Number Dvc Members by Home Resort?

[BobH]

Does anyone know where to find a breakdown of how many total DVC members there are and a breakdown by resort? Thanks.

 

[supersnoop]

What are you trying to determine? I suppose you could search through the county records to figure out how many people own contracts at each resort, but that doesn't seem like very valuable information to me.

Rather, this breakdown of total points per resort provides some great information:
http://dvcnews.com/index.php/dvc-program/owning-dvc/1557-distribution-of-dvc-points-by-use-year

 

[BobH]

Thanks guys. I have been an OKW member since 2000. I was just trying to get a sense of the size of the size of the DVC. It seems over the years reservation have been getting tougher to get at the 7 month window, and since my first trip to WDW way back in 1976 the crowds and the number of resorts seem to have increased incredibly while the number of parks has not increased enough to comfortably handle the same crowds (in my opinion.)

 

[disneynutz]

Thanks guys. I have been an OKW member since 2000. I was just trying to get a sense of the size of the size of the DVC. It seems over the years reservation have been getting tougher to get at the 7 month window, and since my first trip to WDW way back in 1976 the crowds and the number of resorts seem to have increased incredibly while the number of parks has not increased enough to comfortably handle the same crowds (in my opinion.)

IMO DVC 0wners who buy at non-WDW resorts often book at WDW adding to the 7 month competition. Several new Aulani owners have posted in the last few months that they didn't know that WDW resorts were still for sale.

 

[drusba]

There is a way to to get an approximate membership count annually from the annual budget, but it gives you total number of members per resort not total number of separate memberships, i.e., it counts two if two people are on one membership such as a husband and wife. You also get some double counting because for each resort it counts all members including those from other resorts who have added on at the particular resort, and it treats each membership number separately so if someone has two use years they will be double counted.

Go to this DVC Mike page in the DVC Information Center: http://www.disboards.com/threads/the-dvc-annual-dues-information-thread.3452796/#post-54526047 Go to the fourth post on that page and look at the second red box under 2015 Cost Components. The line to review is the "DVC Reservation Component" for which there is a total dollar figure given for each resort. The DVC Reservation Component is a charge that equals $1 per club member per year for those who own at the resort. Thus, for example, it shows a total charge for AKV of $45,268, meaning there are that many members who own at AKV subject to the caveats above.

The number sometimes found in a POS, as mentioned above, counts each membership as one and thus a husband and wife on the same membership equal only one.

 

[disneynutz]

So we pay a dollar per member to Disney for the ability to use our points at locations other than DVC resorts. Do resale buyers who can't book other than RCI pay this fee?

 

[drusba]

So we pay a dollar per member to Disney for the ability to use our points at locations other than DVC resorts. Do resale buyers who can't book other than RCI pay this fee?

It is complicated determining the sources of funding for MS reservations. There are two Disney entites involved with MS and its reservation systems, which are different on paper rather than reality since the employees are the same. One is the Disney Vacation Club Management Co. (DVCMC) which is charged with running each of the resorts. It is also charged with handling all reservations of members reserving their home resort. The other entity is the Buena Vista Trading Co. (BVTC) which is charged with handling all trade outs and included in that are all reservations by members of DVC resorts other than their own.

As to everything involving DVC reservations, there are four sources of funding and, under the documents, they can be the only sources of funding:

1. The DVC Reservation Component which is $1 per member per year and offically goes to BVTC in relation to reservations by members of DVC resorts other than their own.

2. Most of the breakage income (rental income for rooms open 60 days or less out). As to any DVC resort, breakage income goes first to offset annual dues up to 2.5% of the annual budget (excluding certain items like property taxes). The amount that is above that 2.5% goes to BVTC up to a maximum of its annual costs plus 5% of the total of annual costs. Thereafter, all breakage income above that goes to DVCMC.

3. A management fee payable to DVCMC of 12% of the annual budget before that management fee is is included in the budget (again excluding certain items like property taxes). That 12% cannot be changed to a higher (or lower) percentage.

4. Trade outs for non-DVC reservations, which are officially handled by BVTC, can have separate transaction fees that can change (currently $95).

So the answer to your question is no, members are not paying that $1 fee for RCI or Disney Collection reservations. Moreover, the dues you pay that relate to MS operations do not depend on MS's actual costs. I have seen many a time when members on this board caution against members over-using MS (such as to do walking) because it will raise our dues when in reality it won't raise our dues at all because the sources of funding do not depend on how much we use MS.

 

[disneynutz]

It is complicated determining the sources of funding for MS reservations. There are two Disney entites involved with MS and its reservation systems, which are different on paper rather than reality since the employees are the same. One is the Disney Vacation Club Management Co. (DVCMC) which is charged with running each of the resorts. Is also charged with handling all reservations of members reserving their home resort. The other entity is the Buena Vista Trading Co. (BVTC) which is charged with handling all trade outs and included in that are all reservations by members of DVC resorts other than their own.

As to everything involving DVC reservations, there are four sources of funding and, under the documents, they can be the only sources of funding:

1. The DVC Reservation Component which is $1 per member per year and offically goes to BVTC in relation to reservations by members of DVC resorts other than their own.

2. Most of the breakage income (rental income for rooms open 60 days or less out). As to any DVC resort, breakage income goes first to offset annual dues up to 2.5% of the annual budget (excluding certain items like property taxes). The amount that is above that 2.5% goes to BVTC up to a maximum of its annual costs plus 5% of the total of annual costs. Thereafter, all breakage income above that goes to DVCMC.

3. A management fee payable to DVCMC of 12% of the annual budget before that management fee is is included in the budget (again excluding certain items like property taxes). That 12% cannot be changed to a higher (or lower) percentage.

4. Trade outs for non-DVC reservations, which are officially handled by BVTC, can have separate transaction fees that can change (currently $95).

So the answer to your question is no, members are not paying that $1 fee for RCI or Disney Collection reservations. Moreover, the dues you pay that relate to MS operations do not depend on MS's actual costs. I have seen many a time when members on this board caution against members over-using MS (such as to do walking) because it will raise our dues when in reality it won't raise our dues at all because the sources of funding do not depend on how much we use MS.

Thanks, clearly you have a handle on the running of the DVC and numbers. I am interested in what we pay and how much Disney is making from us. They collect 12% but nothing causes them to add CM's to answer phones and if they keep CM's to a minimum, they pocket the savings, is that correct?

 

[drusba]

Thanks, clearly you have a handle on the running of the DVC and numbers. I am interested in what we pay and how much Disney is making from us. They collect 12% but nothing causes them to add CM's to answer phones and if they keep CM's to a minimum, they pocket the savings, is that correct?

Exactly, although the 12% also covers costs of overal management of the resorts. Disney's providing marginal MS services, like not enough people to answer the phones, are the result of Disney's cutting costs to increase its income, not to save us from higher dues. It does have the general obligation to act in the best interests of the members, but there is a lot of leeway as to what Disney can do when your only argument is best interests of the members.