Once Upon A Time

[KrazyPete]

One more observation from Ep 4 that I forgot to post:

Rumple was basically fencing stolen goods for Jiminy. Interesting that he runs Storybrooke's pawn shop.

 

[iheartdisney]

One more observation from Ep 4 that I forgot to post:

Rumple was basically fencing stolen goods for Jiminy. Interesting that he runs Storybrooke's pawn shop.

One thing odd from that scene... Jiminey also had to give him the names of the people he swiped from. Was Rumplestilskin controlling everyone way back then? The mind is boggled!!

 

[LKFan]

I get the strong impression too that Regina and Mr. Gold go a long ways back and have quite the history together. Their animosity towards each other (while pretending to be civil - they seem to "dance" around each other) is very hostile. Seems pretty clear they've been enemies for a long time. I'm dying to know their prior relationship.

And the windmill that has been in Mr. Gold's shop "forever" seems to have some sort of link to their past.

 

[LKFan]

I thought that way in the beginning too but he's much too important of a character at this point. He must have some motivation.

We know why he went after the dagger and killed Zoso. He wanted to save his son from the Ogre war but he also had something to prove personally. He was tired of being the town coward.

Once he had the power he became the extreme opposite of town coward. The soldier, Hordor, didn't recognize him at first. Even his son looked at him as if he wasn't sure it was his father.

So is this where Rumpel learns that all magic comes with a price? "Ultimate Power" must be pretty costly.

"That's the thing about children. Before you know it... you lose them."

Maybe that's why Baelfire isn't in Storybrooke.

Assuming he's gotten over his "town coward" revengeful rage, what motivates Rumpel now? I wonder where the dagger is. What if someone else took it? Maybe the curse caused the its owner to forget who they are. It would give Mr. Gold 28 years to retrieve the dagger. Once he had back in his possession he would help the "Savior" to end the curse sending him back to Fantasyland with the power back under his own control.

He lost his son because magic came with a price - his son.

I'm convinced he was either digging up or burying the sword when the sheriff caught him "gardening" in the forest. This works with your theory. If Graham was starting to see his other life, Rumple might have gone after the sword.

 

[Amy]

That is what bugs me. Rumpel in essence gave instructions to the Queen on how to enact the curse knowing full well that the curse could be broken and how. He has then since been orchestrating things in order to bring about the end of the curse. Why? He helped her with the curse for a reason so he must want something from it or, more likely, from her (hence the "please" portion of the agreement).

I get the strong impression too that Regina and Mr. Gold go a long ways back and have quite the history together. Their animosity towards each other (while pretending to be civil - they seem to "dance" around each other) is very hostile. Seems pretty clear they've been enemies for a long time. I'm dying to know their prior relationship.

I'm thinking he didn't "quite" lie, but meant "she is dead" figuratively. The woman he once knew and loved is "dead" replaced by a woman who is a little more "evil" perhaps, lol.

The more I think about Regina being his wife the more I like it.... even though he told the boy his mother was dead... she was, she became something else entirely. Maybe she confided in Snow that her husband was the one that caused the turn in the ogre war and Snow told the King....

So is this where Rumpel learns that all magic comes with a price? "Ultimate Power" must be pretty costly.

"That's the thing about children. Before you know it... you lose them."

Maybe that's why Baelfire isn't in Storybrooke.

Assuming he's gotten over his "town coward" revengeful rage, what motivates Rumpel now? I wonder where the dagger is. What if someone else took it? Maybe the curse caused the its owner to forget who they are. It would give Mr. Gold 28 years to retrieve the dagger. Once he had back in his possession he would help the "Savior" to end the curse sending him back to Fantasyland with the power back under his own control.

Ok, here's my theory, sparked by Mermaid02 - EQ is/was Rumpel's wife. At some point, EQ started to view Rumpel as a coward, she learned about magic, got some powers, and they split. (This is only season 1, so there's a lot of back story they need to reveal to us.) Rumpel still loves her, and wants to "save" her from her evil powers. Hence, she's only "dead" metaphorically, not physically.

Rumpel saw his chance to gain some power by getting the Dark Lord's sword, but unfortunately he wasn't prepared for how it would change him. After some time (maybe while he was locked up in jail in Fairy Tale Land), he managed to learn to control his power. EQ knew about Rumpel's power and asked him for the curse. He gave EQ the curse, hoping that she'd find out on her own that using power for evil was wrong. (Needing the heart of a loved one - maybe Rumpel hoped that EQ would NOT take her father's heart, but she did.) Rumpel figured that if EQ enacted the curse and changed everyone's lives that she'd realize the "error of her ways" and they'd be reunited. Love conquers all, they lived happily ever after, etc., etc.

Yeah, I know it sounds kind of crazy, but parts of that theory make sense. At least to me they do!

 

[wdwmom0f3]

Ok, here's my theory, sparked by Mermaid02 - EQ is/was Rumpel's wife. At some point, EQ started to view Rumpel as a coward, she learned about magic, got some powers, and they split. (This is only season 1, so there's a lot of back story they need to reveal to us.) Rumpel still loves her, and wants to "save" her from her evil powers. Hence, she's only "dead" metaphorically, not physically.

Rumpel saw his chance to gain some power by getting the Dark Lord's sword, but unfortunately he wasn't prepared for how it would change him. After some time (maybe while he was locked up in jail in Fairy Tale Land), he managed to learn to control his power. EQ knew about Rumpel's power and asked him for the curse. He gave EQ the curse, hoping that she'd find out on her own that using power for evil was wrong. (Needing the heart of a loved one - maybe Rumpel hoped that EQ would NOT take her father's heart, but she did.) Rumpel figured that if EQ enacted the curse and changed everyone's lives that she'd realize the "error of her ways" and they'd be reunited. Love conquers all, they lived happily ever after, etc., etc.

Yeah, I know it sounds kind of crazy, but parts of that theory make sense. At least to me they do!

Interesting..... but where is his son? Could that be who she is referring to when she said that she has lost the love of her life?

 

[LKFan]

Ok, here's my theory, sparked by Mermaid02 - EQ is/was Rumpel's wife. At some point, EQ started to view Rumpel as a coward, she learned about magic, got some powers, and they split. (This is only season 1, so there's a lot of back story they need to reveal to us.) Rumpel still loves her, and wants to "save" her from her evil powers. Hence, she's only "dead" metaphorically, not physically.

Rumpel saw his chance to gain some power by getting the Dark Lord's sword, but unfortunately he wasn't prepared for how it would change him. After some time (maybe while he was locked up in jail in Fairy Tale Land), he managed to learn to control his power. EQ knew about Rumpel's power and asked him for the curse. He gave EQ the curse, hoping that she'd find out on her own that using power for evil was wrong. (Needing the heart of a loved one - maybe Rumpel hoped that EQ would NOT take her father's heart, but she did.) Rumpel figured that if EQ enacted the curse and changed everyone's lives that she'd realize the "error of her ways" and they'd be reunited. Love conquers all, they lived happily ever after, etc., etc.

Yeah, I know it sounds kind of crazy, but parts of that theory make sense. At least to me they do!

So... she left Rumple and her baby? If they boy doesn't remember anything about his mother, she would have left when the boy was young. If he is the EQ's son, what powers does he possess?

I'm wondering if the EQ was the miller's daughter she may have married the king but fell in love with Rumple. At that time, she didn't have any powers. Could she have taken the sword from Rumple (and now her name is on the sword) and transfer the curse from him to her? That would make her have power and not him (at least in Storybrook times). There was a point, it seems, in Fairytale times, when both Rumple and EQ had powers so I'm not exactly sure if this theory holds.

EQ didn't kill the Rumple (now "the dark one") for complete transfer of power. What did they say would happen Rumple took the sword but didn't kill the dark one? Wouldn't the dark one be under Rumple's command? If so and the EQ took the sword but didn't kill Rumple, then he would be under her command.

If her name is on the sword, the power is a curse and the only way it can be broken is by Emma then could Mr. Gold wants the sword hidden from Regina so that Emma can break the curse "once and for all."

 

[wdwiala]

Perhaps the king has the evil power under his control and the EQ knew it. Maybe she told SW and SW told the secret, getting the king killed? O

 

[KrazyPete]

So... she left Rumple and her baby?

That kills the theory that the boy is the "love of her life" doesn't it?

If he is the EQ's son, what powers does he possess?

FWIW, I don't think the Evil Queen is a magical being. She's human. Snow called her a "witch." She acquires magic from other places, it doesn't originate in her. The sleeping spell came from Maleficent, "The Curse" came from Rumpel. I don't believe she has magical attributes that would be passed to a child just by nature.

 

[LKFan]

FWIW, I don't think the Evil Queen is a magical being. She's human. Snow called her a "witch." She acquires magic from other places, it doesn't originate in her. The sleeping spell came from Maleficent, "The Curse" came from Rumpel. I don't believe she has magical attributes that would be passed to a child just by nature.

Good point. I loved the scene with the EQ and Maleficent where the EQ was mad because the sleeping spell from Maleficent was so weak that it could be broken by a kiss. Classic!

 

[punkin]

I just saw the rumple episode. I loved it!p

 

[LKFan]

Lana Parrilla tweeted that she will be on both the View and Live with Kelly this Friday.

 

[Nyteacherbelle]

I've been lurking, and am fascinated by all of these theories! I'm not sure it's possible for Regina to be both the Miller's daughter AND Rumpel's former love. This boy was born BEFORE his father acquired magical powers. Even if she, as the millers daughter was reunited with rumpel years later when he appeared to son straw into gold, she would've known his name, which defeatsthe purpose of his little name game.

Now what I'm wondering, is how, if teenaged jiminy met school aged gepetto, how is gepetto an old man compared to a middle aged jiminy in storybrooke? Unless he didn't age as a cricket...

 

[Mermaid02]

I've been lurking, and am fascinated by all of these theories! I'm not sure it's possible for Regina to be both the Miller's daughter AND Rumpel's former love. This boy was born BEFORE his father acquired magical powers. Even if she, as the millers daughter was reunited with rumpel years later when he appeared to son straw into gold, she would've known his name, which defeatsthe purpose of his little name game.

Now what I'm wondering, is how, if teenaged jiminy met school aged gepetto, how is gepetto an old man compared to a middle aged jiminy in storybrooke? Unless he didn't age as a cricket...

The Blue Fairy hinted at him not aging saying he would live as long as "the boy" needed him...

 

[beattyfamily]

Lana Parrilla tweeted that she will be on both the View and Live with Kelly this Friday.

Yeah! I set Kelly to record but The View says its a salute to One Life to Live.

Maybe she's recording The View on Friday to be aired another day??

 

[LKFan]

Yeah! I set Kelly to record but The View says its a salute to One Life to Live.

Maybe she's recording The View on Friday to be aired another day??

Okay, she actually tweeted that she was heading to NY to be on "The Chew" and Live with Kelly. I assumed she meant "The View." Could there be another show that she was talking about? Here is her twitter acct: https://twitter.com/#!/LanaParrilla

 

[punkin]

I have decided that the fairy tale world is horrible and that storybrooke is much nicer. Ogre wars, child stealing, blackmail, evil monarchs, forced marriages...I think if I was a fairy tale character, I'd rather stay in Maine.

 

[msjprincess]

Okay, she actually tweeted that she was heading to NY to be on "The Chew" and Live with Kelly. I assumed she meant "The View." Could there be another show that she was talking about? Here is her twitter acct: https://twitter.com/#!/LanaParrilla

I'm confused. Why would you assume she meant The View if she said The Chew?

ETA
I just checked the schedule and she is on The Chew on Friday

 

[Zandy595]

Okay, she actually tweeted that she was heading to NY to be on "The Chew" and Live with Kelly. I assumed she meant "The View." Could there be another show that she was talking about? Here is her twitter acct: https://twitter.com/#!/LanaParrilla

I watch The Chew everyday. Love it! It's on ABC at 1pm here. It's mostly a cooking show, but they do occasionally have guests who aren't known for cooking.

 

[beattyfamily]

I'm confused. Why would you assume she meant The View if she said The Chew?

ETA
I just checked the schedule and she is on The Chew on Friday

Well, I would have thought the same thing! I've never heard of "The Chew" so I would just think it was a typo.