear to mention two deadlines for the same thing -- 1/22/2018 and 10/1/2020. The first date is actually the current deadline. The second date is the deadline IF a state gets a further extension.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

Here is some more perspective on the Real ID Act.

Papers Please

 

[MolonLabe]

Here is some more perspective on the Real ID Act.

Papers Please

Poignant.
From the article-

One might expect those dates and requirements to be spelled out in the U.S. Code or in regulations published in the Federal Register. But rulemaking by press release, Web posting, or Tweet has become the norm for the DHS as part of its enforcement of standardless, discretionary, and secret adminstrative “law”.

Personally I'm getting tired of un-elected bureaucrats making "law". The DHS isn't the only federal group guilty of doing this all the time. It's beyond insane that one idiot can post a tweet or issue a "memo" on their webpage and it boom, it's now a "law" that 280~ million people have to follow. It's lunacy. It's becoming impossible for a person to go about their daily lives without breaking or being in violation of some sort of "administrative" law.

Reminds me of this article from the WSJ a few years ago -

"Average American commits three felonies a day"
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842

I'd like to see what that number is today, probably up to 5 felonies a day... that doesn't even include all the misdemeanors

 

[Meriweather]

BFF just found out from her niece that she needed her passport at JFK with a WA license. Luckily she had it with her.

 

[Chimaera]

BFF just found out from her niece that she needed her passport at JFK with a WA license. Luckily she had it with her.

Why?? The TSA themselves states they'll continue to accept non REAL ID licenses as ID until January 22, 2018.

 

[Meriweather]

no idea.....just reporting what happened.
So BFF (with WA license) is taking her passport just in case. She isn't going to JFK though, just MCO