Omg I Got My Flips Back!!!!!!

[BriarRosie]

In VMK however, this ties in with the other VERY VERY VERY important lesson that must be remembered: In most cases, you don't know the person on the other side of the screen, no matter how many games of ghosts or pirates you have played together over the last year.

There are many life lessons to be learned from VMK. I personally do not think that if you click "ok, it's a gift" 3 times, getting your items back should be 1 of them. That is not a scam. That is an agreement. And getting it back is not the way life works.
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There is someone in VMK that at this very moment has a very valuable item of mine that I would not be able to trade for if I were to ever lose it. Do we have an agreement between the 2 of us? Of course!

BUT... Do I realize that this person COULD decide tomorrow that our agreement and friendship means absolutely nothing and delete me or trade my valuable item away for his/her own benefit? Yes. If this happens, have I been scammed? Yes. Should it be replaced? No. According to the terms of VMK, this person has a new item and I have clicked that I understand it is a gift. Any agreement outside of that is NOT VMK's responsibility, but my own.

Oh I totally disagree with this. How can you chalk it off as a "gift" if you
and the other player made perfectly clear it was a loan? If the other
person runs off with your item, I'd say you'd have every right to be totally
ticked off and get your item back.

Currently, I know that Mal isn't the only player that had her trust broken
with inferno. I know others who thought they had enough trust built to
loan an item....now gone forever.

And I also know a player who loaned inferno to someone currently, both
friends of mine. If the second player doesn't return it when asked, I would immediately remove that friend from my list, never talking to Player 2
ever again.

I feel strongly enough that it speaks about personal ethics. If one can't be
trusted with "virtual" stuff, I wouldn't trust him/her with real things. And I
certainly wouldn't want to associate with him/her.

 

[BriarRosie]

Glad you got your flips back Rise, but wow this saddens me because a good friend of mine let a friend borrow stitch and sparrow for a picture and had it taken. Everyone wrote and still nothing has been returned.
Then look at Mal, she got her inferno stolen the same way and yet she didn't get hers returned.
So personally I think vmk staff needs to stop playing favorite and if they are going to return items to some ppl they need to be fair and return them to all.

Bingo. I think that's pretty much what I tried to convey in my message,
and WebmasterKelsie did, too. Whether it's phrased as a "double standard"
or "precedent", it all boils down the the same thing:

Equal treatment for all.

Granted, it's a touchy subject, but it can bite them in the backside if they
don't address this.

 

[Laurabearz]

As someone who LOANED out an inferno to a kid DISer and let both that kid and the MOTHER know it was an agreed upon loan then BOTH turning their backs on me and LYING about the fact that is was indeed a loan, yeah your right... VMK should not give me back my inferno... but I sure would lilke everyone here to know who did it to me, but then again, HUGE warnings about well know DISers that screw people are not taken seriously here either.

 

[smiley76]

Oh I totally disagree with this. How can you chalk it off as a "gift" if you
and the other player made perfectly clear it was a loan?

Word for word from the trade screen:

Are you sure you want to accept this trade? The other player hasn't offered you anything so this would be a donation rather than a swap. [Click OK or CANCEL]

Do you accept this trade [Click OK or CANCEL]​

If you go to the bank for a loan and the banker who you happen to know says "I know the interest rate on these papers says 7% but I promise it is really 3% - please intial here, here, and here". Would you sign it? Well if you do and the bank sends you a bill reflecting the 7% it's really your own fault and you can't get mad. Chalk it up to a lesson learned.

Please remember that on the internet you can pretend to be whoever you want and a "friend" online could be someone who wouldn't even consider talking to IRL. You don't really KNOW these ppl is all i'm trying to say

I have a few friends on VMK with inferno. I would never DREAM of asking them to borrow it. I can't imagine why so many ppl want to take pictures with items that don't belong to them. Wait until you earn it - I promise you'll enjoy it more.

 

[disvaclub92]

The unfortunate fact here is that we think we make friends with "trusted people" only to find out in fact they are fake and liars.

I know a few good people who have loaned people stuff and it was clear it was a loan. Yet these people alter the story and say it is not. Now these people walk around VMK like they are trustworthy individuals when I know and my friend knows the true story. This has happened too numerous times. When I started VMK, it was the people that made me come back. I made awesome friends. There are a few people that no doubt I would let them wear my inferno for a picture. But when you get a feeling in your gut about certain people, you should stop and go with your gut. No matter how much talk and how they are considered beloved from others - they are scam artists out to get your stuff.

Riser - nothing against you, but what they did to benefit you only puts a sorespot for others who never got their items returned.

No what infuriates me is why this item is returned yet others are not. That strikes favoritism. I know that there is not alot of staff to handle this, but you set precident for one do it for others. I occassionally see staff in staff games. If I had an item stolen or a loan not returned, I would be forced to follow the path of the black hole. Not chase staff around, because their job is to moderate not to help when a trade goes bad. But since they did in this case, they should do it for all. A friend of mine was scammed big time. We wrote several times and got there is nothing you can do you accepted the trade. Explain to me how this is different.

My point is here - they should have thought before they acted. It was generous to do, but what example are you setting now.

 

[bytheblood]

Omg I Got My Flips Back!!!!!!

So does this mean you are doing back flips?

 

[Disney Dreams]

Oh I totally disagree with this. How can you chalk it off as a "gift" if you and the other player made perfectly clear it was a loan? If the other person runs off with your item, I'd say you'd have every right to be totally ticked off and get your item back....

I did not say you should "chalk it up as a gift." That was EXACTLY my point. According to VMK it's a gift, but you and your friend have an understanding that it is whatever was agreed upon. You do NOT chalk it up as a gift, but you HAVE to accept the fact that is COULD be gone forever if you were wrong about the person.

I feel strongly enough that it speaks about personal ethics. If one can't be trusted with "virtual" stuff, I wouldn't trust him/her with real things. And I certainly wouldn't want to associate with him/her.

100% agree.

 

[Laurabearz]

So does this mean you are doing back flips?

rofl... I know I would. And Riser... I am really very happy you got the flips back. It's just as you can see, so many others have been scammed and NOT helped it doesnt seem all that fair. Either help everyone, or help no one.

 

[SorcererDonald16]

Riser, I'm happy for you that you got your green flips back and hope that you do not find yourself in a similar situation again.

That said, I agree with those who said this sets a precedent/shows favoritism. Players like Mal do not get their item back, nor does the scammer get banned apparently, but others have the items hand delivered by staff? I think what Lily did was very kind and sweet, and by no means am I saying blame anything on her. I hope no one is upset with her because of this because she was just being the helpful and nice person I have always seen her to be. But something has GOT to be done about the way this game is moderated and the application of the rules. One person should not get total opposite treatment of someone else. I know, I know, life isn't fair so why should a virtual game be fair. That may be true, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't speak up and say something when we see something wrong and unfair occuring. Some people cuss using dictionary dances and the reporting person gets the warning, whereas in other cases the offending people get banned/a warning. It's aggravating and bordering on insane.

Consistency. Simple consistency. Goes a long way to running an effective and enjoyable game, and anything else in life. Start applying the rules differently for different people, and that does not bode well at all for the game or anyone in it.

 

[Berry Princess]

As someone who LOANED out an inferno to a kid DISer and let both that kid and the MOTHER know it was an agreed upon loan then BOTH turning their backs on me and LYING about the fact that is was indeed a loan, yeah your right... VMK should not give me back my inferno... but I sure would lilke everyone here to know who did it to me, but then again, HUGE warnings about well know DISers that screw people are not taken seriously here either.

I actually like to know who is trying to scam those out of items. I would hope that if I was to reply or have someone ever reply about trading things and it was someone that people here knew was a scammer that they would pm me and warn me. Yes thre are those that might not listen but as has been said you usually can get a gut feeling about things.
And its nice that you got your item back but really if its done for one it needs to be done for the rest. I just imagine the kids that ended up broken hearted and crying cause of some scammer and they never see the item(s) back. Someone does need to be changed though. Find a way to hire more staff to watch this stuff more closely.

 

[Laurabearz]

And its nice that you got your item back but really if its done for one it needs to be done for the rest. I just imagine the kids that ended up broken hearted and crying cause of some scammer and they never see the item(s) back. Someone does need to be changed though. Find a way to hire more staff to watch this stuff more closely.

Just to be clear I did not get my items back. I am having lies told about me, I am sure, but not the inferno back.

Unless you were refering to riser... but you had quoted me so just making sure... lol

And we are not allow to post the names of people who shouldn't be trusted, but I have never refused to answer a PM, as do most people who are in similar situations.

 

[AmberDaze]

Well, I am on the other side of the fence. My kid was gifted something last year by someone we thought of as a friend (I was not in view of the screen at that moment), but all I remember from that time, because it was so long ago, was that my kid was so very happy!

I then thanked this person in a post on dis forums. I also went out of my way to help this person out of VMK a couple of months later, by handing in more than 25 of their WDW holiday quest items.

Then, out of the blue just few months ago, I was removed from this person's friend's list, as were many of my friends.

I was so hurt because there was no reason that I could see why this friend would delete us. After a month of not talking to this person, my kid decided to trade her gift and then a month later the gifter asked for the item back.

Many of you know I am not much of a trader, and when asked if I had an item to trade, I will usually just gift it, asking for nothing in return. That's just the way I am. But my kid and I are now being accused of scamming this person out of the gift they gave last year...a gift that was given by their choice...without any of us ever asking for it, nor implying we ever wanted it. Now I wish my kid would have never taken it.

What is one to do in a case like this? I have never badmouthed anyone, ever...nor have I done anything wrong... Nor has my kid. My friends know who I am, and what I'm about. And I just wanted everyone to know that if they hear anything about me, I would hope they contact me first to get my side of the story. I am sorry for all of you who have been truly scammed. But to accuse innocent people...that's just not right, and it hurts people.

 

[flowergirlbecca]

I consider A Days and her daughter Monkey to be two of my very good VMK friends. I trust them more then many of the people on my friends list because they are two of the kindest, most giving people I have ever met in this virtual world. They are both selfless, benevolent people, who think of others before themselves. I know they have shared their generosity with most, if not all, of you on this board (Just look at the RAOK thread). They have helped me out in numerous occasions, including when I miss out on host pins or run out of funds building a room. Their friendships to me are invaluable (and I trust them with all my heart), which makes it hard for me to believe that they would ever steal.

 

[Berry Princess]

Just to be clear I did not get my items back. I am having lies told about me, I am sure, but not the inferno back.

Unless you were refering to riser... but you had quoted me so just making sure... lol

And we are not allow to post the names of people who shouldn't be trusted, but I have never refused to answer a PM, as do most people who are in similar situations.

LOL Sorry about that. The one part was in response to your post but the other part was about Riser. And I know names can't be posted but I would hope a PM would be sent to let whoever know is a scammer if they were trying to trade with me and it was noticed by someone that knows the person is scamming. So far since I don't really trade I don't worry about it.

 

[SkippyPaul]

As someone who LOANED out an inferno to a kid DISer and let both that kid and the MOTHER know it was an agreed upon loan then BOTH turning their backs on me and LYING about the fact that is was indeed a loan, yeah your right... VMK should not give me back my inferno... but I sure would lilke everyone here to know who did it to me, but then again, HUGE warnings about well know DISers that screw people are not taken seriously here either.

I know this is way off topic. But I realize the boards needs guidelines, and with just reasons. People may be hurt in a game of virtual mud flinging. BUT on the other hand, I'm sure we all have that "omg I cant believe a fellow dis did this to me" horror story. Question is......why can we not out these ppl? Mix up a batch of tar and feathers. Hmm maybe this is why I'm not a moderator lol.

Fact is, your right Bears. The ones that hurt the most here are the ones that are seen more in the public eye.

Makes ya wonder huh?

 

[Ms.Squeakers]

hehehe!! that was on my birthday!

WOW THAT WAS A DAY BEFORE MY BIRTHDAY!!!! GLAD TO KNOW THERE ARE SOME APRIL BIRTHDAYS ON DISBOARDS!

 

[silvrstrfx]

I know this is way off topic. But I realize the boards needs guidelines, and with just reasons. People may be hurt in a game of virtual mud flinging. BUT on the other hand, I'm sure we all have that "omg I cant believe a fellow dis did this to me" horror story. Question is......why can we not out these ppl? Mix up a batch of tar and feathers. Hmm maybe this is why I'm not a moderator lol.

Fact is, your right Bears. The ones that hurt the most here are the ones that are seen more in the public eye.

Makes ya wonder huh?

I hate to see any sort of injustice done to the members of this board, but at the same time when someone is "outing" someone --- don't we end up solely taking their side? Who's to say that the other person isn't actually in the right, but chooses to remain quiet because they don't feel the need to use this board as a personal sounding board for their grievances or to bother other members' with what should really be a private matter. And after seeing that this board supports this person blindly, who would want to post that they are the one who has been done injustice to? I have been fooled by some members on this board who ranted badly about others and would have remained fooled if it were not for the wisdom of others who reminded me to listen to BOTH sides of the story and to decide for myself, rather than blindly listening to one side.

As for my dear friend, Days, I am truly disgusted by this person who dares to accuse you of stealing. The sad truth is that this person --- a prominent DIS member, too --- has a history of behaving poorly to other DIS members after using them to their advantage. You are one of the most generous and kindest DIS'ers I know (the RAOK thread speaks for itself) and I know that the person who accuses you has been treated to your kindness many times. You even went out of your way to help them in real life! That is above and beyond most vmk friendships. It truly angers me that you have done so much for this person and they repay you with this snide treachery. While we can talk about them behind their backs as they are undoubtedly doing for you and about others, the sad fact is that we didn't believe other good friends' warnings that this person could be that horrible (after all, we considered them our good friend didn't we?) until we saw for ourselves their maliciousness and others will have to learn for themselves the hard way, too.

So dear DIS'ers, please, please consider that there are always two sides to the story. And the one you may see on this boards or the person with the biggest voice may not be the right one. I don't like to make posts like these --- I truly hate to clutter up the board with bad posts --- but I am so tired of seeing this person spread lies on the board to our fellow members. Maybe there just shouldn't be any of these kind of posts at all in the future.

 

[Maleficent2]

Ok I think this thread has gone far enough off topic to just have out lived it usefulness and personal issues between all parties need to remain just that personal and off the boards.