Open should mean open

It just sucks to get hungry at 8:30pm at HS, when they are open until 9, and have all but one place to eat shut down ... many of them as early as 5 or 6.

I don't buy that Disney shouldn't have to pay for extra staffing. If you pay to get into a park, they should pay to keep it open for the advertised hours. All of it.

The fine print always says that times and attractions are subject to change. I would rather Disney manage their bottom line by closing a few under- utilized restaurants and attractions than just shut the whole thing down earlier. Or raise the prices even more!

Would you really rather they close the Magic Kingdom down at say 7 pm then stay open and close down a few food kiosks? Not me!
 
I suppose I should have left out any mention of EMH since that is not really the debate I wanted to start. Although it's my personal opinion that everything should remain open for them also.

So ... excluding EMH and AK attractions (due to animals) open should mean open.

It just sucks to get hungry at 8:30pm at HS, when they are open until 9, and have all but one place to eat shut down ... many of them as early as 5 or 6.

I don't buy that Disney shouldn't have to pay for extra staffing. If you pay to get into a park, they should pay to keep it open for the advertised hours. All of it.
Understood. But if you owned a business and you knew that a couple of hours before closing your business dropped off to a point that you only needed two employees instead of the normal 12, would you continue to pay those additional ten employees to do nothing just so that the next patron coming in had twelve salespeople to choose from instead of just two?

If DHS closes at 9pm, it's Disney's job to get you out of there as close to 9:01pm as possible. They don't necessarily want every restaurant filling up at 8:45 or every shop still packed with patrons at 8:55. That's why the stuff that does stay open is on the way out. They're trying to close the park.

You can still get something to eat at 8:30; you're just limited as to your choices. If that means that you decide to leave a bit early to head over to Boardwalk or your resort to eat, Disney's okay with that. And if it means that you decide to leave early and go off-property to eat, Disney probably doesn't like that as much, but from a business and operations standpoint, it's better to be able to close on time than to have everything stay open until 9 just so that you have more options.

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I don't like that some rides and eateries close well before the park, especially during EMH. If a park is open, everything in that park should be open.
. . . there are not enough guests to justify all the rides
. . . plus, there is NO financial profit (food-souvenirs-etc) to WDW for EMH
. . . thus, as a business, why should they add more costs
. . . bunch o'bucks for manpower, electricity, etc

If Splash Mountain hadn't been "traded" for Tiki Room, I might agree with you.
. . . but, Tiki requires a lot less employees
. . . a lot less
. . . plus, people would stop riding at nights or in the cooler weather
 
They've never had every single thing in every park open during EMH. Even when you had to pay for EMH or its equivalent back then...they didn't have every single attraction/restaurant open.

When it was E-Ticket you paid 10 to 12 dollars and only a subset of rides were open. I think neither Splash or BTMR.
 

I disagree with the OP. everything open means more staff they have to pay, more food that probably would be wasted, etc. that ultimately would end up increasing park admission prices.

you don't have to go to EMH

I disagree with you, and agree with the OP.
 
I don't like that some rides and eateries close well before the park, especially during EMH.

If a park is open, everything in that park should be open.

What do you think?

Well, think about your house or apartment. Do you leave every single light on in that dwelling for hours after dinner even though you aren't using a particular room and won't for the rest of the night? So why should Disney keep everything open just "in case"?
 
With respect to EMH in particular, I sort of view that as bonus time anyway, so it doesn't really bother me -- particularly as long as the headliner attractions remain open. Now if they closed everything except for Country Bears, Tiki Room, Magic Carpets and Small World, I might be a little irked. :)

My understanding is the primary reason for EMH (morning or evening) at WDW--or at DLR, for that matter--is to give on-property guests a chance to bypass long midday attraction queues. So it makes sense that only attractions with long daytime waits would be open, and some dining and shops might be closed. (Though that doesn't make it any less annoying.) I read somewhere that once RFID/MagicBands/Fastpass+ is in place, EMH might be phased out, since the all-electronic ride reservation system should better manage capacity throughout the day.
 
:) I really miss evening EMH at AK. Nothing was really open except a few stores, EE, ITTBAB and a couple of others. The place was just magical and empty...we cherished those evenings in that park. I am just not that picky when it comes to Disney's operational decisions. I could sit on a bench and just watch and listen all day.

In fact I am willing to pay for extra hours in MK using our tickets for MNSSHP and MVMCP. Usually the other parks close early and I like staying out a little later and do not mind the fee.
 
When it was E-Ticket you paid 10 to 12 dollars and only a subset of rides were open. I think neither Splash or BTMR.

I know that Splash was open because my daughter and I spent 55 minutes of our time stuck on an incline in Splash in 1998.
 
Because Disney is a business and operate at a business. If you don't have the demand at a specific location after a certain then it makes no sense to keep that location open. You would not even be breaking even with your operational costs.
 
I could see a big issue arising if they kept every ride, every shop, every restaurant open during EMH that the CMs would have a much harder time shooing all of the non resort guests out of the park at closing. The fewer places and attractions open, the easier it is for the CMs to clear out the park so resort guest can enjoy EMH!:cool1:
 
I could see a big issue arising if they kept every ride, every shop, every restaurant open during EMH that the CMs would have a much harder time shooing all of the non resort guests out of the park at closing. The fewer places and attractions open, the easier it is for the CMs to clear out the park so resort guest can enjoy EMH!:cool1:

They don't shoo out the non resort guests. They would prefer they stay and spend money. Obviously they don't or they would keep stuff open.
 
Many people seem to just be explaining why they don't keep everything open. I completely understand the why.

Regardless of what a wise business decision it is to partially close, it doesn't change my opinion that they should give guests what they pay for ... the entire park for the entire duration of operating hours.

As a PP pointed out, EMH will likely be a thing of the past when bands are in use, so it's not really my main issue. But, a couple of points to that effect -

*EMH is NOT pixie dust as it's not a gift or surprise of any kind. It's part of what people pay a premium for to stay at WDW resorts.

*Day guests are not asked to leave during EMH, they just can't ride rides.

As to early closings on normal hour days -

It shouldn't happen. People pay to have access to the park for that day and that is what should be offered.

As far as being worried about Disney raising prices - They do it anyway. Every year. Consistently.
 
Guests do have access to the park during its open hours. They have full access to those parts that are open. Which is all that was ever promised.

I'm glad the company doesn't waste my admission dollars paying to keep open those parts of the park with little or no demand, which would result in costs being higher than they already are, with little or no benefit to almost all guests.

Back in the old days, anyone ever go to World Showcase at 9:45 in the morning? If so, you'll remember that it was a very good way to find a private moment.
 
I'd be more concerned about attractions closing early than eating places. For example, some of the Future World attractions close at 7:00pm. It used to be FW hours were 9 to 7, with more popular attractions staying open late. They changed it to 9 to 9 with some less popular attractions closing early. Doesn't look good. As long as there are some eating places open late, I don't see a big deal.
 
Actually, it's not a big deal. Certainly not a deal breaker for me or I wouldn't be there.

I just thought it would be interesting to hear others' take on it. It's obvious that most people don't care that the whole park doesn't stay open, which makes it even more of a good decision for Disney's bottom line.

The responses are surprising to me. I suppose years ago I wouldn't have given it a second thought either. Now that I live here and go all the time, more of the little things stand out to me.
 
They don't shoo out the non resort guests. They would prefer they stay and spend money. Obviously they don't or they would keep stuff open.

Out of curiosity, how *does* EMH at night work. I mean, it's only for resort guests but obviously they can't clear non-resort guests out of the park, so aside from not letting more in, is there anything preventing non-resort guests from enjoying EMH? Do they check your room key in the queues?
 
I suppose I should have left out any mention of EMH since that is not really the debate I wanted to start. Although it's my personal opinion that everything should remain open for them also.

So ... excluding EMH and AK attractions (due to animals) open should mean open.

It just sucks to get hungry at 8:30pm at HS, when they are open until 9, and have all but one place to eat shut down ... many of them as early as 5 or 6.

I don't buy that Disney shouldn't have to pay for extra staffing. If you pay to get into a park, they should pay to keep it open for the advertised hours. All of it.

DHS is kind of ridiculous in the evening. During our recent trip, I had to make a point of getting to Starring Rolls for a cupcake, because we take breaks every day, and I knew we likely wouldn't be back by the 4pm closing time.
I had to strategically plan my day around that cupcake.

One of the trips before that, I had to wander around from CS to CS trying to find somewhere that was open and sold something I actually wouldn't mind eating.

The fine print always says that times and attractions are subject to change. I would rather Disney manage their bottom line by closing a few under- utilized restaurants and attractions than just shut the whole thing down earlier. Or raise the prices even more!

Would you really rather they close the Magic Kingdom down at say 7 pm then stay open and close down a few food kiosks? Not me!

That's probably the point.

Many people seem to just be explaining why they don't keep everything open. I completely understand the why.

Regardless of what a wise business decision it is to partially close, it doesn't change my opinion that they should give guests what they pay for ... the entire park for the entire duration of operating hours.

As a PP pointed out, EMH will likely be a thing of the past when bands are in use, so it's not really my main issue. But, a couple of points to that effect -

*EMH is NOT pixie dust as it's not a gift or surprise of any kind. It's part of what people pay a premium for to stay at WDW resorts.

*Day guests are not asked to leave during EMH, they just can't ride rides.

As to early closings on normal hour days -

It shouldn't happen. People pay to have access to the park for that day and that is what should be offered.

As far as being worried about Disney raising prices - They do it anyway. Every year. Consistently.

The why is very important. You can't say that someone should do something without expressing the why.

"Should" is relative.
In some cases, they can't keep attractions open without severely inhibiting a guest's total experience. The attractions already break down fairly frequently. I don't think I've ever ridden the Haunted Mansion all the way through without stopping. I got painstakingly close during my last trip... I mean...."Hurrrry baaack" close.

With your logic, they should be open the same hours every day of the year, because everyone pays the same admission price, even though certain weeks are more crowded than others justifying the extended hours.

I think they're fairly good at advertising closures and such beforehand. It's just a matter of finding the information early enough for it to be useful.

People really SHOULD research their vacations, since they're spending so much money on them. That doesn't mean that they do.
 
I'll have to admit I never noticed things closed early. For example, I don't think I ever tried to get food at DHS at 8:30. That does seem a little silly to be open until 9 but to close some things early. I can tell you Main Street Bakery stays open, because one time we ate dinner there at 11:30PM :rotfl2:
 


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